What do you do when you don't read?

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I know you become a better writer by reading lots of good books, but what are you supposed to do when you don't like to read?
I mean I do like to read, but I like to read NONFICTION. Really, it takes a REAL good fiction story to pull me in, and theres not many of them that spark my attnetion, either that or I'm too busy reading a superb nonfiction book.

Is there anyone else with the same issue? I picked up a really well written fiction book and I realized, "Damn, I know I can't get this good unless I read." How am I supposed to be a better writer when I don't read most fiction?
 

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I guess I can't see why anyone would want to write fiction when they don't like to read it.
 

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What's good?

Vaxil said:
I know you become a better writer by reading lots of good books, but what are you supposed to do when you don't like to read?
I mean I do like to read, ... How am I supposed to be a better writer when I don't read most fiction?

I've had trouble finding good fiction, lately. Each one I picked up seemed to fall apart in my hands. I think it's difficult to enjoy writing, when you do it for a living. I know, I have trouble turning off the editor in my head when I read, and it inhibits the process. One thing I did do was change the genre I was reading. This helped a little. I went to SciFi, and I write Mystery/Thriller. When you are always comparing to a standard, then the freedom of investment in the work is lost.

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jpserra said:
One thing I did do was change the genre I was reading. This helped a little. I went to SciFi, and I write Mystery/Thriller. When you are always comparing to a standard, then the freedom of investment in the work is lost.

It works differently for me. I've been working on Fantasy lately and reading quite a bit (Gaiman, Barker and LOTR). Reading the area I'm writing in inspires me and puts me in the mood for my story and characters.

As for the original question...I don't know. If I'm not actually writing, I'm reading or thinking about what I'm working on.
 

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aadams73 said:
I guess I can't see why anyone would want to write fiction when they don't like to read it.

I don't like reading fantasy but I'm writing a fantasy novel. Heck, I don't really read anymore. I used to read incessantly, then stopped because like jpserra my editor clicks in and well... a lot of writers just aren't very good.

My suggestion to Vaxil? Read the classics. Anything 19th century; it can get boring, but it'll improve your writing skills. Vocabularly and sentence structure. That sort of thing. There's nothing wrong with non-fiction; it can be extremely stimulating. I'm currently perusing a book about North American perching birds.
 

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I don't mean to be rude here, and you should consider that as I type, it's morning, and I don't generally do mornings, but....

That's like saying I wanna be a composer, but that music stuff, it's just too noisy to have to sit and listen to.

If you plan to write fiction but don't like to read fiction, a) how will you be able to read your own fiction ('cos you have to read your own fiction many many times during the rewrite stage); and b) how will you know if you are any good if you have no frame of reference from other works of fiction you have read?

The thing to remember is that writing, while by no means ditch digging, is a job. It's got its own grind. It isn't sitting down, pounding a keyboard for a few days and HUZZAR! a materpiece springs fully formed from your consciousness. You have to work at it. Work hard. And if it's the first thing you've actually written, come to a slow realization (likely as not when you have finished your third big project) that the thing you worked so hard on at the start, really really sucks.

But if you can do the work... oh, the payback!
 

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Éclairer said:
I don't like reading fantasy but I'm writing a fantasy novel.

If you don't like reading fantasy, why write a fantasy novel? I'm not being snarky, I just don't get it.


Heck, I don't really read anymore. I used to read incessantly, then stopped because like jpserra my editor clicks in and well... a lot of writers just aren't very good.

Oh dear.
 

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wordmonkey said:
If you plan to write fiction but don't like to read fiction, a) how will you be able to read your own fiction ('cos you have to read your own fiction many many times during the rewrite stage); and b) how will you know if you are any good if you have no frame of reference from other works of fiction you have read?

The thing to remember is that writing, while by no means ditch digging, is a job. It's got its own grind. It isn't sitting down, pounding a keyboard for a few days and HUZZAR! a materpiece springs fully formed from your consciousness. You have to work at it. Work hard. And if it's the first thing you've actually written, come to a slow realization (likely as not when you have finished your third big project) that the thing you worked so hard on at the start, really really sucks.

I fully agree with this statement. If anyone has been coincidental enough to have read most of my posts, they'll notice I mention Stephen King a lot. That's because I'm using him as a frame of reference as I read his volume of works (again for the second time. The last time I read his earlier works was 15 years ago, so I think I was due for another run eventually...) And I do believe it has been a grind at times. Pulling my hair out in realization about certain grammar rules, word choices, phrases etc. I've already had to chuck several voluminous manuscipts, many short stories and a handful of screenplays after learning the ropes (and continuing to learn) on plot development and writing and narrative style.

It sucks to chuck. That is the ultimate "F" "U" to yourself as an individual. All that time spent is now in the dump, or worse, hanging around in your file cabinet, waiting to be perused by you. Bad still, knowing all the people you showed it too and regret it in embarassing passion, much akin to getting pantsed in the back of the gym when only a few are looking.

So I read to see how and why it works. One of the trickiest things I have now realized is the editing. Just from reading. I have come to grips with why:

"He had taken" is better served with the words: "He took"----at least for my writing. Might not work for yours.

That is what I learned from reading Stephen King's Salem's Lot, his second published novel. All that stuff was never caught on my radar until I actually looked at my sentences and noticed a drastic difference...why does his sentences look better in paperback form, or heck, even hardback? Well, because he omits needless words. Now, as of today, I'm going back and editing my stuff to ratchet up the professional level.

