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kuatolives
11-02-2006, 01:17 AM
From ParaPublishing
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Numbers that stood out for me:
-22 million titles ever published (plus or minus fourteen)
-Amazon sells 5% of all books
-Out of every 10 000 children's books, 3 gets published. (Unles you're Madonna ra ra you go publishing industry)
-Santa Barbara has at least 384 published book authors. The population of the South Coast is about 175,000.
-LA Times receives 600 to 700 books for review each week.









Publishers, Number of

6 large publishers (in New York)
3-400 medium-sized publishers
86,000 small/self-publishers

The six U.S. conglomerate publishers are

1. Random House, Inc.
2. Penguin Putnam Inc.
3. HarperCollins
4. Holtzbrinck Publishing Holdings
5. Time Warner
6. Simon & Schuster, Inc.

Four are foreign owned

Publishers with 10 active ISBN identifiers: 73,000
Publishers with 11-199 active ISBN identifiers: 11,837
Publishers with 200 or more active ISBN identifiers: 1,804
--PMA Newsletter, September 2003 http://www.PMA-online.org

Total: 86,641 ISBN blocks issued it the U.S

Some publishers have more than one ISBN block. So, there are probably more than 80,000 publishers.

There are more than 10,000 non-profit publishers. --Jack McHugh, 15 July 98. j.b.mchugh@worldnet.att.net

8,000-11,000 new publishing companies are established each year. See http://www.ISBN.org

2002: 10,000 new publishing companies were established. An increase of 15%.
--Publishers weekly, June 2, 2003. http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Other countries
Australia
Sales: A$1.26 billion (USD $820 million)
Sales of title originating in Australia: A$747.7 million (USD $486 million)
Sales of imported titles: A$512.9 million (USD $333.4 million)
Value of exports: A$162.5 million (USD $105.6 million)
Largest export markets: U.S. 34%, New Zealand 16%, U.K. 14%
--Australian Bureau of Statistics study of 228 publishers, 2000-2001.

Canada
Canada: About 50,000 titles are published each year.
http://www.bookwire.com/bookwire/canadianbookproduction.htm

627+ Publishers *
$2.4 billion in Revenue
Up 9.4% from 1998-99
Published 27,797 titles. Up 13%.
15,744 original
12,053 reprints
Government grants to publishers. $48 million
Exported books. $154.8 million
Foreign Rights. $313 million.
(Amounts are in Canadian Dollars)
--Publishers Weekly http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

* These figures are most likely understated.

Smaller Publishers and Self-Publishers

A. From a survey and Special Report. Early 1988. ©1998 Brenner Information Group. http://www.BrennerBooks.com

1. 54% of small independent publishers are male, 42% are female (3% won't say).

2. California has 6X the number of small publishers than any other state. This finding is consistent with surveys of other creative professions, including desktop publishers, web publishers and multimedia designers.

3. The most popular business structure is the sole proprietorship-52% of male publishers and 56% of female publishers selected this legal formation.

4. Over 60% operate out of home offices (65% of males, 76% of females)

5. They've published an average of 7 titles each.

6. In 1997, they earned an average of $420,000.

7. Half of the high income small publishers earned over $1 million in 1997 working out of home offices.

8. The typical independent publisher (indie) works 50 hours a week. [Many work "half days": 8 am to 8 pm. : ]

9. Over 68% do not provide paid vacations.

10. Of the 30% that provide paid holidays, most give six days a year holiday benefit.

11. Over 80% have no pension or retirement program.

12. They produce 4X as many nonfiction titles as fiction titles. Juvenile and poetry are the most popular fiction genres. Self-help, how-to and business lead in the nonfiction categories.

13. Over 60% use Microsoft Word-23% use Word Perfect.

14. Most (47%) use Adobe PageMaker-24% use QuarkXpress.

15. Quickbooks is their most popular accounting software program.

16. Their most popular publishing publications are the PMA Newsletter, Publishers Weekly and the SPAN newsletter.

17. They pay an average of $276.25 for illustration on each book.

18. On average, they pay $465.17 for a simple cover design to as much as $3,533.26 for a complex cover design. Typical cover costs range $450 to $3,000.

19. Book design costs between $10 and $150 an hour.

20. They pay between $5 and $18 per page for interior page layout.

21. The average revenue per employee is $97,713.

22. On average it takes 475 hours to write a fiction title and 725 hours to write a nonfiction title.

22. It takes an average of 531 hours to produce a book-422 hours for fiction, 550 hours for nonfiction.

24. An average of 10 to 15 hours are spent designing a book cover.

25. On average, 61 hours are spent in the editing process.

26. On average, 29 hours are spent producing a news release for a new book.

27. Self publishers spend 52.4% of their book development budget writing a book (23.3% for fiction, 55.5% for nonfiction).

28. Graphic design consumes 13.5% of the budget for fiction titles and 3.7% of the budget for nonfiction titles.

29. Other than writing costs, small publishers spend most of their fiction title development budget in graphic design and illustration (13.5% and 20% respectively).

30. Other than writing costs, small publishers spend most of their nonfiction title development budget on illustration and page layout (7.5% and 8% respectively).

31. Advertising consumes most of the small publisher's marketing costs (36.5% for fiction titles, 29.8% for nonfiction titles).

B. From a survey conducted by Tom Woll, Cross River Publishing Consultants in the summer of 2003

2002: " 73,000 smaller and newer publishers grossed $29.4 billion.
" Sales increased 21% annually from 1997-2002.
Based on those publishers with 1-10 titles in print.
" Including publishers with 11-99 active titles, the revenue jumps to $34.3 billion.
" Smaller publisher are not represented in traditional industry figures.
" 70% of the publishers reported sale less than $100,000.
" 43% had been in business more than five years; 20% for more than 10 years.
" Most had print runs of 2-5,000 copies.
" The greater the number of titles, the greater the reliance on wholesalers and distributors for reaching bookstores.
--Publishers Marketing Association, http://www.PMA-online.org

Also see http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/information/business.cfm

Quantity of Publishers by Year

1947: 357 publishers
1973: 3,000 publishers
1980: 12,000 Publishers. The New York Times, February 23, 1981.
1994: 52,847 publishers. Books in Print.
2003: About 73,000 (plus those who publish through POD/DotCom publishers; they use the publisher's ISBN block.)

