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Hello, this is my first post in this genre.

I'm generally a paranormal/thriller author, but recently I have undertaken a project for a romance.

I am aiming for the Intrigue line of Harlequin. I think that writing for a completely different genre will offer some beneficial experience on creating material beyond what I normally do. I would love to be published in a spectrum of fiction genres.

I'm fairly new to the company, but grew up in a house where these books were read daily. I have many older relatives who would love to read something I've written, but don't have the tastes for my usual material. They're accustomed to the very short and gentle Silhouette books. I'm afraid Intrigue is the closest I can get to their usual material, right now.

Anyways, I've visited the site, I've taken notes on what I need to do. Is there anyone else here aiming for that line? Does anyone have experience with them?
 

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Laurawrites said:
Hello, this is my first post in this genre.

I'm generally a paranormal/thriller author, but recently I have undertaken a project for a romance.

I am aiming for the Intrigue line of Harlequin. I think that writing for a completely different genre will offer some beneficial experience on creating material beyond what I normally do. I would love to be published in a spectrum of fiction genres.

I'm fairly new to the company, but grew up in a house where these books were read daily. I have many older relatives who would love to read something I've written, but don't have the tastes for my usual material. They're accustomed to the very short and gentle Silhouette books. I'm afraid Intrigue is the closest I can get to their usual material, right now.

Anyways, I've visited the site, I've taken notes on what I need to do. Is there anyone else here aiming for that line? Does anyone have experience with them?

My best advice to you would be to read some of the most recently published books to get a strong feel for the line. You need to internalize the rhythm of the line. If you can find any new authors for the line (and I don't know that I've heard of too many new authors for that line) that's even better.

The eHarlequin website has a great community where each line has its own thread. Generally you can find authors and eds for those lines lingering around -- great place to ask questions!

Good luck!

Susan G.
 

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Hi Laura

As far as I know, Paula Graves is Intrigue's newest author. Her book came out in June of this year and is still available at eH's website. However, it will probably be gone at the end of the month.

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Hello, Susan.

Thank you so much!

I noticed you have a book through them. What was your experience like? I've found greatly contasting information online. Some authors have complained that they never hear from them (one author posted it had been 8 months and still no reply) while others say it was only a matter of days. I've also heard conflicting reports on everything from editorial work (too difficult) to advances (too small) to royalties (again, too small through impressive figures).

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ElleF said:
Hi Laura

As far as I know, Paula Graves is Intrigue's newest author. Her book came out in June of this year and is still available at eH's website. However, it will probably be gone at the end of the month.

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Thank you, Elle!

I will certainly check her material out.
 

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You might also look into Silhouette Romantic Suspense, which is the newest evolution of Intimate Moments. Both Intrigue and SRS will be doing romantic suspense, but if it's "suspensier," Intrigue will do them, where the more romance-y stuff will be appropriate for SRS. But as Susan notes, the eHarlequin website is a great starting point to familiarize yourself with the material.
 

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Harlequin is very specific about what they want and word count. If they want 75K words and get 80K, you'll have to trim to fit!

Always read their current releases, Those were bought by H 12-18 months ago.

And ALWAYS read outside the whole genre, rather than just the line. Get some mysteries, mainstreams, S/F & Fantasy into your head. That helps you avoid "genre incest." (Your book reading exactly like all the other books.)

I write in paranormals, but read mysteries. When I write a mystery I'll read horror, and so on.

You can always tell which romance writers read outside romance--their stuff is fresh!

You might want to check the romance cliches thread in this section--it's pretty dang funny!

Good luck!
 

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Thanks all.

I certainly don't stick with one genre...lol. I love to read all types of material so that's no problem.

The line I'm targeting requires a word count of 60,000-65,000 words. My current manuscript has a little over 63,000 words. It's actually a novel I started years ago to be a mystery or thriller. I just rewrote it and aimed it a little more towards a mystery that focuses on the relationship of the two main characters. I've also considered making it a series due to some of the developments that occur in the book. Before I started writing towards the Harlequin market, the original manuscript was around 80,000 words. But, actually, I think trimming and polishing made an improvement on the overall story.

