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Does anyone know if there was/is a traditional number of Gabriel ratchets/hounds. I saw one mention of seven to equate to the number of cardinal sins?
 
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Veinglory I can't get to the right book to check this at the moment, but you want the Stith-Thompson Folklore Motif Index. If you poke me, in a PM I can check this for you when I'm at home.
 

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I've got a feeling it's seven too - but I couldn't swear to it.
 

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Oxford Dictionary of Folklore and Mythology:
Gabriel Hounds, Gabriel Ratchets . In northern counties, the name Gabble or Gabriel Ratchets was applied to a strange yelping sound heard in the sky at night, supposedly a death omen. The name, first recorded around 1665, implies a link with the dogs of the Wild Hunt, ‘ratchet’ being an old word for a type of hound. In Cleveland, the explanation given was that ‘a gentleman of the olden times was so strangely fond of hunting that, on his deathbed, he ordered his hounds all to be killed and buried at the same time and in the same tomb as himself’, and therefore he and they still hunt as ghosts (J. C. Atkinson, The Gentleman's Magazine (1866), part II, 189); in Derbyshire, that a squire persisted in hunting on Sundays, and once drove his pack into a church, for which sin he is condemned to ride out on stormy nights for ever (N&Q 11s:5 (1912), 296–7). Some informants, however, spoke of spectral birds with glowing eyes which showed themselves (singly) to those who had a friend or relative close to death, shrieking mournfully; others, of ghosts of unbaptized babies flitting round their parents' homes.

It is generally agreed that the sounds are really bird cries: curlews, widgeon, teal, or wild geese. ‘Gabble’ is a good word for this noise, which would explain the name; however, ‘Gabriel’ is supported by a Derbyshire belief from the mid-19th century that ‘the angel Gabriel was hunting … [the damned] and that the cries were uttered as the lash of the angel's whip urged them along’ (N&Q 7s (1886), 206).

Oxford Dictionary of Superstions
GABRIEL'S HOUNDS/SEVEN WHISTLERS

1590 SPENSER Faerie Queene II XII 36. The Whistler shrill, that who so heares, doth dy.

c. 1700 KENNETT MS Lands. 1033 (Cath. Angl. 147 n.) At Wednesbury in Staffordshire, the colliers going to their pits early in the morning hear the noise of a pack of hounds in the air, to which they give the name of Gabriel's Hounds, though the more sober and judicious take them only to be wild geese making this noise in their flight.

1807 WORDSWORTH Misc. Sonnets II XXIX. He the seven birds hath seen, that never part, Seen the Seven Whistlers in their nightly rounds, And counted them: and oftentimes will start—For overhead are sweeping Gabriel's Hounds Doomed, with their impious Lord, the flying Hart To chase for ever, on aerial grounds!

1856 Gents Mag. pt. I 38. Not many years ago at Suckley … the country people used to talk … about ‘The Seven Whistlers’, and that they oftentimes at night heard six out of these … pass over their heads … When the seven should whistle together there would be an end of the world … Leicestershire colliers … when they hear ‘the whistlers’ will not venture below ground, thinking that death to some one is foreboded.

1860 F. BUCKLAND Curiosities of Natural History 2nd ser. 286–7 [Folkstone, Kent] The ‘Seven Whistlers’ … ‘I never thinks any good of them,’ said old Smith; ‘there's always an accident when they comes. I heard 'em once one dark night last winter. They come over our heads … singing 'ewe-ewe’, and the men in the boat wanted to go back … Before morning, a boat was upset, and seven poor fellows drowned. I know what makes the noise, sir; it's them long-bill'd curlews; but I never likes to hear them.

1866 HENDERSON Northern Counties 98. When a child was burned to death in Sheffield, a few years ago, the neighbours immediately called to mind how the Gabriel hounds had passed above the house not long before.

1880 Gents Mag. 493 [Lancs.] These spectre hounds are locally termed ‘Gabriel Ratchets’, and are supposed to foretell death or misfortune to all who hear their sound. )"GABRIEL'S HOUNDS/SEVEN WHISTLERS" A Dictionary of Superstitions. Ed. Iona Opie and Moira Tatem. Oxford University Press, 1996. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press.)
 