Book in Print

1.5+ million titles in print (currently available in the U.S.) Since 1776, 22 million titles have been published.
--Jerrold Jenkins, 15 May 99. http://www.JenkinsGroup.com US: About 120,000 titles are published each year. http://www.bookwire.com/bookwire/americanbookproduction.htm

2002: The larger publishers released 5% fewer books, mostly in adult fiction and travel.
Travel books were down in response to the economy and 9/11.
Title output was up 5.8% overall for a total of 150,000 titles
University press titles were up 10% over 2001.
--Publishers weekly http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

2002: The five large New York publishers accounted for 45% of the market (made 45% of the sales.) They grossed $4.1 billion.
--Publishers Weekly, June 16, 2003. http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

2002: The larger publishers decreased output 5% but titles published rose 6% to 150,000.
--R.R. Bowker in Publishers weekly, June 2, 2003. http://www.PublishersWeekly.com However, this number may include sheet music too.

2004: 2.8 million books in print.
--R.R. Bowker as reported in The Wall Street Journal, April 24, 2004.

Who is Publishing how many Books?

78% of the titles published come from the small/self-publishers.
http://www.pma-online.org/benefits/industry_reports.cfm

2002: The five large New York publishers accounted for 45% of the market (made 45% of the sales.) --Publishers Weekly, June 16, 2003. http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

1999: the top 20 publishers accounted for 93% of sales.
--Andre Schiffrin, The Business of Books in the Washington Post. October 18, 2000.

2000: 80% of the book sales are controlled by five conglomerates: Bertlesman (Random House), Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, Time Warner, Disney and Viacom/CBS.
--Andre Schiffrin, The Business of Books in the Washington Post. October 18, 2000.

2002: Five large New York publishers had US sales of $4.102 billion and worldwide sales of $5.68 billion.
Random House: $2.1 billion worldwide
Penguin Group: $1.3 billion
HarperCollins: $1.1 billion
Simon & Schuster: $690 million (est)
AOL/Time Warner: $415 million
--Publishers Weekly, June 16, 2003 http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

What genres/categories are people buying? 55% Popular fiction
10% Religious nonfiction
9% Cooking/Crafts
--2001 Consumer Research Study on Book Purchasing by the Book Industry Study Group, http://www.bisg.org

2002: Genres, quantity published.
New adult fiction: 17,000.
Juveniles: 10,000
--R.R. Bowker in Publishers weekly, June 2, 2003. http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Christian Books

2002 sales of books and products through all channels: just under $4.2 billion, up from $4 billion in 2000. $2.4 billion sold through Christian retail outlets; $1.1 billion through general retail; and $725 million through direct-to-consumer ministry channels. First 6 months of 2003: CBA member store sales were down 2%. Books increased 8%, Bibles increased 2% but music and gifts decreased 9%.
--Christian Booksellers Association reported in Publishers Weekly, August 4, 2003 http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Book Printers

1638: the first printing press was brought to the Massachusetts Bay Colony.
--Doreen Carvajal, The New York Times, August 24, 1997.

42 (ink) book printers in the U.S. Most are in Michigan.

12 (digital) book printers in the U.S. Most specialize in very short runs (100-1,000 books).

2003: Ingram's LightningSource digitally prints (POD) 70,000 individual books/week. Their delivery channels cover more than 90% of the bookstores in the US. They fulfill nearly 1 million eBooks/day. They have more than 2,000 vendor/publishers as clients.
--LightningSource http://www.LightningSource.com

Also see http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/information/produce.cfm and http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/information/produce.cfm#16

Book Printing

Most initial print runs are 5,000 copies.
--Publishing for Profit by Tom Woll. Page 113.
TWoll@aol.com

4,986 was the average first press run; second printings averaged 4,776.
--PMA survey of members, 1998.
http://www.PMAonline.org

The first print run for a mid-list book by a larger publisher is 10-15,000 books.
--Brian DeFiore, Maui Writers Conference.
http://www.defioreandco.com/

A larger publisher must sell 10,000 books to break even.
--Brian DeFiore, Maui Writers Conference.
http://www.defioreandco.com/

Larger publishers have shifted their philosophy from a humongous first print run to a market reality run.
--Jean Srnecz, VP, Baker & Taylor. 1998.
http://www.BTOL.com

Also see http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/information/produce.cfm

POD Subsidy Publishers

(Xlibris, 1st Books, Trafford, iUniverse, et. al.)

Xlibris has paid out $1 million in royalties to some 9,000 authors since the company was founded in 1997. (About $111. each.)
--Publishers weekly, March 17, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Xlibris published 10,269 titles through March 25, 2004.
352 or 3.4% had sold more than 500 copies.
1,463 or 14.3% had sold more than 200 copies.
The average per-publication sale number of an Xlibris title is about 130 copies.
Xlibris grossed $2.5-million in 2000 and should do $8-million in 2004.
--The Wall Street Journal, April 24, 2004.

Book Sales in the U.S.

A successful fiction book sells 5,000 copies.
--Authors Guild. http://www.authorsguild.org/

A successful nonfiction book sells 7,500 copies.
--Authors Guild. http://www.authorsguild.org/

2001: $25.4 billion. Trade books (those in bookstores): $6.4 billion, religious $1.3 billion, Professional $4.7 billion, Book Clubs $1.3 billion, and other categories.
--Association of American Publishers
http://www.publishers.org/industry/index.cfm

2002: Books sales totaled roughly $26.9 billion.
--Association of American Publishers.
http://www.publishers.org/industry/index.cfm

2002: Books sales totaled roughly $26.9 billion.
A 5.5% increase over 2001. 2001 had a 0.6% increase over 2000.
College texts up 12.4% to $3.9 billion
Mass-Market paperbacks up 11.7% to $1.73 billion
Trade books up 8.8% to $6.93 billion
--Publishers weekly, March 10, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

One-third of the books sold worldwide are sold in the US.
--Overseas Book Service, December 8, 1998.
http://www.overseasbookservice.com

While the US Population is growing and education levels are rising, book sales are not-due to heavy media competition for leisure time.
--Business Trend Analysts, Inc. as reported in Publishers Weekly, October 27, 1997.
http://www.businesstrendanalysts.com/
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com *****

A book must move in the stores in six weeks.
--Brian DeFiore, Maui Writers Conference.
http://www.defioreandco.com