I was inspired to try for them when I read their guidelines on their web site. I just can't write the more genteel books. I adore action as a reader and tend to have very active books. I also love delving into a character's internal dialogue, but often have to stop myself. I'm glad they're moving away from the stereotypes like heroines who are helpless and heros who aren't realistic. I think that brings a vivid sense of realism to the stories.

I think the cliches are always worth a good laugh. There are some that really strike a humorous chord with me. I think we can breathe a sigh of relief when it comes to fiction genres, though. Many genres are susceptible to the same cliches. I read somewhere, online, that Harlequin editors were a little frustrated with the use of the word, "gaze," so I don't have that one in the book at all. It might've been on their web site. I also liked the fact that they're looking for strong heroines and supportive heros as opposed to commanding.

I'm not sure if it will fit what they're looking for, overall, but I think it's a wonderful exercise.
 

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I just want to reiterate what others have said: there's no substitute for reading a whole passel of the books in the line you're targeting. There's a definite, distinct but subtle feel to each line, and it's an exercise in futility if you don't write stories that have the right feel.

I recently picked up about a dozen recent-ish books within one of Harlequin's lines to study them, and reading them back-to-back was enlightening, even if my conclusion was that I don't have the right voice to write them.

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Laurawrites said:
Hello, Susan.

Thank you so much!

I noticed you have a book through them. What was your experience like? I've found greatly contasting information online. Some authors have complained that they never hear from them (one author posted it had been 8 months and still no reply) while others say it was only a matter of days. I've also heard conflicting reports on everything from editorial work (too difficult) to advances (too small) to royalties (again, too small through impressive figures).

Thanks again.

Well, all of this varies. :) Which is why you're getting such conflicting reports.

On the time it takes to hear from an editor: it depends. My first book, it took 5 months to hear back on the partial that they wanted to see the full, and then another 5 months to get The Call.

I have a partial with an editor now that's been in the house for over 2 months.

The editorial staff is stretched thin. Very thin. So it takes time to get answers. It also depends on the editor and exactly how much she has on her plate (general answer: a LOT) at the time.

Editorial work on a book: It varies. It varies based on the line, the editor, how bad a shape the ms is in, the phase of the moon, etc. Sometimes edits are very heavy, sometimes they aren't.

Advances for first time authors varies based on line (remember, your advance is a reflection of what they expect to sell.) But the average advance for a first time author at Harlequin runs around $4-5,000. That's higher than some other houses, I can assure you.

Royalties in category is a standard 6%. (Although I'm sure there MAY be some authors who have some wiggle room, but that wouldn't be the newbies or those of us down on the bottom rungs. <G>) Yeah, other houses offer about 8%. But, Harlequin has a huge distribution. Thanks, I'll take it happily. (That's not to say that I wouldn't like a higher royalty rate. Of course I would. <G> But this is working right now.)

Sales numbers will vary as with every book. That's just all there is to it.

So, there's good reason you're getting a variety of responses. If someone thinks they're going to get a $20k advance, then HQ's advance might look small. However, if you've seen the Show Me the Money report ( http://www.brendahiatt.com/id2.html ), you'll see that some houses have lower advances including Kensington and Dorchester/Leisure.

This is not a get-rich-quick scheme, that's for sure. As "they" say, don't quit your dayjob.

All in all, I'd have to say I've been very satisfied with my Harlequin experiences. :) (Not to say there aren't things I'd change or things I might wish had happened differently, but overall I feel it's been very worthwhile, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.)

Susan G.
 

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Thanks, again Susan.

I visited the link, that is very informative. It's a shame there aren't more accurate listings of that for all genres in fiction. I think it could really help a lot of writers out.

I've been pretty much everywhere in writing...lol. I started around 1988 and aimed towards the songwriting markets. I kept on with that until around 1997 and I noticed my lyrics continued to grow. I was writing 3-4 pages for one piece. Needless to say, I went into novels. I've authored short stories since around 1990.

I have extensive experience in non-fiction, much more so than fiction. I've worked as everything from a professional book reviewer to a contributing author, Staff Writer, freelance writer, and guest columnist.

Still, even with all that, a new genre is still new when you're the one writing it:) I'm always looking for anything to help me in writing, because it really bleeds into everything you do. A new skill or tip can save so much time and energy.

I am very excited to see where this leads.
 
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