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Thanks for that! I appreciate you takign the time to look it up.

It seems that if there is to be a number, seven seems a good choice. I am being a little Catholic in modelling them after the seven virtues and sending them out to hunt on Martinmas.

I am using this quite loosely in an urban fantasy but it strikes me as an interesting area to mine for a thriller or mystery...
 

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I confess. It was the Mary Stewart novel I thought of when I read the thread title.

Medievalist, I didn't realise it connected to the Seven Whistlers. Margery Allingham had a mystery involving that legend and (being ignorant) I thought she made it up. Cool to find out it's a real legend.
 

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I only knew of the Hounds tangentially, via Mary Stewart, and people assuming that it's the same as the Wild Hunt
 

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I am having a little fling with Catholicised mythology at the moment. I never did read that Mary Stewart thought, I'm only into her for the Merlin stories.
 

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Veinglory have you seen her retelling of the medieval were wolf tale Bisclavret?
 

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Stewart's were wolf book is called A Walk In Wolf Wood; I read it more than twenty years ago; it's a kids book, though I had it in mind as a YA, and derived from Bisclavret, the Amazon summary doesn't sound like that.

I should translate the medieval Irish were wolf tales.
 

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Er, sorry about all this but...

wasn't Mary Stewart's book 'Gabriel Hounds' one of her romantic thrillers and not actually about the Gabriel hounds.

Mediaevalist, the Wild Hunt is Herne's pack, but didn't the Gabriel hounds run with them one night a year?
 

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I honestly dont know if this applies to your research or not....but here goes..
Some religions, Judaism, Christianity (and also some types of mythology) have certain "mythological connotations" with certain numbers.

For instance the number seven represents nature and the cycle of nature. (seven days in the week etc.)
The number eight being one greater than seven (obviously) represents that which is above nature. The mystical, the Godly etc. (One of the mystical reasons for the Brit Milah (circumscision) in Judaism to take place on the 8th day. And on and on.
One represents God for it is the first of all Primes.

etc etc.

Dont know if that will help....but just a short ramble...
 

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pdr said:
wasn't Mary Stewart's book 'Gabriel Hounds' one of her romantic thrillers and not actually about the Gabriel hounds.

It's not "about" them, no, but there's some discussion of the legend.

Mediaevalist, the Wild Hunt is Herne's pack, but didn't the Gabriel hounds run with them one night a year?

Yes, but not until several hundred years later.
 

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Oh botheration!

I hoped you'd say, Mediaevalist, that the Gabriel Hounds were a cleaned up, Christianised version of the Wild Hunt hounds. An attempt to make Herne and his hunt disappear from areas of rural Britain where belief in Herne still held sway.
 

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I hoped you'd say, Mediaevalist, that the Gabriel Hounds were a cleaned up, Christianised version of the Wild Hunt hounds. An attempt to make Herne and his hunt disappear from areas of rural Britain where belief in Herne still held sway.

That would be sweet, wouldn't it! But I can't prove it, so I'm not assertin' it.
 

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I remember the Mary Stewert book quite well. The mythology is discussed, but it tangetially related to the story or romantic suspense. It's one of her better romantic suspense novels (IMHO) along with Airs Above the Ground. :)

Cool idea for an urban fantasy, emily!
 

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Chicken! Thought so.

Actually, if you really want to know, I think we've got three cultural myths combining.

The Wild Hunt is Celtic as it's exhibited in English legend (there's a Germanic form, too, of course); Herne is Germanic, and I suspect, but can't prove, that in origin the Gabriel Hounds are Anglo-Norman, in part because the hound, a rachet, derived from brachet, was a type introduced by the Normans.
 

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I have had the idea in mind since I was 7 or 8 years old. I recall a non-fiction book which suggested that the hounds were one for each cardinal sin and hunted down those guilty of that sin. I've tried painting them several times but never produced anything good enough to keep. Funny how some ideas stick with you. I am now dropping werewolf mythos into the mix, stir and serve with sourdough bread...
 
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