The top ten US cities by dollar volume of book sales and number of bookstores are Los Angeles-Long Beach; New York; Chicago; Boston; Washington, Philadelphia; San Francisco; Seattle-Bellevue-Everett; San Jose; San Diego.
--Christian Science Monitor, December 9, 1997.
http://www.csmonitor.com

Also see
http://www.bookweb.org/research/stats/374.html

In 2001, consumers purchased 1.6 billion books.
--2001 Consumer Research Study on Book Purchasing by the Book Industry Study Group,
http://www.bisg.org

2002: People spent $530 million on used books, 5% of the trade book market. The
Internet makes hard-to-find titles easier to locate.
There are 7,200 used bookstores, up 10% in 10 years.
Powell's in Portland, OR, does 40% of its business online; 55-65% of that volume is in used books.
--Newsweek, August 11, 2003

Used books were purchased by one out of ten book buyers in the previous nine months in 2002.
Used books account for $533 million in annual sales; 13% of the units sold and 5% of the total revenue.
The heaviest book buyers buy more than one-third of their books used.
The largest-selling used books are: Mysteries, romance and science fiction.
Used nonfiction sell best online.
--Ipsos Book Trends in Publishers weekly, June 9, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

eBooks

eBook sales increased 1,442% in January 2003 over January 2002.
--Publishers weekly, March 24, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

70% of book fair visitors are ready to buy electronic books if they can run them on any computer. 67% are ready to read the, 62% would borrow them from a library.
--Open E-Book Forum as reported in Booktech the Magazine, January/February 2003

Pricing

2002: The number of book priced between $30 and $40 increased 15% to more than 800 titles.
" Adult trade hardcover: increased 20 cents to an average of $27.52 average retail price.
" Adult trade soft cover: increased 2 cents to an average of $15.77 average retail price.
" Adult trade mass-market paper: increased 32 cents to an average of $7.30 average retail price.
" Juvenile hard covers rose 12% to 15.93
" University press hardcover titles decrease 11 cents to 51.09
" University press soft cover titles rose 11 cents to $18.30
--R.R. Bowker in Publishers weekly, June 2, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Book Exports from the US

Entertainment content is the largest U.S. export.
Information is the basis of more than half the gross domestic product.
--The Wall Street Journal, June 10, 2003

$837.5 million in 2001. To Canada, UK, Japan, Australia, Mexico, Singapore, Netherlands, Germany, South Korea and others, in that order.
--Publishers Weekly, September 3, 2001.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

2002: $1.68 billion, down 1.8%
Top eexport markets (in order): Canada, U.K. Japan, Australia, Mexico, Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Germany, Taiwan.
--Publishers weekly, March 24, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Bookstores

15,000 stores in the U.S. that carry books.
8,000 are "bookstores".
3,000 might be profiled for any particular book. (Business books sell better downtown; parenting books can be found in the suburbs).

59% of the customers plan to purchase a specific book when entering a bookstore.
--Book industry Study Group. Publishing for Profit by Tom Woll, page 170.
http://www.BISG.org
TWoll@aol.com

40% make impulse purchases.
--Book industry Study Group. Publishing for Profit by Tom Woll, page 170.
http://www.BISG.org
TWoll@aol.com

2002: Of the $23.7 billion spent on books, only $10.7 billion is spent in bookstores. The non-traditional outlets sell more books.
--Tami DePalma, Marketability.
twist@marketability.com

Borders 2002: opened 41 super stores for a total of 404.
Closed 53 Waldenbook stores and opened 4, leaving a total of 778.
8 new stores were opened overseas for a total of 30 super stores and 37 Books, Etc.
--Publishers weekly, March 17, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Book Purchases by Store Type

24.6% Large chain stores
17.7% Book Clubs
15.2% Smaller chains and independent stores.
5.4% Internet such as Amazon.com
--Book Industry Study Group.
http://www.BISG.org

2002: $450 million was spent on general-interest books at big-box stores such as Wal-Mart. That figure is up 7.4% from 2000. Costco and other price clubs are taking market share from the bookstores.
--Ipsos Book Trends, reported in The Wall Street Journal, June 18, 2003

Chain stores
2001 gross sales:
Barnes & Noble: $3.8 billion
Borders Group: $3.5 billion
Books-A-Million: $443 million

2002 gross sales:
Barnes & Noble: $3.7 billion
Borders Group: $3.4 billion
Books-A-Million: $443 million
--Publishers weekly, April 7, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Online Bookstores

Number of books sold online in 1999: 57 million.
--The Standard, October 23, 2000.
http://www.thestandard.com

In 2000, online sales were 5-10% of total book sales. 40% were fiction.
--The Standard, October 23, 2000.
http://www.thestandard.com

Amazon.com is Bantam-Doubleday-Dell's third largest customer.
--Michael Larsen, agent.
larsenpoma@aol.com

Amazon.com sells 5% of all books for $3 billion. Amazon.com is ranked among the top 50 brands in the world.
--Newsweek. April 9, 2001.
http://www.Newsweek.com

2002: Online bookstores sold 10% of the books.
-- The Wall Street Journal, June 18, 2003

Amazon had 35.9 million visitors in May 2003.
BarnesAndNoble.com had 7.9 million
--ComScores Networks, Inc. The Wall Street Journal, June 18, 2003

2002: Books were by far the best Internet seller. 43% of online shoppers purchased at least one book.
--Vertus Customer Focus (http://www.VertisInc.com) , reported in www.TargetOnLine.com (http://www.TargetOnLine.com)

American Booksellers Association (The independent bookstore organization). The chain stores are replacing the independents.

ABA membership was 5,132 in 1991. It fell to 4,047 in 1998.
--Business Week, June 29, 1998.
www.businessweek.com (http://www.businessweek.com)

Since 1993, ABA membership has dropped from 5,100 to 3,500 because the independent stores have been driven out of business.
--Chicago Tribune Magazine, May 31, 1998.
http://www.chicagotribune.com

ABA membership declined to 2,800 stores.
--Publishers Weekly, December 2001
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

ABA membership
2000: 2,794
2001: 2,191
2002: 1,900 (a loss of 30% in two years)
--Mitch Kaplan, vice-president American Booksellers Association.
http://www.bookweb.org

Only 100 stores joined the ABA in 2001 while 250-300 stores closed. Membership is now less than 2,200.
--PublishersLunch,
http://www.caderbooks.com

In April 2003, bookstore membership dropped 9% from a year earlier.
Total membership, including industry members and prospective booksellers, dropped 11.4%
Total membership was 2,643
--Publishers Weekly, September 22, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Covers, Book

Everyone judges a book by its cover.

