Star Charts and Interstellar Trajectories

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I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my SF and I've been having issues lately finding good star charts to work out routes and trajectories. Solstation.com has some pretty good ones, but they really only get about 30ly or so out (they say 100ly but when I calculate the distances I get about 30ly across the chart).

I'm looking for charts that would span the distance from earth to Deneb (about 700ly out). Even if I couldnt get that I'd settle for something as far out as Capella (Alpha Aurigae).

I'm trying to write out some of the systems a ship would pass when on it's way to Capella, and I find that nearby it would end up passing either Tau Ceti then maybe Sirius, or Epsilon Eridani and then Keid3 (40 Epsilon/Bied/Omicron2 Epsilon). Unfortunately most charts end around there and I have to manually enter coordinates of stars past that. You can imagine that entering coordinates of thousands of stars to try to find ones that not only are potentially habitable, but on a near LoS is painfull.

Does anyone else here use any charts or software for this? If so I'm dying to know what they are to see if there is a better way to do this (I'm sure there must be).
 

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This is a trap! (Been there, wasted time on that.) Just as thrillers and historicals can insert entire countries into the real world, so you can add a star or two, especially if they're a long way from Earth and would have no impact on anything local.
 

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How do you calculate trajectory from a star chart?
 

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Star Chart was a bad choice of words. I was looking for, and found, an interactive 3D program for viewing the positions of stars relative to each other and earth.

I got an older version of CHVIEW that runs as a 16 bit application, and then got the RA and DEC coordinates for every star in NASA's 100 most likely stars to have earth-type planets. CHVIEW takes decimal versions of RA and DEC, so I got a converter to swap them over and fed the stars into the program.

It can plot out courses between stars and you can then determine that if you have someone flying say from Earth to Rigel, they will pass by stars X, Y and Z for trading or whatever. More likely one will realize that Rigel is 773 light years away and even at a thousand times the speed of light it would take 228(ish) days to get there.

One of the primary reasons I needed this was I had a colony ship heading for 82 Eridani which has an extremely high likelihood of an Earth-type planet. The ship has issues on the way and ends up at Kaypten's star, which actually not even from the galactic disc, but from the galactic halo. This actually tied in perfectly with some other plot elements, so learning it was a definite bonus.

Without the 3d charts I wouldn't have been able to figure out what star they would have stopped at and just making it up wouldn't have worked because there are only 2 stars on a direct course between Earth and 58 Eridani.

Once I've got some more of the data worked out I'm going to put together a reference sheet of all the local stars and how far apart they are so one can just cross-reference two stars to get the light years between them. I’ll make it available for anyone who needs, or is interested in it.
 

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Seeing stars

Soyarma – nifty lil' link there.
zornhau said:
This is a trap! (Been there, wasted time on that.) Just as thrillers and historicals can insert entire countries into the real world, so you can add a star or two, especially if they're a long way from Earth and would have no impact on anything local.
Concur.

Right now (and probably for another couple of decades), most stars aren't mapped out. As long as you're not creating something conspicuous – something that would be unlikely to have an earth-like planet anyway – you're pretty safe on creating your own
 

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I'm surprised to find myself in what appears to be a minority of one. It may be because I seem to lean a bit towards hard SF; could be because I'm just neurotic.

For mankind to get to a place in the galaxy where the stars are not pretty familiar it would take about 10,000 years to get there or we'd have to exceed 670 trillion miles per hour. Even if we had an FTL system (hyperspace, warp drive, handy wormhole) that could give us a boost, we're talking a 1000x factor.

Most SF authors (even the ones that I love to read) tend to pick the brightest stars in the sky, Altair, Betelgeuse, Capella, Deneb, Regulus, Rigel, etc… the problem with most of these stars is that they so visible because they are pretty bright. For example, Sirius A is 21 times brighter than Sol and has some rather unpleasant radiation that would drastically affect anyone’s complexion were they exposed to it for long. However, Sirius is a metal rich star with 7.4x the iron that our solar system has. So it’s immediately apparent that this would be a mining system, but would not have any habitable planets.

