(Un)Motivated Protagonists

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My writing group recently critiqued my WIP and gave me this feedback: my main character lacks motivation! I'll skip the synopsis, but my MC is an ordinary guy with a lackluster life who finds himself thrown into extraordinary events and forced into action. He is kind of a jack*ss, so my group told me that though the plot was strong, they did not sympathize with his struggle. This is part of the MC's character arc, but my group insisted that a caustic protag needs a strong purpose in order to be empathetic.

But I love my MC! What do you guys think? Has anyone had any experience with less-than-lovable MCs whom they grew to love? What makes them un/sympathetic? Thanks for your feedback!
 
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If he's forced into action as you say, this would make him appear passive (to me at least). It's all very well YOU liking him, but if the readers don't, then...they pay your wages.

Maybe he lets things happen to him, rather than making things happen himself?
 

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What I can't figure out is, why every main character has to be sympathetic. That's terribly unrealistic.

I've had the same criticism, and for a character I actually intended to be unsympathetic.

I don't know if that's the same thing as having a character with no motivation though. Unsympathetic people can be motivated to do things too. I think errors of motivation are one of the toughest things about writing. I wish I had an answer to this question.
 
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I've read books told from a killer's point of view and I end up rooting for them!

Now THAT'S a sympathetic character.

Or am I just weird?
 

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civilian chic said:
This is part of the MC's character arc, but my group insisted that a caustic protag needs a strong purpose in order to be empathetic.

Well, it's important to realize that the strong purpose can actually work against the story for a while- one of my favorite MC's of all time, Thomas Covenant, spends the first two books of his series actively trying to get away from the demands of the fantasy environment he finds himself in. That's sort of an extreme case, since Covenant is very difficult to like, but I think it helps to know that "strong purpose" doesn't necessarily mean "positive purpose."

I've never had a problem being empathetic with challenging characters, so this sort of stuff always confuses me- but maybe you could try and make the arc clearer? If a reader understands that the character they're reading won't be a jerk forever, they might be more willing to go along with him or her; and by making it readily apparent that you, as a writer, believe that the character needs to change, it's easier for the reader to see what's happening.

The book I just wrote, part of the point was that the MC just let himself be led along by the situation because he was a teenager and wasn't willing to invest himself in the world; but even with that, he still made a few difficult choices that showed he was capable of thinking for himself, he just wasn't quite ready to go all the way with it.
 

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It doesn't matter if YOU love your protagonist, if your readers don't. They don't have to like your protagonist, but they should care enough about what happens to him. If they don't understand his motivation, and if they think he's just a jerk, then why would they care what happens? Conflict and tension are essential to a good story, and that means we have to know why everything matters to the protagonist. If it doesn't matter to him, then it doesn't matter to us.
 

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Passivity is one thing, lack of motivation is another entirely. Everyone has some kind of motivation - even if it's simply a reason to remain passive (lack of confidence, depression, feeling helpless).

I can sympathise with a protagonist who is so crippled with self doubt that they can't take control of a situation, I can't sympathise with a protagonist who just lets things happen around them because they are lazy (for example).

Unless a character has something else going for them, like a great sense of humor, I don't think you're going to carry the reader with them through their story.
 

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I had encountered this criticism quite frequently with one of my own MC's, whom just happens to be a character I've always loved. I always characterized him as basically a vain and arrogant jerk, but with a sort of comic vulnerability about him, and this is the characteristic that saves him from being totally unlikeable (and lest we forget, one of the most beloved heroines of all time--Scarlett O'Hara--certainly wasn't the most "likeable" person in the world, either). And, as with your character, my MC goes through an arc in which he undergoes much change--and in the end, becomes, if not a better person, at least one more capable of giving and receiving love.

However, I did encounter much of the same criticism. I tended to dismiss it as "knee-jerk" criticism from readers who had not allowed enough time to really get to know the character, and there may be something to be said for this. But the truth, whather we like it or not, is that we only have a few chosen passages in the very beginning to either hook the reader or lose them. In the last few months, I've been working hard on the screenplay version of my novel, and one thing the new medium has forced me to do is to pare much of the material down and to highly concentrate what I do have, including the essence of my character's personalities. What I have found as a result is that much more of what I have called this character's "comic vulnerability" is being allowed to shine through, much more perceptively and much earlier in the story. As a result, even with his pompous qualities still intact, he is much more likeable from the get-go, or--I think(hope) at least intriguing enough to make the reader want to know more about him. And I now feel that I have a much better grasp of how to handle the character when I go back to work on my revision of the book.

So this might be one suggestion. Don't make your character over into something he's not, but perhaps try playing up whatever good qualities he has much earlier in the story, and let us see them. A well-known screenwriter once told me, several years ago, that a key is to have your character perform some act of kindness within the first ten minutes of the story (or, in the case of a novel, probably within the first few pages). He said it could be something as simple and inane as putting out a bowl of milk for a stray cat on the doorstep--in other words, something to show us this person, no matter how crusty, has some qualities we can empathize with.