On the average, a book store browser spends eight seconds looking at the front cover and 15 seconds looking at the back cover.

Sales Reps show covers or jackets and give a sales pitch that averages 14 seconds.
Also see 116: Book Cover Worksheet.
http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/resources/allproducts.cfm
and
http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/resources/supplier.cfm

Libraries

The library market was $3-billion in 1993.

68% of Baker & Taylor's sales are to libraries.
--Jerrold Jenkins,
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com

90% of the 15,000 public libraries in the US order (some) of their books through Baker & Taylor and spend more than $444 million on books annually.
--U.S. Department of Justice as reported in The Wall Street Journal, February 4, 1997.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/
http://online.wsj.com/public/us *****

Libraries lose 20% of their books each year. Some books get past the security devices and others are just not returned.

Also see
http://www.ala.org

Book Fairs

The first ABA convention was in 1901.
--Chicago Tribune Magazine, May 31, 1998.
http://www.chicagotribune.com

The first ABA book fair was in 1947. For many years it was in the basement of the Shoreham Hotel in Washington, DC.
--Chicago Tribune Magazine, May 31, 1998.
http://www.chicagotribune.com

ABA/BEA Book Fair attendance was:
1996: 37, 464
1997: 25,732
1998: 25,672
In 2001, there were 2000 exhibitors
http://www.BookExpoAmerica.com

2003 BEA Survey
85% felt there was more floor traffic in New York 2002 than in Los Angeles in 2003.
62% said there was more traffic in Chicago in 2001 than in Los Angeles in 2002.
82% like moving the show from city to city.
61% prefer Chicago
21% favor Los Angeles
18% favor New York
--Bargain Book News
http://www.iMakeNews.com/BargainBookNews

The Frankfurt Book fair has 9,000 exhibitors.
http://www.frankfurt-book-fair.com/en/portal.html

Larger publishers send 2-3 acquisition editors to attend book fairs and otherwise canvas the country for previously (self) published books.
--Brian DeFiore, Maui Writers Conference.
http://www.defioreandco.com

75% of the floor space at the 1999 BEA book fair in Los Angeles was occupied by small presses and self-publishers.

Christian Booksellers Association Book Fair
Attendance:
2003: 10,902
2002: 13,129

International attendance:
2003: 708
2002: 1,039

Exhibitors:
2003: 477. 224 were book and Bible publishers. Exhibitor brought 1,000 fewer staff than in 2002.
2002: 496
2001: 515
--Christian Booksellers Association reported in Publishers Weekly, August 4, 2003
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

And see
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/digest2001/tables/dt425.asp

Copyright Infringement.

Global piracy losses to the U.S. book publishers estimated at $650.8 million in 2001.
--International Intellectual Property Alliance.
http://www.iipa.com/statistics.html

Writers and Authors

81% of the population feels they have a book inside them.
27% would write fiction.
28% would write on personal development
27% would write history, biography, etc.
20% would do a picture book, cookbook, etc.
6 million have written a manuscript.
6 million manuscripts are making the rounds.
Out of every 10,000 children's books, 3 get published.
--Jerrold Jenkins. 15 May 99.
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com

Santa Barbara has at least 384 published book authors. The population of the South Coast is about 175,000.
--Dan Poynter.
http://ParaPub.com

Subscribers to Writer's Digest magazine. Who are these writers?

25% are working on fiction or poetry.

Have been writing for 14.6 years on the average.

Each averages 12.6 hours/week writing.
--Advanced writers: 30.5 hours/week
--Intermediate writers: 11 hours/week
--Beginning writers: 7 hours/week

The average (mean) Writer's Digest subscriber is:
Female. 66.9%
47 years old.
Has .63 children.
Has completed 15.6 years of education.
Has a household income of $53,353.
Has a net worth of $238,178.

Writer's Digest Book Club members
--More than 50% of the members are writing fiction.

Retail Book Buyers/Readers

Women buy 68% of all books.
--Lou Aronica, Senior V-P Avon Books. Publishers Weekly, March 22, 1999.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

The median household income for book buyers is $41,600, compared to $35,300 for all adults.
--Bookselling This Week, November 10, 1997.
http://news.bookweb.org/

Men are more likely to shop in chain stores than women. Women are more likely to shop in discount stores and supermarkets than men.
--Publishers Weekly, May 12, 1997, page 13.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

$1.7 billion is spent annually on textbooks. $78 billion is spent on alcohol, $37 billion on cigarettes and $6 billion on pet food.
Also see
http://bookbuzz.com/bisg1998study.htm

In the U.S., 40-million people move their residence each year. This makes keeping up with address changes an expensive challenge.
--Target Marketing, March 2002.
http://www.TargetOnLine.com

How much do people like to pay?
28% $5 to $7.99. Presumably they are buying mostly mass-market paperbacks.
19% $3 to $.99
19% $10 to $14.99
19% $15 to $24.99
--2001 Consumer Research Study on Book Purchasing by the Book Industry Study Group,
http://www.bisg.org

Who is Reading Books (and who is not)

One-third of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives. Many do not even graduate from high school.

58% of the US adult population never reads another book after high school.

42% of college graduates never read another book.

80% of US families did not buy or read a book last year.

70% of US adults have not been in a bookstore in the last five years.

57% of new books are not read to completion.
--Jerrold Jenkins.
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com

Most readers do not get past page 18 in a book they have purchased.

63% of adults report purchasing at least one book during the previous three-month period. (Most were probably exaggerating).
--Bookselling This Week, November 10, 1997.
http://news.bookweb.org/

53% read fiction, 43% nonfiction. The favorite fiction category is mystery & Suspense, 19%.
--Publishers Weekly, May 12, 1997, page 13.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Of the top fifty books, fiction outsells nonfiction about 60% to 40%. Fiction peaks in July at 70% but nonfiction reaches almost 50% in December.
--USA Today, April 30, 1999.
http://www.USAtoday.com

55% of fiction is bought by women; 45% by men.
--Publishers Weekly, May 12, 1997, page 13.