I'll still read their novels and enjoy them, but having people living on earth-type planets around stars like Betelgeuse is pretty darn unlikely and I find it does detract from the story a bit.
 
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Soyarma said:
For mankind to get to a place in the galaxy where the stars are not pretty familiar it would take about 10,000 years to get there or we'd have to exceed 670 trillion miles per hour. Even if we had an FTL system (hyperspace, warp drive, handy wormhole) that could give us a boost, we're talking a 1000x factor.
With time dilation at superluminal speeds, the trip might appear to be over the instant it begins. Back home, though, you'd get the relativistic time scales – a kind of cool throw-back effect to when it took weeks/months/years to get anywhere of consequence (think of the age of sail).

Big consequences for whoever is onboard as well. Who ever they leave behind is going to be older when they get back.
Most SF authors (even the ones that I love to read) tend to pick the brightest stars in the sky, Altair, Betelgeuse, Capella, Deneb, Regulus, Rigel, etc… the problem with most of these stars is that they so visible because they are pretty bright. For example, Sirius A is 21 times brighter than Sol and has some rather unpleasant radiation that would drastically affect anyone’s complexion were they exposed to it for long. However, Sirius is a metal rich star with 7.4x the iron that our solar system has. So it’s immediately apparent that this would be a mining system, but would not have any habitable planets.
Yeah, Betelgeuse would be interesting – gas giant and all. The only way to research what it would be like around that much spewing hot gas is to tour Congress. Though that could be a little excessive...
I'll still read their novels and enjoy them, but having people living on earth-type planets around stars like Betelgeuse is pretty darn unlikely and I find it does detract from the story a bit.
Absolutely right. So create your own stars. The really steady, stable, long-burning sun-like stars tend to disappear in the dust. I'll try to dig up the numbers but from what I remember, we haven't even dented mapping all the stars within, say, 3000 LY. If you've got a ship that travels ~3kC, it still takes a year for the ship to reach the destination. That alone makes for interesting politics...
 

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I'm sticking with speeds a little bit lower on the scale, 300 - 700 x c; furthest man's gotten in 7k years is about 900ly out. Most of the expansion has been in pockets as well. The terraforming ships only go to areas where there are at least several class G stars to make the trip worth their while.

Crossing man's expansion even at the fastest average speeds is still a 5 year trip requiring a base speed of at least 0.7c and then using FTL to multiply that by an average of 400 or so. Time dilation works out to a factor of about 1.4 at that speed, so not a big issue.

Since science can't even begin to guess at how to achieve FTL, my premise that we are still several thousand years away from figuring that out, most of man's exploration has been at sublight with Bussard Ramjet ships and thus quite slow.
 

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Soyarma said:
I'm sticking with speeds a little bit lower on the scale, 300 - 700 x c; furthest man's gotten in 7k years is about 900ly out. Most of the expansion has been in pockets as well. The terraforming ships only go to areas where there are at least several class G stars to make the trip worth their while.

Crossing man's expansion even at the fastest average speeds is still a 5 year trip requiring a base speed of at least 0.7c and then using FTL to multiply that by an average of 400 or so. Time dilation works out to a factor of about 1.4 at that speed, so not a big issue.
Gut feeling: expansion rate sounds a bit conservative – but that's just me. OTOH, peripheral factors (anything from politics to navigation) could create serious drag.
...And it's probably better for cred to undershoot rather than overshoot.
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Since science can't even begin to guess at how to achieve FTL, my premise that we are still several thousand years away from figuring that out, most of man's exploration has been at sublight with Bussard Ramjet ships and thus quite slow.
Good news: science is beginning to guess how it might be done. Marc Millis (a personal hero) has been dabbling in the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics (BPP) Project over at [no kidding] the NASA GRC. The project is currently inactive but it's worth looking at the background, which has a poke-the-skeptics title no less inflammatory than "Warp Drive, When?" For a quick link to superluminal ruminations, check out his page for Ideas Based On What We’d Like To Achieve. It's better, though, if you go in sequence and really get the whole effect.

