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Saundra Julian

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A small press publisher, who has read a portion of my new WIP, wants me to make it a romance novel. (She publishes romance!)

I write women's fiction and never wanted to write romance because you are always locked into that HEA ending.

Do you think I should give it a try or stay with the genre I really like?
 

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I am not sure I could say much on that. To my mind the quality of the publisher and the extend of change necessary would be the main factors to consider.
 

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I concur with VG... honestly, for a small publisher, I don't think I'd make any big changes.

But I'm probably not qualified to offer an opinion, since I don't write or read romance. What do the romance writers here have to say?
 

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She likes it but she wants you to change it substantially? Sounds like she wants a different book, not your book.

Also, if you write something that you actively don't want to write, I think it might well come across to the reader that this writing was a chore to you. Another also, if you write this as a romance then you'll have to write all subsequent books (unless you rebrand yourself under a pseudonym) as romances too as that'll be your 'brand'.

So think about all that before you go for it.

I'm with the others who think that if she likes it that much, others will too.
 

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Saundra Julian said:
A small press publisher, who has read a portion of my new WIP, wants me to make it a romance novel. (She publishes romance!)

I write women's fiction and never wanted to write romance because you are always locked into that HEA ending.

Do you think I should give it a try or stay with the genre I really like?

If you haven't been published yet, consider what a publishing credit will do for your ability to find an agent or a next publisher.

Also, it depends on how much "romancy" the publisher wants to make it. If the end novel (except for the cheesy ending) is still something you'd be proud to put your name on it, it might be a good entre.

This might be a matter of practicality.
 

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It depends on how you feel. If your heart isn’t into writing romance then I wouldn’t bother. The stories come to me, not the other way around. Also, is there a lot of change needed to make it into a romance novel? Are you against HEA endings?

I agree with Tracy. Think about questions and change before committing. Good Luck.
 

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I'm always open to suggestions, but only up to a point. What I mean is, if there's a scene or a character or a subplot in something I've written, which I not sure about, and an editor or critter suggests something that'll improve it, I'll make the change. But if they're suggesting something that'll alter the story beyond what I originally had in mind, then I resist.
 
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I'm not that far into the book...chapter four ...so I would not have to change anything, but I would have to do "the HEA ending" if I make it a romance...

Thanks for your comments. They all have merit and will give me something to think about.
 

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Saundra Julian said:
I'm not that far into the book...chapter four ...so I would not have to change anything, but I would have to do "the HEA ending" if I make it a romance...

Thanks for your comments. They all have merit and will give me something to think about.

You could write the book she wants, publish it....and then take your original women's fiction story and write THAT. With very few small changes, I bet you would wind up with two completely seperate books.

That said, you shoudl do whatever feels right, which is a useless sappy answer, but it's what I've got.
 

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Theo Neel said:
If you haven't been published yet, consider what a publishing credit will do for your ability to find an agent or a next publisher.

Also, it depends on how much "romancy" the publisher wants to make it. If the end novel (except for the cheesy ending) is still something you'd be proud to put your name on it, it might be a good entre.

This might be a matter of practicality.

HEA's aren't "cheesy." I'm getting the definite impression that you think writing romance is something to not be proud of.
 

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Not all romance novels have an HEA ending. Take Judith McNaught's A Knight in Shining Armor- eventually, the protagonist and her lover from another time are separated.

So you might be able to write it without the HEA ending if writing one bothers you.
 

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sammyig said:
Not all romance novels have an HEA ending. Take Judith McNaught's A Knight in Shining Armor- eventually, the protagonist and her lover from another time are separated.

So you might be able to write it without the HEA ending if writing one bothers you.

Actually, that was Jude Devereaux. Sorry, had to point that out! =)

She DOES get an HEA, though, just not in the expected way. Or rather, the expectation of an HEA.
 

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By contemporary definition, romance does have a happy ending. And romance is a sub-category of women's fiction, although women's fiction generally is used to refer to stories where the focus is more on a woman's experience, which may include romance, but the romance is less of a focus than other aspects of the protagonist's life.

I never much liked A Knight In Shining Armor, b/c while it purports to have a happy ending (the hero is reincarnated and the h/h meet again in contemporary times), I thought it was a sad ending, b/c the hero had to live out his sad, solitary life in the past before being reincarnated.

