What's the connection between Sci-Fi and Horror?

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Strange question to ask I suppose; it's one that I've always wondered. And now it's one that applies to me.

I used to sometimes see the sci-fi and horror genres categorized together in some venues, or merged, like in video rental stores for example. Not so much these days.

Of course I always thought that was crazy, because what could Star Trek and Freddy Krueger possibly have in common?

Now here's my situation. I love both, and both are what I know. I'm currently writing a Sci-fi novel, a totally cerebral far-out edge-of-your-seat sci-fi, hopefully to become my first publication. With that said, something's also been brewing in my head for my next book. Only that genre would be considered to be more as horror. It's going to scare the pants off any reader. I guarantee people will need therapy after reading that book. (I'm plugging it before it's even written...)

So here's what my question boils down to. Is there some type of cross-over connection that a Sci-fi author could successfully publish horror as well, or vice-versa. I'd hate to have to add martians to my horror novel just to stay in the same sci-fi boundaries. Nor do I want to write under 2 pen names, just for that sake.

Will people think of it as a stretch, as someone doing two completely different genres, or will they see 'that kind of stuff' being typical for this author?
 

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I think there’s sometimes a ‘marriage of convenience’ between the two, particularly with horror using the nominal sci fi bit to explain the existence of the scary bug that eats people. Stephen King comes to mind. And that’s great, I love that. Then you go to the other extreme, with a heavily sci fi novel with strong horror themes, like Peter F. Hamilton’s stuff. Genre benders, he calls them.

So in no way do I think the two are mutually exclusive, and that anyone’s going to be turned off from one genre you write because you happen to also write in another. Well, not many people.
 
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That's encouraging, actually. I think abandoning the idea of pursuing both would be a horror in itself.

It's just there are some stories I've come up with that I wouldn't even know which category they fit into.

Though I'm not there yet, as I'm not finished with one book and haven't started the other yet, but just thinking ahead --- I'm guessing a publisher or agent might want to know up front what genre it is before reading it. I'd like to be clear and concise in my 'sales pitch' when I go to submit the first (and tell them a second book is nearing completion by that time).

So maybe I should just throw more horror into the sci-fi and call them all horror, and take the SK route of explaining how the poodle got its powers from an alien race so that it can fly and breathe flames.

Well, ok that's not really the plot. Sounds kind of funny though.
 

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I'm a horror writer, and I'm currently working on my second novel that could be considered 'dark fantasy'. (horror/fantasy) I've discussed this in detail at many conventions and panels.

I think that horror can be combined into any work, because it is an emotion. Horror dictates how your characters react or feel. And ultimately how you want your reader to feel - scared.
They do it ALL the time in romance. Again, I think it is becuase romance is a feeling- it is the emotional drive of the characters (and reader).

Sci-fi, fantasy dictate the setting. So why not combine the two- horror/sci-fi or horror/fantasy or romance/sci-fi or romance/fantasy?
 

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Ship of Fools by Richard Paul Russo is a good example of Science Fiction combined with horror, I think. I highly recommend it.
 

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Alien is one of the best examples of SF/horror out there. Man-eating aliens on board a cargo ship. Wonderful!

But if the horror aspect of your story is paranormal/otherwordly (as King's often are), then you toe over the line of SF into fantasy, which tends to get you labeled plain old Horror (or Dark Fantasy). Very little of King's work could be called SF because of that paranormal element (maaaaaaaaaaybe Dreamcatcher).
 

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The separation between fantasy, science-fiction, horror, fairy tales, historical fiction, and magical realism is a symptom of bookmarkets and not of the artists and artistry involved.

These are all the same field of writing.

Whether you scare the pants off your audience or blast them with lasers is irrelevant. The tools you use are the same.

So, blend, mesh, merge and make do for your stories. Let the booksellers figure it out later.
 

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Horizon_eyes said:
Of course I always thought that was crazy, because what could Star Trek and Freddy Krueger possibly have in common?

Wrong comparison. Many don't even consider Star Trek science fiction. To some it's "sci-fi," an insulting term, and to others Star Trek and Star Wars and both closer to science fantasy, than to science fiction. And very few in publishing consider anything called "sci-fi" real science fiction. Do not call what you write "sci-fi," or you'll alienate a lot of editors and readers.

But a much more apt comparison woul be what Alien and The Mummy have in common?