On a related note, my sigline on another forum:
It’s hard to be visionary and credible at the same time.
~ Marc Millis, NASA BPP Manager
 

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Habitable planet nearby...?

On the subject of habitable planets, just saw this over at Space.com:
Habitable Planet Possible Around Nearby Star System
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 01 August 2006
06:20 am ET

Someday astronomers will likely create a long list of Sun-like stars with Earth-like planets around them. But technology has yet to reveal such worlds, instead allowing the detection only of much larger planets.

Most of the roughly 200 known extrasolar planets are larger than Jupiter. Many complete their orbital years in just a few days. This proximity to their stars creates noticeable wobbles in the stars that make the planets detectable.

But astronomers figure the giants probably formed farther out, in a disk of material swirling around a newborn star, and migrated inward. In doing so they would have destroyed any fledgling habitable worlds.

In recent years, with improving technology, researchers have found a handful of systems that could harbor life-bearing planets, in theory at least. A nearby star called 55 Cancri is one of the leading candidates.

The system

The 55 Cancri system involves three gas giant planets and another world that could be icy or rocky and is about the size of Neptune. The setup is 41 light-years from Earth and about 4.7 billion years old, comparable to our Sun.

Astronomers have said since 2002, when a planet was found at about the same orbital distance from 55 Cancri as Jupiter is from the Sun, that the star had the potential to harbor an Earth-sized world.

A new computer simulation shows that amid the giant worlds orbiting 55 Cancri, a small rocky world could indeed have formed—in theory—and attracted enough water to support life as we know it.

"Our models show a habitable planet, a planet with mass, temperature and water content similar to Earth's, could have formed," said Rory Barnes, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Arizona.

Barnes and colleagues ran several simulations of varying scenarios around four stars, each known to have at least two giant planets. They put moon-sized planetary embryos into the systems during their youth and allowed them to evolve for 100 million years.

The idea, based on the leading planet-formation theory, is that small objects collect more material and, if they don't collide with another big object, become planets.

Star of the show

Only 55 Cancri consistently yielded a world similar in size and orbital distance to Earth. Our planet sits in what's called a habitable zone, just the right distance from the Sun to allow liquid water.

"Our simulations typically produced one terrestrial planet in the habitable zone of 55 Cancri, with a typical mass of about half an Earth mass," said Sean Raymond, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Colorado who worked on the project while a doctoral student at the University of Washington. "In many of the simulations, these planets accreted a decent amount of water-rich material from farther out in the disk."

The research, funded by NASA and the National Science Foundation, is described in a recent issue of the Astrophysical Journal.

A computer simulation is of course far from reality. But research like this can guide astronomers to solar systems worthy of further investigation as search technology improves.

"Our assumptions are quite optimistic, but not crazy by any means, and we start our simulations with a decent amount of material for terrestrial planets to form," Raymond told SPACE.com. "If we are wrong about this, then only smaller, perhaps Mars-sized planets could form in the habitable zone."

The best bet

Two other stars yielded little suggestion of habitable worlds. Another star, named HD 38529, is likely to support an asteroid belt and objects up to the size of Mars, the simulations indicate.

"In terms of the systems we looked at, 55 Cancri has the largest zone between giant planets in which terrestrial planets may form and remain on stable orbits," Raymond said. "So, I think the chance of other planets existing in the system is pretty good, but it's certainly not definitive at the moment."