OTOH, I don't find the happy ending all that restrictive. Most genres have happy endings, in some sense. In mysteries, generally the bad guy is at least identified, if not jailed, which restores order and justice. Most of the sf/f I've read (with the exception of a really fascinating pair of books by Jacqueline Carey -- Banewreaker and Godslayer) have had happy endings for the protagonist, if not for the entire cast (and some of the cast in a romance can have a sad ending, just not the h/h). Most commercial fiction has a happy ending, at least in the sense of the protagonist surviving and saving the world or whatever his goal is. It's only in literary fiction where sad endings are rampant.

Perhaps think of it as a "satisfying" ending, rather than a happy ending, and you might view it as less of a restriction. Even in women's fiction, most of the time, the ending is upbeat to some extent. Even if the character dies, she's learned something in the process, or has come to a peace with respect to her life or whatever, so it's satisfying. It's not happy as in everyone singing "Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's off to work we go," or whistling while they work, but it's satisfying, in that she's accomplished something and is content. Think of happy or satisfying as the opposite of nihilistic -- where the protagonist has gone through this big struggle, all for nothing, because life and even the struggle turn out to be pointless. The world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper. Anything that's not that grim could be considered at least a satisfying ending, if not entirely happy.

Notwithstanding that, if you don't read romance, if you don't "get" romance, then don't write it, b/c writing is hard enough already, and if you want to make money doing something you don't enjoy, there are plenty of better ways to do it. If you don't feel passionate about what you write, and no one's offering you a huge amount of money to write something you don't like, then why do it?

JD
 

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Bear in mind that some of the romance small presses don't insist on the classic Happy Ever After -- mine is quite content with what they call happy-for-now endings, which is fortunate for me as that's what I write.

And if the natural course of the novel is a romance plot, write it and see what happens. It may be that a happy-for-now is what works for the story. If it's actually the right ending, don't push it away just because you think of it as a stereotyped or compulsory ending. I'm not saying this because I'm a romance writer, because in fact I'm primarily a science fiction writer, and a lot of the stuff I've written does not in any way qualify as a romance. It's just that the portion that does has a publisher very happy to take it on.

While I've occasionally tweaked a story to better fit it to a market, it's "tweak", not "wholesale changes". So I'd say be open to the possibility of writing it as a romance rather than ruling it out because of the HEA thing, but don't do it if it's going to mean major changes in what the story is about and where it goes.
 

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Write your story, not someone else's version of your story. Someone has shown interest. Chances are someone else will as well. While you are playing the submission game, start writing your next story.
 

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Sassenach said:
HEA's aren't "cheesy." I'm getting the definite impression that you think writing romance is something to not be proud of.

Some HEA's are quite cheesy. Some aren't.

Don't get me wrong. I used "cheesy" because I sensed (perhaps bad intuition on my part) that the original poster was concerned about a HEA somehow degrading her work. Pure projection on my part. My bad.

I definitely implied that there is a lot of room in the romance category for books we'd all be proud to write.

Like any genre, there's also a lot of room in romance (and fantasy, sci fi, mystery, etc.) to write books that we wouldn't be proud to put our names on.

That you'd go from my post to "the definite impression that you think writing romance is something not to be proud of" gives me the definite impression you're jumping on me because my name is Theo. :)
 

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Theo Neel said:
That you'd go from my post to "the definite impression that you think writing romance is something not to be proud of" gives me the definite impression you're jumping on me because my name is Theo. :)

Nah, we jump on a lot of people who use romance and cheesy in the same sentence. <G> It's a knee-jerk reaction. :)

Susan G.
 

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I don't believe romances are "cheesy"...How could they be with the readership they have in the marketplace?
I just don't want to be locked into a formula because I never know where my muse will lead me... And yes, this publisher has stated that a HEA is an essential ending for all her books. She even said that without the HEA, it's not a romance.

I happen to think Gone With The Wind is a great romance novel....but the ending certainly isn't a happy one!
 

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That's what I commented to, I thought she wanted a HEA ending and would not publish other endings...then I thought I might have been wrong and said I had a blonde moment. Perhaps my moment was not so blonde after all?
 

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There is a difference in "romance" meaning a story in which there is romantic love, and "romance" as a genre category by which books are shelved (HEA required). Many love stories are shelved in other areas--you know by context which way the word is being used.
 

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If you have a definite idea about what this story is going to be, I wouldn't change it. You could always write another story, make it romance, and send that in to them if it seems they like your work generally.
 
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