Thirty percent of Americans surveyed by the Harris Poll say they would rather read a book than do anything else; twenty-one percent said watching TV is their favorite activity. That's the good news. The bad news is that only 13 percent selected "spending time with family.
--Publishers Weekly email Daily, July 9, 1998.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Each day, people in the US spend 4 hours watching TV, 3 hours listening to the radio and 14 minutes reading magazines.
--Veronis, Suhler & Associates investment bankers
http://www.veronissuhler.com

70% of Americans haven't visited a bookstore in five (5) years.
--Michael Levine, June 2002
http://www.LevinPR.com

Customers 55 and older account for more than one-third of all books bought.
--2001 Consumer Research Study on Book Purchasing by the Book Industry Study Group,
http://www.bisg.org

People reduced their time reading between 1996 and 2001 to 2.1 hours/month.
2001: per capita spending on books per month was $7.18.
--Publishers Weekly, May 26, 2003
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Only 32% of the U.S. population has ever been in a bookstore.
--David Godine, Publisher.

The time Americans spend reading books.
1996: 123 hours
2001: 109 hours
--Veronis, Suhler & Associates investment bankers
http://www.veronissuhler.com

1996 to 2001
Consumer spending on book rose 16%
Unit sales dropped 6%
(Readers spend more and purchased fewer books)
--Veronis, Suhler & Associates investment bankers
http://www.veronissuhler.com

2001: Households purchasing at least one book 56.5%
--Veronis, Suhler & Associates investment bankers
http://www.veronissuhler.com

The mean age of book buyers
1997: Age 15-39: 26.5% of the books bought
2001: Age 15-39: 20.8% of the books bought

1997: Age over 55: 33.7% of the books bought.
2001: Age over 55: 44.1% of the books bought
--Ipsos NPD reported in Publishers Weekly, January 6, 2003

Literacy

1992: 20% of adults in the U.S. read at or below the fifth grade level.
--National Adult Literacy Survey reported in Publishers Weekly, January 6, 2003.

"Half of the American people have never read a newspaper. Half have never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half."
--Gore Vidal, author.

Mass-Media Use by Consumers, 1996.

Hours spent per year:
1,100: Broadcast TV. Increasing.
480: Cable TV. Increasing
250: Recorded music. Increasing.
180: Newspapers. Decreasing
90: Magazines. decreasing.
105: Books. Level.
65: Home video. Level.
10: Movies. Level.
-- Doreen Carvajal, The New York Times, August 24, 1997.
http://www.nytimes.com

Consumer Spending in 1996

$5.4 billion was spent on movies.
25.6 billion was spent on books.

Self-Help Books

The self-help book category came into its own in 1936 with the publication of Dale Carnegie's book How to Win Friends and Influence People. Today self-help sales are $538-million and account for one in ten titles sold.
--The Wall Street Journal, December 8, 1998.
http://online.wsj.com/public/us

1,818 self-help titles were published in 1997, generating $538 million.
--Simba Information as reported in USA Today.
http://www.simbanet.com
http://www.USAtoday.com

U.S. self-help books sell very well in Australia, moderately well in Japan and poorly in Britain. The majority of self-help books are purchased by women.
--Bob Miller, Group Publisher of Hyperion as reported in USA Today.
http://www.USAtoday.com

Fiction

5,000 novels, 200 first novels and 100 scripts are purchased each year.
--Ridley Pearson, Maui Writers Conference.
http://www.ridleypearson.com

Screenplays

A TV movie will be seen by 3-million people and will sell more books than a screen film.
--Andy Cohen, Maui Writers Conference.
GradeAProd@aol.com

Agents

Eighty percent of the books published by major houses come through agents.
--Michael Larsen, Literary Agent.
larsenpoma@aol.com

Advances

70% of the books published do not earn out their advance.
--Jerrold Jenkins, 15 May 99.
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com

70% of the books published do not make a profit.
--Jerrold Jenkins, 15 May 99.
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com

Many advances are between $1,500 and $7,500.
--Publishing for Profit by Tom Woll, page 109.
TWoll@aol.com

A typical advance for a computer book is $10,000.
--Chicago Tribune, June 21, 1998.
http://www.chicagotribune.com

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf received an advance of more than $5 million from Bertlesmann; Gen. Colin Powell got $6.5 million from Newhouse, Former O.J. pall Paula Barbieri got $3.5 million from Time Warner. Simon & Schuster, Random House, and Penguin Putnam wrote off at least $100 million in unearned advances in 1996.
--Bookselling This Week, October 6, 1997.
http://news.bookweb.org/

Large advances for books that flopped: Journey to Justice by Johnnie Cochran, Ballantine paid a reported $3.5 million; Behind the Oval Office by Dick Morris, Random House paid an estimated $2.5 million; Leading with my Chin by Jay Leno, HarperCollins paid a reported $4 million.
--The Wall Street Journal, May 29, 1997.
http://online.wsj.com/public/us

Royalties

The average royalty is 10.7% of net.
--John Huenefeld. Publishing for Profit by Tom Woll, page 121.
TWoll@aol.com

Reviews

LA Times receives 600 to 700 books for review each week.
--Steve Wasserman, book review editor.
http://www.latimes.com

Websites

"We put up a dictionary in 1996, free for everyone and knowing that words people look up fascinate us. The web site has helped the company reinforce its brand with a 17% increase in sales.
--John Morse, president and publisher, Merriam-Webster. Publishers Weekly, December 2001
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com
Note: The Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary is the bestselling hardcover book in U.S. history. It has sold 55-million copies since it first appeared in 1898.