Don't know if this really addresses the motivation issue, but it's at least something to think about if too many people are calling your MC unsympathetic. Another example I can think of is the MC Jack Nicholson played in "About Schmidt." The character was basically a curmudgeon and the epitome of an aimless man with no direction in life and nothing really good to say about anything or anyone, yet the story is propelled into motion when he begins sending checks to a "starving child" in Africa, which of course becomes his real redemption in the end. I think readers will be much more willing to give the benefit of the doubt if--as someone else on this board previously pointed out--you give enough hints and indications early on that this character has hope. Readers like to have some indication of such hope before they invest heavily in a character; to feel that there is going to be some "pay off" in the end that will make sticking with them worthwhile.
 

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I agree with the commentor above who said that being passive doesn't necessarily mean a character lacks motivation. Why is your character passive? Someone else brought up Thomas Covenant, whom I disliked so much I threw the book across the room and avoided the author thereafter-- but there hae been many other examples of unsympathetic protagonists who have made their mark on literature all over the world. What you have to make sure of is not that he's sympathetic or likeable or affable or even driven by a greater power-- but that he's interesting. I never read about a more interesting guy than Hannibal Lechter, for example, even though I'd hesitate to invite him over for dinner!
 

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empathy

It's empathy that matters, not sympathy. If redaers do not care what happens to your protagonist, why would they keep reading?
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
It's empathy that matters, not sympathy. If redaers do not care what happens to your protagonist, why would they keep reading?

To see what happens to the people around him that are motivated ala A Christmas Carol or some other story where a protagonist is dragged kicking and screaming through the story.

Nobody has sympathy or empathy for the protagonist Scrooge, nor does he really have anything to do with the story going on around him, other than the effects he's had on people.

The protagonist should change as a result of the actions going on around him, as Scrooge does, but as long as there are motivated characters and characters around that people can empathize with, they will keep reading.

Empathy nor sympathy in the protagonist is a prerequisite to holding one's interest.
 

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I think I was working through a similar situation. My MC's life? So what. What happens if she doesn't meet her goal/get what she wants? Nothing. What motivated her? Not much. How did she evolve? She didn't. What was her purpose? Um.. her what? And why should anyone care?
I had to rethink my MC and make her human.
 

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kuatolives said:
To see what happens to the people around him that are motivated ala A Christmas Carol or some other story where a protagonist is dragged kicking and screaming through the story.

Nobody has sympathy or empathy for the protagonist Scrooge, nor does he really have anything to do with the story going on around him, other than the effects he's had on people.

The protagonist should change as a result of the actions going on around him, as Scrooge does, but as long as there are motivated characters and characters around that people can empathize with, they will keep reading.

Empathy nor sympathy in the protagonist is a prerequisite to holding one's interest.

First, yes, people do have empathy for Scrooge. They do gain it as they learn his history. Scrooge is the apex of empathy, and making readers grant Scrooge empathy is 100% of what this novel is about. If you can read A Christmas Carol, and not find a lot of empathy for scrooge as the book progresses, you have a stouter heart than mine.

If readers do not care what happens to your protagonist, they will not read your novels. They don't have to care on page one, but they'd darned sure better start caring long before the novel ends.

Readers do not have to like your protagonist, they may even actively hate him, but if they do not empathize with him, your novel is dead in the water.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
First, yes, people do have empathy for Scrooge. They do gain it as they learn his history. Scrooge is the apex of empathy, and making readers grant Scrooge empathy is 100% of what this novel is about. If you can read A Christmas Carol, and not find a lot of empathy for scrooge as the book progresses, you have a stouter heart than mine.

If readers do not care what happens to your protagonist, they will not read your novels. They don't have to care on page one, but they'd darned sure better start caring long before the novel ends.

Readers do not have to like your protagonist, they may even actively hate him, but if they do not empathize with him, your novel is dead in the water.
Empathy means to identify with or understand the character, it's at best a bastard child of caring. You're using them as interchangeable concepts which they are not.

Yes a reader should care and empathize with a character by the end of a story, which you do in Scrooge, but as I mentioned, it's not a prerequisite to keeping a reader interested in the story. Only mid way to three quarters of the way through the book do you start to see Scrooge display hints of changing his ways and thereby allow the reader to start caring about him.

During that whole time the reader reads to see what happens to the people being eavesdropped on by Scrooge and the ghosts.

You have to care, eventually, but not nearly as soon as you implied in your original post.
 

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kuatolives said:
During that whole time the reader reads to see what happens to the people being eavesdropped on by Scrooge and the ghosts.

Really? I read A Christmas Carol to see if/how Scrooge changed and became a better man. As the MC, his story is the one I should (and did) care about. I didn't have to like him to be interested in his journey.
 

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We empathize with Scrooge because a) he's an interesting character, b) he has motivation -- he thinks he knows what he wants, c) he has a past that makes him sympathetic and we understand why he's the way he is, d) he changes at the end, and e) we ALL have a Scrooge in us in some way, so we can ALL identify with him.
 

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We care about Scrooge a lot more than 3/4ths of the way through the book. From the getgo we care about him, for exactly the same reason that people care about Gregory House every week.