Other modeling by Raymond has shown that only about 5 percent of the known giant-planet systems are likely to have Earth-like planets. But, he and others have said, there may well be many solar systems similar to our own, in which the giant planets are all on the outskirts, that simply can't be detected yet.
As a visual reference:

..I think it shows a good range of what can be extrapolated with system-building models. In this case, you've got inner gas giants but a system that still plausibly has a chance for a life-supporting planet in the habitable zone.

Considering this bit of astronomy is still in its infancy, you've probably got a lot of wiggle room for creating habitable planets out there...
 

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Interesting subject and one close to my own heart, I've wasted far too much time pondering these very things, plus acceleration curves at various velocities, all to no avail. My hard SF tends to shoot for the nearest yellow stars by mysterious means (engine room, keep out!) and hopes the reader will willingly suspend disbelief.

Niven's take on Bussard ramjets in his Ringworld epics and the related Protector novel(s?) struck me as the real deal, he's got the science pretty much screwed down, i.e. even if it is made up, it's still convincing.

That "Habitable Planet" article... "Many complete their orbital years in just a few days." Those planets must really be moving! Catch me if you can!

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Wicked, OG! Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

So, I wonder what the view would be like from Cancri-4 when the inner giants come around and then transit their sun?
 

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The Bussard Ramjet engines (Vernor Vinge calles them Ramscoop engines) were actually thought up by a physicist in 1960 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet). A notable feature of the ramjet engine is that aside from our current inability to create an electrostatic field to make the scoop they are feasible with current technology.

The rate of acceleration I've worked out for human expansion is predicated by the type of FTL I've gone with. FTL courses need to be carefully plotted out, so the terraforming and/or colony ships fly at sublight to new locations. At the time when most human expansion occurred antimatter was too costly, so they ran on fusion drives at 0.10c.

Part of the premise of my story is that FTL has actually had a negative impact on human technology and expansion which is why the radius is only 1000ly or so. I'm putting forth that before man had cheap antimatter and FTL star systems had to make do with less and be more efficient which led to better tech. With the advent of FTL around 5000AD and cheap(er) antimatter around 6000AD technology and human expansion have actually slowed and in some cases reversed.

All of this predicates placing the story close to earth. I am being somewhat liberal with earth-type planets though a lot of my story relies on the fact that terraforming ships can take a big moon orbiting a Jovian class planet and simply move it into the habitable zone and have it orbit the star directly. Needless to say the level of tech they have becomes highly desired by the declining bulk of humanity.

I’m using a great site (http://eldacur.dyndns.org/StarGen/RunStarGen.html) to create the planets and have all of their major characteristics available. It’s a pretty handy tool.
 

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Most of the stars that have a jovian class planet orbiting them close enough to wobble the primary wont have any other planets anymore. The thought behind that (as OG said, all still theory since we really can't see small planets around distant stars yet) is that they started in outer orbits and slowly moved in towards the star.

That, of course, bodes ill for any other planets that were between them and the star as they would have essentially eaten them, or disturbed their orbit and knocked em into the star.

That being said, in my WIP I could simply have my terraforming ships snag a large moon from the jovian and move it out into the habitable zone.
 

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Wicked, OG! Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

So, I wonder what the view would be like from Cancri-4 when the inner giants come around and then transit their sun?
No sweat.

My guess on the view: probably a spec in front of the sun (planets vs. star obviously not to scale in picture). Not enough to appreciably block light but definitely noticeable. Would very likely play a role in a developing civilization's mythology.

On a related note about "the view" from long-distance vacation spots, here's a bit about the likelihood of catching a binary sunset...
Space.com said:
Planets with Two Suns Likely Common
By Michael Schirber [posted: 17 May 2005; 05:47 am ET]

In the Star Wars saga, the Skywalker clan has its roots on Tatooine – a desert-covered planet revolving around two suns. A theoretical investigation has explored the likelihood for worlds like this to exist.

And it looks like the nearest Tatooine may be closer than a galaxy far, far away.