Bestsellers

Bestsellers accounted for 3% of the sales at Barnes & Noble in 1997.
--Business Week, June 29, 1998.
http://www.BusinessWeek.com

64% of book buyers say a book's being on a bestseller list is not important.
--Publishers Weekly, May 12, 1997, page 13.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Last spring (1999) an uneasy Authors Guild, which had spent more than a year looking into these trends, released its report on midlist publishing. It laboriously toted up the figures for the top fiction and nonfiction titles on the Publishers Weekly annual bestseller list, then showed how those 30 megabooks suck up a growing proportion of sales. In 1986, the bestsellers accounted for about 7 percent of all adult hardcover trade book sales; a decade later they accounted for 13 percent. In 1999, applying the same methodology, the proportion reached nearly 15 percent.
http://www.AuthorsGuild.org

In 1975, the bestselling book was E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime. It sold 232,000 books. In 2000, John Grisham's "The Brethren" sold 2.8 million books.
--National Arts Journalism Program,
http://www.NAJP.org

Nearly all bestsellers come from five publishing conglomerates.
--National Arts Journalism Program,
http://www.NAJP.org

2002 Bestsellers by Corporation
Hardcover
Random House: 64
Penguin Putnam: 41
Simon & Schuster: 29
Time Warner: 30
Harper-Collins: 22
Von Holtzbrink: 18
Hyperion: 15

Soft cover
Random House: 63
Penguin Putnam: 48
Simon & Schuster: 28
Time Warner: 19
Harper-Collins: 30
Von Holtzbrink: 12
Hyperion: 5
--Publishers Weekly, January 13, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

2003. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix by J.K. Rowling.
630 Barnes & Noble stores sold 286,000 copies in the first hour; 896,000 the first day.
1,200 Borders and Walden stores sold 750,000 copies in the first 23 hours; the highest first-day sales in its history.
In the UK, WHSmith sold 120,000 the first day. 31,500 postmen were needed to delver the book in England.
5-million copies were sold the first day, shattering all records.
--The Wall Street Journal, June 2003.

2003. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix by J.K. Rowling.
9.3 million copies were in print the initial week.
750,000 audiobooks were in print the initial week.
Amazon.com sold the $29.99 book for $12.00
Amazon.com shipped 789,000 the first day.
--Publishers Weekly, June 30, 2003.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Harry Potter Bestsellers
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone: 25.1 million
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets: 22 million
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: 16.7 million
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: 16.3 million
The books have been published in 55 languages and distributed in more than 200 countries.
--The Wall Street Journal, January 16, 2003

For bestseller lists between 1900 and 1995, see
http://www.caderbooks.com/bestintro.html

Also see
http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/information/promote.cfm

Returns

Books are displayed in bookstores for one selling season of four months. Those books that do not sell are returned for a refund. Yes, books may be "gone today, here tomorrow."

Returns are 21-23% for larger publishers according to the AAP.
--Tom Woll in Publishing for Profit.
http://www.publishers.org/industry/index.cfm
TWoll@aol.com

Barnes & Noble had a return rate of 28% for all categories of books in 1996 and 19% in 1997.
--Publishers Weekly Interactive. March 30, 1998.
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

Returns were 23% in 1993.
--Jerrold Jenkins.
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com
http://www.JenkinsGroup.com

The 1997 return rate for new adult trade hardcover books was 36.7% according to the AAP.
--PW Interactive. March 30, 1998.
http://www.publishers.org/industry/index.cfm
http://www.PublishersWeekly.com

A return rate of 15% is considered very good.
--Publishing for Profit by Tom Woll, page 76.
TWoll@aol.com

35% worth of the adult hardcovers shipped to retailers in 1996 were returned in 1996 according to the AAP. The rate was 32% in 1995.
--The Wall Street Journal, May 29, 1997.
http://www.publishers.org/industry/index.cfm
http://online.wsj.com/public/us

Sell-Through. Independent stores sell over 80% of the books they order. Superstores sell 70% of the books they order. Discounters such as Wal-Mart and Sam's Club sell about 60%.
--The Wall Street Journal, May 29, 1997.
http://online.wsj.com/public/us

The industry return rate is 36.3% for hardcover and 25% for soft. B&N returns 19%.
--Brill's Content, July/August 1998.

2002: 37% of the books sent to stores were returned.
www.electronic-publishing.com (http://www.electronic-publishing.com)

Harper-Collins lost more than $250 million in a single year just on returns.
--The New York Times, reported in Booktech the Magazine, March/April 2002

Up to 40% of all books manufactured never sell. Most publishers would rather suffer the costs of over-runs and returns than run short of a title.
--Booktech the Magazine, March/April 2002

Jamesaritchie
11-02-2006, 03:08 AM
There's some crazy, mixed-up numbers in there, starting with the six large US publishers, that's highly misleading, and many of the other numbers are averages, and have no real meaning..

cree
11-02-2006, 07:47 AM
There's some crazy, mixed-up numbers in there, starting with the six large US publishers, that's highly misleading, and many of the other numbers are averages, and have no real meaning..

What exactly is misleading about the six large US publishers? What's your source?

ETA: I'm not defending the stats above, but I'm wondering on what basis you are bashing them?

LeeFlower
11-02-2006, 07:54 AM
keep in mind that Dan Poynter, the man who compiled these statistics, is the author of Dan Poynter's Self Publishing Manual: How To Write, Print, and Sell Your Own Book.

I don't know enough about him to suggest he'd intentionally mislead people (he could be a very nice guy, for all I know), but all statistics are compiled with a bias. That's his.

PeeDee
11-02-2006, 08:03 AM
That was boring. I was bored. It didn't cut to action quick enough, or give me enough backstory about the main character. Also, you were overuing certain words, like "publisher" and "book."

Try to tighten that up in the next draft.

Aside from that, I lost interest halfway through. It was a lot of reading, and it was somewhat dry. You might consider more dialogue to add interest and faster pacing to the work. Plus remember, we have to like these characters, to be able to tell apart "Random House" from "Simon & Schuster"

Okay?

Good.

:D

Tish Davidson
11-02-2006, 08:32 AM
What exactly is misleading about the six large US publishers? What's your source?

ETA: I'm not defending the stats above, but I'm wondering on what basis you are bashing them?

For one thing, both Thomson and Pearson are pretty big publishers that put out lots of titles every year, although both publish non-fiction/reference/education type stuff.

cree
11-02-2006, 08:40 AM
For one thing, both Thomson and Pearson are pretty big publishers that put out lots of titles every year, although both publish non-fiction/reference/education type stuff.

Sure they do, but aren't the six largest conglomerates and their subsidiaries the ones listed above?

I suppose it depends on how you define large -- it could be number of employees for all I know. :)
I am looking for some counter-stats to this listing, if it's incorrect....

kuatolives
11-02-2006, 11:50 AM
I believe every number unconditionally.

seanie blue
11-02-2006, 03:58 PM
Fantastic post. Lots of the references are old, but the bleak prospects for making a living through fiction writing are evident. Thanks for the compilation! Great reading.