Is the book about science, or is the book about horror? This is often a very tough question to answer. As often as not, the science is only an excuse for the horror.
 

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Enlightening point, Jamesaritchie!

I always thought sci-fi was just an abbreviation for science fiction, being one and the same. Thanks for pointing out there's a difference, which I want to explore further so that I don't alienate anyone.

All this feedback is greatly appreciated.
 

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Yeah, I've noticed that there is some sort of connection between sci-fi and horror, and usually fantasy as well. I think maybe it's because all of these genres take us beyond what is real and familiar and into a world that can only come from dreams or daydreams (or nightmares, as the case may be, haha). I don't know. I could be wrong. But for me, that's the connection--the otherwordliness that those genres share.
 

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I'd argue that really, SF, Fantasy, Horror, and Speculative Fiction are really one very large genre. I'd point to the difficulty in restricting many works to one of the sub-genres, and I'd also argue that they all share a common ancestor, the medieval romance.

And then I'd point to one of Debra Doyle's brilliant rants:

Doyle's SF Genre Rant.
 

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In the long run, I see myself doing stories that contain all the element, and also lean to one side or the other. One story I have in mind is purely science fiction, with very little horror. The other story is mostly horror, with only a quick reference to the science that excuses the horror.

In reference to a comment posted earlier by badducky, which I liked, "let the booksellers figure it out later..." When I start contacting agents and publishers, I wonder how much will be on my shoulders to declare a genre. Or, since we all seem to agree that the two genres are close cousins, if not under the same umbrella altogether, would saying it's a combination of these things suffice?
 

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Horizon_eyes said:
In reference to a comment posted earlier by badducky, which I liked, "let the booksellers figure it out later..."

That's the best option really. Publishers decide on genre in consultation from marketing, and then chain booksellers (and libraries) may well have a different opinion.

Just write the book, and let them figure out where to shelve it.
 

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the term is "spec-fic"

Though it's never really caught on, some of us've been calling it speculative fiction for years.

In the 1920s through mid-1950s, distinctions between science fiction, fantasy, & horror were often seen as artificial. Some of the best fantasy of the era was written by authors remembered mostly for whiz-bang space opera. Anyone who knows Lovecraft's Chthulhu mythos knows that the setting is actually an intergalactic war, with humans caught between, & their psyches getting messed up from the effects of the high-tech gizmos.

I wrote a thesis some years ago, where I trace the history of the genres, show how they developed (for better or worse) through U.S. pulp magazines, & demonstrate that they're all properly descended from the ur-genre, Romance. (I also discussed some of the lost but once-popular genres: sports stories; race-car stories; air-war stories.)

Recently, Walter Jon Williams reminded a roomful that it's kinda like this:
  • horror works from the thesis that we live in a fundamentally malign Universe
  • fantasy works from the thesis that we live in a fundamentally benign Universe
  • science fiction works from the thesis that we live in a fundamentally ambiguous Universe
(He probably swiped it from somewhere else, because it sounds familiar, but I don't think it was stated so concisely so I'm giving him the credit.)

That leaves open the possibility of stories sharing the same milieu, but having drastically different commentaries on what sort of Universe is depicted, & thereby choosing its genre.

Umberto Eco told a friend of mine that fantasy is an attempt to understand the communication between Man & God. I swiped this to point out that science fiction is the author's attempt to understand Man's place in the physical world. As such, I'm almost tempted to say that Arrowsmith is science fiction, at least in the Gernsbackian sense, & (in movies) The Right Stuff is science fiction but Apollo 13 is not.
Um...:e2writer:

What were we talking about again...?
 

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marinawings said:
Yeah, I've noticed that there is some sort of connection between sci-fi and horror, and usually fantasy as well. I think maybe it's because all of these genres take us beyond what is real and familiar and into a world that can only come from dreams or daydreams (or nightmares, as the case may be, haha). I don't know. I could be wrong. But for me, that's the connection--the otherworldliness that those genres share.

I totally agree! Fantasy is the mother of all genres and all the rest are just sub-genres. In the case of sci-fi, horror, and what is considered to be fantasy they are all similar in the sense that they are all fantastical! Get it? It's really all one bigger genre, just different in tones, but it is always nice to cross over right? "Right. It's the connection--the otherworldliness that those genres share." I could not have said it better myself, thank you Marina. Fantasy: sci-fi, horror, fantasy, suspense, mystery, romance, thriller, and the list goes on... It's all fantasy, because fantasies are not limited to otherworldliness; fantasies are stories that take us to another realm, whether that realm be Mid-Earth or New York, present day. Fantasies can be real as much as they can be unrealistic; it works both ways. In the end, fantasy rules!!!!
 

