Great Book for Fantasy Writers

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If you write fantasy (or read a lot of it) and haven't read this yet, you should.

The Tough Guide to Fantasyland by Diana Wynne Jones

It addresses pretty much every cliche in fantasy and is absolutely hysterical.

If you've already read it, bully for you! Don't you love it? :)
 

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Uh oh, I'm going to have to read that before I submit my current WIP.
 

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That marvellous book sits on my desk (along with "Arms & Armor of the Medieval Knight" and "Medieval Military Costume") rather than in a bookcase, ready for instant access.

The 2-page entry on Horses alone is worth the price of the book. [Excerpt: "(In Fantasyland), horses can be used just like bicycles, and usually are."]
 
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I keep this with my other writing reference books (in my studio, which sounds fancy but really it's just a converted attic room). I absolutely love it! Diana Wynne Jones is one of my very favorite authors anyway.
 

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Loved it. Read it from beginning to end while I was working on Goblin Quest. Caught and fixed a number of cliches, which was great fun.
 

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Will you throw rocks at me if I tell you there's a new edition of the Tough Guide about to be published by Firebird, and that it contains additional material?

Another great book for fantasy writers: Food in England by Dorothy Hartley. Absolutely indispensable. The Tough Guide to Fantasyland will tell you why the roadside inn's big iron pot isn't full of stew. Food in England will tell you that what's really in that pot is (1.) the inn's hot water supply; (2.) tonight's Pease Pudding and Spotted Dick (that is, one savory pudding and one sweet one), each tied up in its well-floured pudding cloth and hanging in the hot water on a string; (3.) various tightly lidded vessels containing stewing beef-bones, or frumenty, or salted codfish that's having the salt soaked out of it, or whatever else on the menu needs long, slow, moist cooking; (4.) miscellaneous Other.

She'll also tell you what kinds of dishes, ingredients, and styles of kitchen organization you could expect to find in different areas and periods, which by implication tells you huge amounts of other stuff about life in that period. Possibly the area where she's strongest is her comprehensive understanding that before the advent of fast, easy travel and large-scale marketing territories, the style of cooking, like the style of building and the local accents, could change every five miles. Even the breeds of sheep and pigs and cows differed from region to region, and were well-adapted to their area. Her illustrations are fabulous, like the page where she draws all the different regional shapes of loaves, buns, pasties, and meat pies, including the inscrutably cute Checky Pig.

Read Dorothy Hartley, and you'll never again have a full-size standing pork pie coming out of a one-woman kitchen in early spring, or mention bread being thrown out because it's gone stale. You'll know what laverbread is, and what's used to seal a sealed bottle. Your characters won't be living off the land the first year they set up to farm. You'll know what they buy and what they make for themselves. If they're foraging off the landscape as they travel, you'll know what they can find in what terrain at what time of year.

If you get the food right, it's amazing how many other details of material culture snap into place.
 

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Speed said:
Will you throw rocks at me if I tell you there's a new edition of the Tough Guide about to be published by Firebird, and that it contains additional material?

No. Rather, I shall humbly DEMAND that you let me know when it comes out in the US.
 

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Speed,

That book sounds amazing. I think I might have to look it up and buy it very soon. Thanks for sharing!
 

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Speed said:
Another great book for fantasy writers: Food in England by Dorothy Hartley. Absolutely indispensable.

It appears to be out of print. Does anyone know where it can be bought?
 

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Dorothy Hartley

wrote several books that Fantasy writers should buy. Alas they are mainly out of print as she died back in the 1970s I think.

Certainly her book on Thomas Tusser, her Crafts books and Food in England are really hard to find cheaply any more. Try www.abebooks.ca which is a collection of second hand booksellers and you will find many English sellers there. But you'll have to pay.

THe Historical Novel Society has members who specialise in research books and will hunt up copies for you. Again it will be expensive. I think the url (sorry I'm travelling Canada at the moment!) is www.historicalnovelsociety.org
Sign up for their e-zine and you can post a request in that.
 

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Tough Guide has been my bible for nearly years, and partly inspired my second novel. I CANNOT BELIEVE I did not know a new and improved version was coming out. Thank you so much for sharing this information!
 

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Thank you but...

as I said, they are expensive at Amazon. I used to get copies for $2.

The biblio site is like the abe one and I have spotted the water book at a price I can afford. Grateful thanks.
 
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I will date Diana Wynne Jones one of these days, just you wait. Mark my words. Amazing writer. I didn't know about this book, but now I'm gonna have to get me some (copies).
 

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I recommend Bookfinder. It searches Amazon, ABE, Biblio, Alibris, Barnes & Noble, etc. all in one go. It will find both in-print and out-of-print copies, and it stacks by price.
My 'real job' is searching for out-of-print books for a university library. So I have a little experience backing up my preference.
-Barbara
 

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I haven't read it. Is it anything like any of those other silly lists that are on the internet about fantasy cliches?

I refuse, absolutely refuse to read any more of those.

They all seem to be written by people who hate fantasy and have no sense of humor.
 

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I can't stand them either. I just read another one posted on Fark.

I think the biggest cliche is bashing cliches. I've read plenty of books full of cliches that were good stories. It's all an illusion anyway. There really is nothing new or innovative. Everything is a cliche, it just depends on how you spin it.
 

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I love Diana Wynne Jones' books! I didn't realize she had one for fantasy writers! :) I'm going to have to get a copy!
Thanks for posting this here!
 
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