The list assumes a net of 10-something % to the writer. Let's be generous and take 10% of gross, with an average price from the list above of around $16. A bestseller sells 5000 copies. So a "bestselling" author brings in $8000. Eight thousand dollars. Fifteen percent of that goes to an agent, and a good lawyer will hit you for two grand over the course of a year for various legal chores.

A good graphic designer or the average union bus driver can bring in $45,000 a year. To make this much money, the average writer would have to have five books achieving bestseller status every year, or maintaining that status every year.

I live in Hollywood. There are two million screenplays in town, looking for a home. Between 20 or 25 total sell every month to the major studios. But everyone is scribbling a screenplay!

The stats generously provided above remind me again that any fiction writer not writing for personal enjoyment is better off buying lottery tickets, or learning Photoshop or driving a bus.

I love writing. I've made an incredibly generous living off of it for years, and I can live where I want and write whatever I want and it's been fifteen years since I've had to meet a deadline or sat down to write something specific for the market or because I needed cash. And it was fifteen years ago when I stopped treating writing as a profession and accepted it as nothing more than a vehicle to express pretty ideas or extravagant schemes. Writing has looked after me ever since. And from the numbers above, I can see why.

MacAllister
11-02-2006, 04:01 PM
A bestseller sells 5000 copies. So a "bestselling" author brings in $8000. Eight thousand dollars. Fifteen percent of that goes to an agent, and a good lawyer will hit you for two grand over the course of a year for various legal chores.
Ummm...a bestseller for which company? 5000 copies isn't that many, frankly. I can't help but wonder where on earth you got this information?

KTC
11-02-2006, 04:07 PM
Mac, in Canada...5,000 is a way big seller. That's what makes the top of our charts. It's guaranteed a literary prize if it sells that much. How pathetic is that!

MacAllister
11-02-2006, 04:12 PM
Ah, okay. Thank you, KTC. It's certainly not true in the States.

KTC
11-02-2006, 04:14 PM
No. That's why these hugely successful books up here don't get recognized in the States. Though...in reality, some sell way more than that. But there is a huge difference.

seanie blue
11-02-2006, 04:25 PM
MacAllister --
I got the info from the same post you read at the top of this thread!
5K in sales is a "bestseller" in the U.S. It's not a mega-seller, but it's a decent performance for most first-time writers. And that's in one year. The idea is with word of mouth your book hangs around and sells 100,000 copies in 20 years. It's still just $8K a year, shared with your agent. But then the idea is that your second book builds on the first, and the third book on the former two, etc., and then you're a professor with two lectures a week in Vermont with 17 titles to your credit and a tidy $75K coming in to augment your teaching income. Or maybe one of your books is made into a movie that does "okay," let's say $10-million in sales, then perhaps a fool will throw $100K at you for another option of your next book, but here's more math:

The $100K option for the second book (the first is lucky to bring in five grand, even if reviewed in the New York Times and called "brilliant") is then subject to an agent's heft of 15%, a manager's share of 5% to 10%, and a lawyer's share of 5% to 15%, leaving as $60K to $175K for the writer, who then almost certainly coughs up 25% of that to federal and state income tax since he's unlikely to have much to write off in a single year. And if the second movie makes money, cool, your third book might be optioned for $150K to 300K, but making money in Hollywood is tough. Edward Norton optioned a "brilliant" book and turned it into a $6-million piece of trash called "Down in the Valley," which grossed last time I checked around $270,000 total, which means Norton and at least one drinking buddy are out some serious cash.

The rage in Hollywood now is to go find some real estate developer in Pennsylvania or Virginia -- those people who cashed in on the land boom the past 10 years -- and get them to finance the movie. Twenty of these turkeys crashed in Hollywood this year, financed by real estate mogul movie wannabes, and the names of everyone attached (all the producers and especially the writers) are trashed.

Very, very few "bestseller" authors can squeeze much out of Hollywood. Check out a fabulous, heartbreaking memoir called LA Diaries by James Brown for a real chilling look at a writer's prospects in tinseltown. The pulp paperback bestsellers like "Message in a Bottle" hve no problem with this, of course, but how many of those are there?

seanie blue
11-02-2006, 04:34 PM
I put the word "bestseller" in quote marks for a reason. The top 10 books on the NYT bestseller lists are generally selling thousands a week, and some of them keep this up for months. Those are blockbusters. Agents brag if a client sells 5000 copies in a year.

Here's a good example of how nebulous the term "bestseller" really is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestseller

Roger J Carlson
11-02-2006, 04:44 PM
From ParaPublishing
http://parapublishing.com/sites/para/resources/statistics.cfm
None of which says anything about a particular author or a particular book. Statistics like this assume that all books are created equal, and this is just not true. A great book has a very good chance of being published, earning out, and becoming a bestseller. A poorly written book has little chance of being published, let alone becoming a bestseller.

It's time to stop obsessing about statistics and write the best book you can.

Lauri B
11-02-2006, 04:55 PM
Seanie Blue,
I can assure you that 5,000 in one year does not a bestseller make.

triceretops
11-02-2006, 04:58 PM
Fiction

5,000 novels, 200 first novels and 100 scripts are purchased each year.
--Ridley Pearson, Maui Writers Conference.
http://www.ridleypearson.com (http://www.ridleypearson.com)


I was okay until I hit this pothole in the road. I don't have a clue of what they're talking about. Surely, this is not to mean that only 200 debue novels see print a year. Do they mean from the largest publishers, discounting all POD markets? Only 5,000 novels published total?

Tri

janetbellinger
11-02-2006, 05:01 PM
Holy! Somebody likes statistics.

seanie blue
11-02-2006, 06:12 PM
Nomad --

But 5000 copies sold is good for a first novel, right? I mean, very good for a first novel? Agents would trumpet that accomplishment, no?

I agree that 5000 is NOT what most people think of when they think "bestseller," but if you hang around the ABA that plateau is cited repeatedly as a wonderful achievement. I agree there is difference in how sellers would look at it compared to writers or readers. Selling 5000 means you get an advance for sure on a second book, and you can write another.

aadams73
11-02-2006, 06:36 PM
Nomad --

But 5000 copies sold is good for a first novel, right? I mean, very good for a first novel? Agents would trumpet that accomplishment, no?


I'd consider myself a failure if my first novel only sold 5000*. 5000 total sales is not a bestseller. Really.