Scrooge is a penny-pinching greedy bastard and even before we start to understand that the story is about his redemption, even before we start to see the things which have made him the man he is, we care. We want him to be a better person, we want him to accept his assistant's invite to dinner (Cratchett? What's his name again?).

And then, we see what's happened to him. And then, we care even more deeply.

Also, Scrooge is only sort of a passive character. The whole book follows Scrooge, and though he may be passively dragged along by ghost after ghost, he's passively dragged along to see different things about himself (or, younger versions of himself) which are doing things actively.

I think there's nothing wrong with a passive MC (sometimes, your character is passive because they don't know what's going on;) but unmotivated is something else entirely, and I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
 

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Creating a sympathetic character that the reader cares about is not about being unrealistic. It has nothing to do with good or bad. We care about hannibal lecter because we see "good" doctors being sadistic to him. Some times creating that sympathy is done by having other characters do things to the MC. In the book "Darkly Dreaming Dexter" we are able to feel sympathy with a serial killer because of how the author portrayed him (he only kills bad people). There are lots of examples in literature where "unlikeable" people are the MC and the ones we root for.
You can make a thug sympathetic by having him stop and buy a mothers day card just before he mugs someone.
Watch the movie Crash and look at the characterizations for a masterful way of evoking sympathy for supposedly unsympathetic characters. That last scene with Sandra Bullock where she tells her maid that she is her only friend? Your whole point of view changes. And the bigot in the movie? You see him in scenes with his father? If you carefully look at each character you can see the small scene that immediately makes you care about them.
Watching movies or analyzing books that do this well is a very useful tool.
JMHO
 

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Thanks for the great feedback, you guys! Cath, I agree: it sounds like motivation and empathy are unrelated except that motivation may be one vehicle of many for a reader's empathy. And a preference for a motivated character may be a matter of taste...?

Blackbird (my browser isn't letting me quote) finding the MC's subtle positive qualities and emphasizing them is a good idea... as is having the MC do something positive like the kitten-bowl-of-milk thing, to create that first impression, and hope to make it last throught 350 pages of nasty behavior. Motivation may or may not be part of the equation.

Regarding ORION's comment ... it takes pretty good manipulation skills to gain a reader's empathy for an unpleasant character, and I guess that's what I'm going for. Has anyone read Jim Thompson? His MC's are almost always murderers, and by the end of the book, I find myself rooting for this guy who killed his wife... "Please, please get away with murder!" That takes skill. And it's very bittersweet.

I think Kuatolives has a point, that it is first and foremost interest in the character or events that grips the reader, and empathy (hopefully) follows.

(And I realize ... loving your own MC is a definite liability!)
 

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Readers won't root for a protag who lacks guts. Our heroes aren't namby-pamby pussey-boys, limp-wristed girly-men cowards. They may be Walter Mitty-like, but they have courage, dreams.

Few root for losers with a capital L; most root for the little guy against long odds who may have lost in the past but gets back up off the floor and tries.

Without guts, determination, no conflict.

Scrooge had guts, even if he was all wrong. We root for him to see the light, to find love in his cold hard heart. We root for redemption, because we identify, each and every one of us, with the need for redemption in life.
 

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My Mc's boyfriend ended up becoming a favorite to my beta readers, so I had to make him overly emotional to events that she was passive to. Then as he is passive toward others, she becomes emotional...it evens out in my WIP. Have you tried giving him a fellow character to take on some challenges with? Maybe a girl who helps him or a best friend? Sometimes people *in real life* are only sympathetic to people they know, so make him care for someone who is close or who he feels close to at the time.

Look at Truman Capote's novel "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and see the mc feels she hates the cat, will not name it, then when she loses it she is terribly upset.
 

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Jo Scott said:
Look at Truman Capote's novel "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and see the mc feels she hates the cat, will not name it, then when she loses it she is terribly upset.

Not to go off-topic here, but.....I didn't know Truman Capote wrote Breakfast at Tiffany's!

*brain melts*

I'm going to go lie down.
 

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Well you learn something new everyday huh...lol.
 

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I had a similar issue. I asked my main character, "How come people don't like you."

He said, "They do." I thought about it. He had family, friends, a boss who never fired him, etc. I just wasn't showing readers the things that made him likeable.

I fixed the problem but I didn’t change the character. I improved the way I wrote about him.
 

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Back to Civilian's original post--a suggestion.

In Ray's post (#17), his point (c) was..."he has a past that makes him sympathetic and we understand why he's the way he is"

So, pepper in a history here and there, nothing in great bulk, that hints at why your protag is like he is. If there is something in his past with which the reader can identify, something that grounds the protag with reader, the pages will probably turn.

For an interesting protag, go back to some original pulp. Get a copy of Dan J. Marlowe's The Name of the Game is Death (around 1962). Earl Drake is not a nice person, but he comes off as sympathetic because those around him are even worse. So use this lesson as a challenge to find a way to get your readers to identify with your protag regardless of that character's personality weirdnesses.
 
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