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CaroGirl

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I have 4 sex scenes in my 60,000(ish)-word contemporary novel. Two lesbian sex scenes, and two man/woman sex scenes (all including my MC). Is that too much sex, or does it just depend on how I handle the scenes? They aren't overly erotic, explicit or steamy. They're there to advance the plot and define the characters involved.

How many sex scenes do you have in your novel, if any? Per how many words/pages?

Looking for any and all opinions.
 

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Obviously fiction. No one really has sex. Psh.

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Too much is too much when the reader puts it down. Sex is a pretty low common denominator; I think you'll be hard pressed to hurt someone's sensibilities unless you start describing what positions they're trying. :)

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I never really have sex scenes in my stuff.
 

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If they serve the purpose of advancing the story then I don't think it's too much. There may be some that are uncomfortable with lesbian sex, but other than that I would imagine it would be fine. That's doubly true since you said that the scenes weren't very explicit.

I didn't have any sex scenes at all, but that was by design.

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willietheshakes said:
I can't possibly assist with your question until I've read the sections in question.

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Ha ha. Leave it you, willie! ;) Don't tempt me; I'll make you critique them!
ETA: Shouldn't you be writing?

Thanks for the replies so far.
 

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If they advance the plot and/or characters, go with it. If the scenes are just "there," then you might want to rethink some of them. Although willie does have a valid point....(joking:)).
 

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In my opinion, that is a lot of sex, especially occuring within 60,000 words. Lots.
 

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John61480 said:
In my opinion, that is a lot of sex, especially occuring within 60,000 words. Lots.

Like I said; obviously fiction. ;)
 

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As long as they have a purpose, I don't think that would be too many. I like reading books that use different kinds of situations to define the characters (beyond the all too common extremes of living in suburbia or saving the world). Too often sexuality is seen as cheating somehow (at least it seems that way to me), but the more vulnerable someone is the more their character comes through.

The ~65K novel I'm shopping now has 3 sex scenes, and they're all important in defining my MC and how her attitude toward herself changes in the story.

BTW, if you are looking for a reader . . . :D
 

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CaroGirl said:
ETA: Shouldn't you be writing?

I can't decide: are you channelling my editor or my mother?

Either way, you're doing a fine job. And you're right, which makes it all the more painful.
 

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Do a word count. If the sex scenes are more than 2% of the total you may want to rework some of it. My first novel (considered very graphic) has less than 1/2 of 1% of the total word count. Sex may be a titillating factor but it should never be gratuitous.

"Personally I know nothing about sex. because I have always been married."[/I] — Zsa Zsa Gabor.
 
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I struggle when it comes to writing sex scenes. I've had a go at a couple, but they just make me cringe, so I always end up leaving them out. Now I just show the before and after. I think the consequences of the sex are more important than describing the act itself. Because it's something most of us are familiar with, and I've got nothing new to add to the subject, I'd rather leave the 'ins and outs' of it to the readers imagination.

If I read a book that contains a sex scene, I like the descriptions to be brief. That way I can use my imagination to fill in the blanks.
 

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The most difficult sex scene I ever wrote was between two teens. Having left my teen years many moons ago I had to really think back at the stumbling, fumbling and genuine surprise at how it all worked.

"It's very hard for a man to ask questions about sex. The smart ones do."Betty Dodson
 

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citymouse said:
Do a word count. If the sex scenes are more than 2% of the total you may want to rework some of it. My first novel (considered very graphic) has less than 1/2 of 1% of the total word count. Sex may be a titillating factor but it should never be gratuitous.

This sounds like how my ex-wife handled sex; any more than 2% and she'd get up and leave.
 
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You can never have enough sex!

Ah, now, all you have to do is work out, do I mean in a novel or in real life?!
 

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Do the sex scenes reveal more of the characters or advance the plot? If not, tone them down or scrap them.

Of course, as a kid I used to go through my mother's books and read the dirty bits. :D
 

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It partly depends on your target audience/publisher. For a YA book, it's probably too much. For an erotica publisher, it's probably not enough. For a small press lesbian-fiction-only publisher, four (lesbian only) sex scenes would be the norm.
 

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I've posted before in another thread-- unless it's totally a pr0n story that I'm reading PURELY for gratuitous purposes, I dislike sex scenes in fiction or movies, especially when it's set up and predictable: "Ya, they're gonna DO IT now... there they go..." I've read only a handful of novels that included graphic sex scenes with the details spelled out that I enjoyed enough to keep reading past that point. The thing is, it's hard to be graphic like that and keep your narrative going; sex scenes in novels and movies are always kind of like an eddy in the flow of the story in my opinion.

It's not enough that it helps define the person's character-- you have to ask yourself whether it moves the story along or if it's more of a break in the narrative. Most often I would rather assess another person's character by seeing what kinds of books he reads or how he treats his dog, ya know. If the genitals come out at an inopportune moment, I tend to lose interest in his "character" and everything else except getting the hell out of there.

Sex is never and should not be a dignified process, but people should at least strive for dignity outside the boudoir, whether they achieve it or not. If a person needed to see me having sex to fully assess my character, I would distrust him or her... or at least until sufficient green had crossed my palm to create a bond of commerce, rather than emotion.

But if you can do it and keep your story interesting, then by all means GO FOR IT. The above remarks are just my opinion.
 

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I have one fullish description sex scene in my 90K novel, plus one gay kiss, some innuendo, and several scenes of the MC remembering past physical and sexual abuse. The sex scene is necessary to the story and I didn't want to cop out and just write the before and after, so I made myself try to write as much as possible - I knew I had a reason for that and there in the middle of the scene was the reason my subconscious was getting at (they can't finish it). I wouldn't have found it if I hadn't written the scene in full and it has some importance, even more so if there is a sequel.

Oh, edited to add: my fullish sex scene is only a couple of paragraphs - less than half a page.

Don't know if this all helps you any, but you asked for comparisons ;)
 
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In one book one sex scene may be too many. In another book twenty may not be enough. You're asking "How long is a piece of rope?"


1) Have you reached "The End" yet?

2) After putting it aside for six weeks, how does it read?

3) What do your beta-readers say?


See also: http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=82911#post82911
 

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I've kind of skipped down to respond, but define sex scene. I have a sex scene in a 3k short that's one paragraph. One. It's "on screen" but not explicit. Are these implied, full blown... etc... And it also depends on how enjoyable it is. I mean one can have a quicky, or teaser sex, or sexual activity without it being thousands of words. Most importantly take an opposite page from the Laurell K Hamilton book and do not make the sex formulaic. Lust-teaser-actual sex-she gets off- he gets off- everyone lays in a messy heap is always how hers goes. if it's not the same every time, in length and action so to speak then I don't think it would be a problem.
I think these other thing, other than just "sex scene" need to be taken into account.
 

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Hi,
In my first wip there are loads of sex scenes at the beginning, not graphically written, but it shows how these two people felt about one another from the first encounter -- then it goes on in to plots and subplots about crime and these two people's lives and how it's all entwined... In real life we meet people we can't keep our hands or dirty minds off, so the same happens in my fictional stories too.

Ellie
 

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I'm gonna echo a lot of people here and say that unless the sex is important, you can do with just eliminating. One or two sex scenes is good.

I remember this one book that had sex in almost every chapter *shudders* It was a hollywood glitz and glamour novel written by someone from a hollywood magazine I think? It had a sequel too, but I just got put off by too much sex scenes that I found unnecessary (not gonna mention names or titles)
 
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