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Amiton

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I've run into a bit of a problem with my ms during editing. I've already gone though and scanned for grammar and dialogue and most of the simple things. As a final review I'm reading it through for flow and continuity.

The problem that popped up was this: in my first draft I had a series of three dream sequences (the dream aspect is very critical to the story). In a true display of amateur writing, I wrote the story in third person limited in the past tense, but used the dream sequences as intersection breaks and wrote them in first person present.

I managed to work two of the three sequences back into the story without actually going into the dream, but I can't see a way around leaving the third. If the third stays in it's current form, however, it doesn't fit into the structure of the manuscript. (Does this make sense to anyone? I'm having trouble finding the right way to describe it right now).

For those that do understand, can you think of any quick suggestions? I've considered writing it into the story, but that doesn't fit well. I was going to break it into its own chapter, but it's 5 pages while the rest of the chapters are 10-20. That doesn't address the issue brought up by confusing the reader since they wouldn't know that it was a dream until after the fact, and confusing the reader is never good...

*sigh* Any help is welcome, and if nothing else, I expect that I'll learn something new about the craft, and that is always a good thing...

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Hi, and welcome to AW.

I've used dreams and visions before, so I'll take a crack at this.

First off, ask yourself a couple of questions. Does the information presented in the dream NEED to be presented in this fashion? Can its importance be just as effective if presented in another way? Is it necessary for the reader to not know it's a dream until afteward (letting the reader know ahead of time will could avoid confusion)?

Has a beta reader given you any useful feedback on the matter? Sometimes we get so close to our work that we can't tell if it flows well or not, because we (as the author) know what our intent is. We just aren't the best judge of whether or not we pulled it off.

Have you thought about writing the dream in Third-person present, rather than first person present? In one rather lengthy vision/dream sequence, I kept the third person limited POV, but switched to present tense to show the change. That we were out of the real world, and inside of the POV character's head.

Just some food for thought, since I can't offer much more without story details. Good luck to you. :)
 

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Heya Chaostitan,

Well, I can't honestly say that the information NEEDS to be presented the way that I have it, but I will say that I can't figure out a different presentation that has worked so far.

I did try to edit into the third person limited, but the issue that I ran into was the same that you mentioned...it seemed like just another part of the story that was worded really strangely. I wrote it into the first person present to distinctly identify it as a different setting, e.g. the dreamscape, and in the 3rd limited, it came off as exactly the cheesy dream sequence that gives dream sequences a bad name in fiction.

So now I kind of feel like I can't continue on the current road, and the changes that I can figure all break my story mechanics in a really bad way. I'm starting to worry that the story is unrecoverable as it stands, which sucks since I'm so close to really being done (or at least done enough to put it down and submit).

Amiton.

P.S. - Thanks for the feedback and suggestions!
 

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If the dream sequence is critical, why did you change the first two? Sometimes, second-guessing yourself isn't the best way to go.

I've also seen dreams placed in italics.
 

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Have you ever tried putting the dream sequence into second person? I've found that sometimes works well for dream-like quality, and isn't quite as big a leap from third as first is.
 

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Carmy,
I pulled the first two with the intention of cutting them all. The thinking was to cull what isn't necessary and minimize jarring POV shifts. This particular sequence didn't want to play nice. In so much as putting it in italics, it would be possible, but it would be five pages of it. Thinking as a reader, that would only make me put a book down no matter how good it was.

FergieC,
Second-person is an idea that hadn't occured to me. I have to admit that it's a scary one to me - my skill and experience with second-person is pretty poor. I'll play with it and see what comes of it, though.

More thanks from me =)

Amiton.
 

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Hey there Amiton ~

I don't know if I truely understand this, but I'll give it a try for you.

If the dream is of major importance to the story, then I wouldn't change anything, just keep going with what you have and not to worry about the 3rd part. Maybe somewhere near the end of the book you can give a mention of the missing part and leave it open to the NEXT book? Maybe title it about the dream itself since it is many pages, it may begin a next book just rightly.
Hope you can figure something out. Just don't give up on the book, you've obviously come a long way so far.

RLee
 

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These are the kind of things my beta readers are invaluable for.
I have found a "collection" of readers (NOT writers) who enjoy reading novel drafts. They really enjoy being a part of the creative process and are not friends or acquaintances. In fact one of my readers works at the copy place I use. She mentioned how my stuff looked interesting and BINGO! another beta reader. You can find them everywhere.
My point is that many times (as authors) we are too close to our work and have difficulty with just these types of issues. Get thee hence to a beta reader and see if they can help you...
JMHO
good luck
 

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These are the kind of things my beta readers are invaluable for.
I have found a "collection" of readers (NOT writers) who enjoy reading novel drafts. They really enjoy being a part of the creative process and are not friends or acquaintances. In fact one of my readers works at the copy place I use. She mentioned how my stuff looked interesting and BINGO! another beta reader. You can find them everywhere.
My point is that many times (as authors) we are too close to our work and have difficulty with just these types of issues. Get thee hence to a beta reader and see if they can help you...
JMHO
good luck
 

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Sorry about the delay in responding...I've been working =p

In the end it looks like I'm just going to cut the dream sequence pages. I really don't like how it flows, but it seems like there are enough references in the later chapters for the reader to understand what happened. It's not a big cludge, but it's not my best writing by far. Unfortunately for my ego, it is still better than trying to force things to stand as they were.

Amiton.
 
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