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I think it depends entirely on what drives the story.

In Alien, it wasn't the science that drove the story... It was the terror. This was a horror film, in a sci-fi setting. Aliens 2, the sci-fi drove the story. Aliens 3, I guess was driven by sh*t.

:p
 

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dclary said:
I think it depends entirely on what drives the story.

In Alien, it wasn't the science that drove the story... It was the terror. This was a horror film, in a sci-fi setting. Aliens 2, the sci-fi drove the story. Aliens 3, I guess was driven by sh*t.

:p

I do believe you're right. I hadn't thought about it, but the Aliens movies do separate themselves much like this.
 

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I'd argue that really, SF, Fantasy, Horror, and Speculative Fiction are really one very large genre. I'd point to the difficulty in restricting many works to one of the sub-genres, and I'd also argue that they all share a common ancestor, the medieval romance.

And then I'd point to one of Debra Doyle's brilliant rants:

Doyle's SF Genre Rant.

I think Doyle has some good points, but reaches a lousy conclusion based on those points. Romance or not, SF writers still write novels, and they can be and should be judged on this basis. Trying not to do so is, in my opinion, one of he reasons real SF is in steep decline.
 

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I totally agree! Fantasy is the mother of all genres and all the rest are just sub-genres. In the case of sci-fi, horror, and what is considered to be fantasy they are all similar in the sense that they are all fantastical! Get it? It's really all one bigger genre, just different in tones, but it is always nice to cross over right? "Right. It's the connection--the otherworldliness that those genres share." I could not have said it better myself, thank you Marina. Fantasy: sci-fi, horror, fantasy, suspense, mystery, romance, thriller, and the list goes on... It's all fantasy, because fantasies are not limited to otherworldliness; fantasies are stories that take us to another realm, whether that realm be Mid-Earth or New York, present day. Fantasies can be real as much as they can be unrealistic; it works both ways. In the end, fantasy rules!!!!

Dear God, I hope not.
 

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I disagree here, and use Tolkien's distinction, that true fantasy exists in a realm that is unexplainable, and unattainable in our real world. You can't travel to Middle Earth. It doesn't exist. By the same token, Gulliver's Travels are not Fantasy, but a form of early 18th century science fiction -- where the Sci Fi was travel to a distant, different realm -- no different than a modern first-contact novel.
 

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I'd argue that really, SF, Fantasy, Horror, and Speculative Fiction are really one very large genre. I'd point to the difficulty in restricting many works to one of the sub-genres, and I'd also argue that they all share a common ancestor, the medieval romance.

And then I'd point to one of Debra Doyle's brilliant rants:

Doyle's SF Genre Rant.

Brilliant rant.
 

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What's the connection between Sci-Fi and Horror?

My first thought: Dean Koontz. LOL!
 

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there some type of cross-over connection that a Sci-fi author could successfully publish horror as well, or vice-versa.
I tend to distinguish genres by the concerns they write about and how they explore those concerns -- it's the particular combination of the two that characterises a genre. I've written about it here and on my blog under 'Genre Signatures'. I won't justify the signatures here, but here they are:

Sci Fi: Concerns itself with technology and frontiers from a perspective of consumers or victims. Uses rational, analytical methods to explore these concerns.
Horror: Concerns itself with perverting or inverting familiar and trusted beliefs or hopes. Uses suspense, helplessness, dependence and/or seduction to achieve its effects.

These two genres can overlap greatly. If you take a SF premise (e.g. a new frontier or a new technology) and use it to pervert or invert something that we fervently want to believe then you can get a sort of Sci Fi/horror melange. You can see examples in Frankenstein, The Island of Dr Moreau, Scanners or Videodrome. To complicate it further, SF stories may enjoy a horror interlude at times, while horror stories occasionally indulge in SF-style investigations. And to make it even more complicated, similar techniques are often used in technothrillers too.

If you're forced to decide whether you're just reading SF or horror then I'd look closely at how the major through-lines develop and resolve. If it's an appeal to rationality triumphing over all else then I'd lean toward SF. If rationality is swept aside by helplessness etc... then I'd lean toward horror.
 
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