I hear omit needless words; I've looked it over and studied it in Elements of Style. I've noticed it on the message boards too. But really, it has only impacted me when I seen it performed in—when I was at my most vulnerable and impressionable—a book I was reading.

Monkey See, Monkey Do.
 

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aadams73 said:
If you don't like reading fantasy, why write a fantasy novel? I'm not being snarky, I just don't get it. Oh dear.

Because it's fun.

And reading it is not. Why, you ask? I don't really like most of the fantasy worlds that have been thought up.
 
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To clarify: it's not as if I have never read a fantasy book. I have read the classics, ie: The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, The Hobbit, Peter Pan.
 

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Reading is critical to writing. All types of reading. Now these last few years (as a writer) after I was taught to read critically for the craft I do not necessarily enjoy reading for relaxation as I find myself constantly analyzing. Why does this work? Why does this not work? What was the author's intension? I study excellent plot arcs and crappy plot arcs.
I am in the last stages of editing for my agent. If I had not read to the degree I have - I would not understand her suggestions to "tighten the middle" to reduce second act sag and create more of an arc with one aspect of the plot (among other things). This is not rewriting. It is tweaking. Perfecting. I would not understand this if I had not seen books that I stopped reading after the first fifty pages and had to force myself to finish or when I have been dissatisfied with a book and tried to figure out why.
All this is from reading.
Your genre.
Other genres.
Award winners and trash.
JMHO
 

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ORION said:
Reading is critical to writing. It is tweaking. Perfecting. I would not understand this if I had not seen books that I stopped reading after the first fifty pages and had to force myself to finish or when I have been dissatisfied with a book and tried to figure out why.

True.

Reading is imperative.

I apologize to aadams73 if I gave the impression I didn't read; I'm just in a reading slump right now. I grew up reading everything and anything. Thanks to the sheer volumn of books I've read, I can afford to take a momentary break from reading. And again, it's not as if I don't read at all; just not a whole lot of fiction, lately.
 

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I think I know what you are getting at. I do not read as much now as I used to simply because it is not as enjoyable - or rarely so. This is because I am no longer able to just lose myself in a book. I am always analyzing. I think there is a point in your writing that you pause in your reading to more fully immerse yourself in your own voice. This is a momentary break and yes I think we all misunderstood your post.
My agent has been recommending books for me to read - so have my mentor authors. They are like homework. For the craft.
Being reluctant to do this is only temporary and will pass.
Good luck
 
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Vaxil said:
I know you become a better writer by reading lots of good books, but what are you supposed to do when you don't like to read?

Quit. Harsh, but how on Earth anyone can expect to become a writer when they have such disdain for the written word I don't know.

Vaxil said:
How am I supposed to be a better writer when I don't read most fiction?

See above.
 

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I don't know, I can think of plenty of writers who primarily read non-fiction (Terry Pratchett, for example). Nothing wrong with that. If you need a really good fiction book to suck you in, then the smartest advice is to find really good fiction books. Maybe you're trying to read on a plane that just doesn't interest you. There's all manner of books that I own which I'll never read, because I can't slog through them, no matter how good they sound.
 

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Quit. Harsh, but how on Earth anyone can expect to become a writer when they have such disdain for the written word I don't know.

That struck me less as disdain and more as puzzled perplexion.
 

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Perplexion?!

Oh you and your makey-up words! :)

I typed it into Yahoo, where I discovered a web-site full of "discrete nudity" and went running away quickly.

Is this not the proper way to change the tense of "perplexed?"

Why do all y'all gotta bring me down?
 

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If that was the case,then nobody would ever have started writing. There had to be one person before anybody had ever written anything before, who took a stab in the dark and wrote the first book. Although I think it's helpful to read books and love to read myself, I think some people can write books without also reading.

scarletpeaches said:
Quit. Harsh, but how on Earth anyone can expect to become a writer when they have such disdain for the written word I don't know.



See above.
 

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Éclairer said:
I apologize to aadams73 if I gave the impression I didn't read; I'm just in a reading slump right now. I grew up reading everything and anything. Thanks to the sheer volumn of books I've read, I can afford to take a momentary break from reading. And again, it's not as if I don't read at all; just not a whole lot of fiction, lately.

Fair enough. I guess I'm just still stumped(and it's not your fault, it's mine) as to why someone who doesn't like any genre would choose to write in that genre. And I can't imagine ever wanting to take a break from reading. (I'm the type of person who reads the condiment labels--hey wait, does that count as reading non-fiction? :) )
 

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aadams73 said:
Fair enough. I guess I'm just still stumped(and it's not your fault, it's mine) as to why someone who doesn't like any genre would choose to write in that genre. And I can't imagine ever wanting to take a break from reading. (I'm the type of person who reads the condiment labels--hey wait, does that count as reading non-fiction? :) )

I guess it'll sound like some mystic mamsy-pamsy, but sometimes you don't have a choice. I wrote a western story a couple months ago because the idea was there and it needed to be put down on paper. I don't like westerns, generally.

There is a large body of fantasy work which I dislike, yet I guess I am primarily a fantasy writer (somewhere in the place between sci-fi/fantasy/horror/mainstream......)
 
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