*well maybe not a total failure, but I don't think it bodes all that well.

rtilryarms
11-02-2006, 09:28 PM
MacAllister --
I got the info from the same post you read at the top of this thread!


Actuall the post says "A successful fiction book sells 5,000 copies".

I can understand that statement more than bestseller status.
I agree with most of your other points though.

jpserra
11-02-2006, 09:55 PM
That was boring. I was bored. It didn't cut to action quick enough, or give me enough backstory about the main character. Also, you were overuing certain words, like "publisher" and "book." ...

PeeDee, you changed you Avatar; very nice!

I'm trusting that these are accuate representations of the figures. No wonder it's taken me soooooooo long to get books into publication. Magazines are much easier by comparison.

Nice work, KUATOLIVES. Thank you for sharing.

JPS

p.s. You forgot overuse of the word There !

jpserra
11-02-2006, 09:57 PM
I was okay until I hit this pothole in the road. I don't have a clue of what they're talking about. Surely, this is not to mean that only 200 debue novels see print a year. Do they mean from the largest publishers, discounting all POD markets? Only 5,000 novels published total? ...Tri

I take it these are traditional and POD publishers. The first time publishers would be through the roof.

JPS

PeeDee
11-02-2006, 10:41 PM
I think that POD listings would probably fall into the category of statistics in which you'll find Office Max, Kinkos, and those things. ;)

Rashenbo
11-02-2006, 11:01 PM
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

James D. Macdonald
11-03-2006, 02:23 AM
A bestseller sells 5000 copies.

I want some of what you're smoking. 5,000 copies is okay for a first novel by an unknown.

(5,000 copies in Canada is the equivalent of 50,000 copies in the USA -- Canada's market is about 1/10th of the US market.)

oswann
11-03-2006, 01:00 PM
Stats alone are nearly worthless. I remember a story proclaiming people in the poorer suburbs around Paris were healthier than the national average because statistically they buy less medecine. The fact that they are scared to go to the doctor because they can't pay, are clandestine, don't have a national health card, don't understand the system, etc. etc. wasn't taken into account.


Os.

John61480
11-03-2006, 07:09 PM
In the wikipedia link Seanie Blue left to click on, didn't it say:

In the UK, a hardcover book could be considered a "bestseller" with sales of between 4,000 and 25,000 copies per week, and in Canada, the rule of thumb is 5,000 copies per week, though the number is still relative — a book can be considered a bestseller in relation to other books, without ever reaching that threshold.

So really what they're saying is you gotta sell this mucho amount every week for so many weeks to be a bestseller. I'd imagine 5000 copies of a book sold in a year or two could be achieved by a POD.

James D. Macdonald
11-03-2006, 08:25 PM
I'd imagine 5000 copies of a book sold in a year or two could be achieved by a POD.

On average a PoD sells 75 copies. I suppose that a really hot one could sell 150.

K_Woods
11-03-2006, 09:58 PM
It's cause all them moose don't read much.

A moose once bit m...aaah, forget it!*

On topic, what exactly is the threshhold of bestsellerdom in the US -- is it a fixed number, or more a matter of getting onto the right charts, e.g. the NYT Bestseller list?

___
*The author of this post notes she doesn't have a sister anyway, and her brother has more sense than to get bitten by a moose. The fire ants, on the other hand, were not his fault.

Roger J Carlson
11-03-2006, 10:05 PM
By definition, a bestseller is a book that has made it to a bestseller list. Most major newspapers have one, the New York Times being the most prominent. However, Barnes and Noble and Amazon also have bestseller lists and I think Wallmart does too.

PublishersMarketplace.com has a composite bestseller list where it not only lists books that have made one or more bestseller lists, but also which lists it made.

veinglory
11-03-2006, 10:07 PM
I know it is a broken record, but small press PoDs can sell hundreds and low thousands pretty routinely -- c.f. self-PoDs.

Silverhand
11-03-2006, 10:18 PM
Other people might not like these stats, but I appreciate them. From a sheer marketing stand point, it at least gives me some ballpark figures to work with. Thank you.

kuatolives
11-04-2006, 02:01 AM
The stat I'm interested in, and is not represented in all of that, is just how many(few) people determine what gets published (over a certain threshold of copies.)

ie how many people have the power to say 'yes, we will publish this.'
I'd bet the number is shockingingly low.

How many people determine what you read?

icerose
11-04-2006, 02:39 AM
ie how many people have the power to say 'yes, we will publish this.'
I'd bet the number is shockingingly low.



It's a lot higher than it used to be and that's a BAD thing. Because you are conferring the power of choice to bean counters over editors, so an otherwise promising book is now being rejected because of bean counters, however at the same time the volume of books getting published is much higher but so are submissions, but again most submissions are irrelevant because they are unedited crud. So it's all a big circle with every little detail effecting the other. It all comes down to writing the best book you can that has something that snaps the public's attention toward your book and holds it there.

emeraldcite
11-04-2006, 03:14 AM
I agree with icerose:

I'm betting that the marketers have more say than the editors.

Editor says, "Hey, this is a great read. Let's publish this."
Marketing says, "Hey, [wo]man, we can't sell this. No way."
Editor says, "But..."
Marketing says, "Shhhh...zipit."

L.Jones
11-04-2006, 04:33 PM
I agree with icerose:

I'm betting that the marketers have more say than the editors.



Someone else may have evidence to the contrary, but my experience (with Harlequin/Silhouette/SteepleHill/MIRA Books, Avon (Harper Collins) Waterbrook (Random House) Multnomh and Guideposts) that is Not the case. Editors aquire manuscripts, marketing comes in after the book is bought.

Editors still love books. They still want to find a gem. They will, at times, still buy books they know will not likely be bestsellers because they love them so. They still fight for authors they like and believe in.

It's still not the kind of business you can define by a list of outdated stats. They were interesting (I followed links and tired to figure them out) but won't be particularly relavant next week/month/year when your manuscript crosses the transom.

annie jones (coming Nov 28 - Sisterhood of The Queen Mamas (FYI title not mine, chosen for marketing reasons, it's growing on me) "Engaging... Laugh out Loud Funny" - Publisher's Weekly)

emeraldcite
11-05-2006, 04:49 AM
Okay, I pruned this thread folks. You can find the outtakes here (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45599).

Let's play nice and stay on topic. Thanks!