That’s because more than half of the stars in our galaxy have a stellar companion. And yet, of the 130 or so currently known exoplanets (none of which are Earth-like), only about 20 of them are around so-called binaries. The percentage may grow higher. The current ratio is affected by an observational bias: planet hunters tend to avoid binaries because the star-star interactions can hide the planet signatures.

Scientists discussed the issue earlier this month at a gathering of exoplanet hunters at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore.

Bad to good

"A few years ago, it was thought that [binaries] were a very bad site to search for planets," says Michel Mayor of the Observatoire de Geneve. "So we carefully eliminated all binary stars from our sample."

But planets may be just as likely around binaries as around single stars. Recent numerical simulations have shown that Earth-like planets, known as terrestrials, form readily in double star systems.

"The most significant thing we found is that terrestrial planets around certain close and wide binaries can look similar to planets around a single star," said Jack Lissauer of the NASA Ames Research Center...
The article goes on and it's definitely worth reading (even if only for the article's embedded links). Related stories are on the bottom, including the tantalizing headline "30 Billion Earths? New Estimate of Exoplanets in Our Galaxy." If that piques your interest, check out the Space.com article and scroll on down...
 

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Most of the stars that have a jovian class planet orbiting them close enough to wobble the primary wont have any other planets anymore. The thought behind that (as OG said, all still theory since we really can't see small planets around distant stars yet) is that they started in outer orbits and slowly moved in towards the star.

That, of course, bodes ill for any other planets that were between them and the star as they would have essentially eaten them, or disturbed their orbit and knocked em into the star.

That being said, in my WIP I could simply have my terraforming ships snag a large moon from the jovian and move it out into the habitable zone.
The upside of the 55 Cancri observations show us that even if there are close-orbit gas giants, as long as there's one in a farther orbit, the habitable zone is still fair game.

For that matter, there's also the possibility of habitable planets existing as moons of giant planets. For a good distraction – er, bit of research on it, check out The Potential for Tidally Heated Icy and Temperate Moons Around Exoplanets by Caleb A. Scharf. The paper is hosted by Los Alamos but it was also apparently accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal (so your perfectionist streak can rest easy).
 

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Larry Niven recently co-wrote a novel where a moon of a jovian (Building Harlequin's Moon) was made and terraformed. It went into how they heated up the planet it orbited a bit to add some heat as it was outside the habitable zone.

I find myself of the opposite opinion about 55 Cancri. There are 2 jovian and 1 neptune size planets within 1AU of the star. There seems to be some contradiction in regards to these stars being there and the possible presence of a terrestrial planet in the habitable zone.

I found a few articles like this one (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/06/13_planet.html) where they say that the inner gas giants most likely move in to where they are now, yet they then postulate a terrestrial planet that would have been wiped out by such movement... I guess since none of the theories are any more than just that they can propose both, lol.
 

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My guess on the view: probably a spec in front of the sun (planets vs. star obviously not to scale in picture). Not enough to appreciably block light but definitely noticeable. Would very likely play a role in a developing civilization's mythology.
Indeed it would. I was just wondering about what it might be like if the orbits were such that the gas giant nearest the habitable world were to reach aphelion as the habitable world reached perihelion when they were aligned on the same side of their sun.

If the GG was big enough and the distance between them small enough, might you not see a discernible disk? Factor this into the mythology of the world, then add in what's revealed as the culture evolves and their equivalent of Galileo points out that he thinks it's another world, and so on. They'd certainly notice and start examining this 'dot' crossing their sun much sooner than we did with Venus and Mercury, it would be much larger and brighter in their sky.

Could be lotsa fun.
 
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...If the GG was big enough and the distance between them small enough, might you not see a discernible disk? Factor this into the mythology of the world, then add in what's revealed as the culture evolves and their equivalent of Galileo points out that he thinks it's another world, and so on. They'd certainly notice and start examining this 'dot' crossing their sun much sooner than we did with Venus and Mercury, it would be much larger and brighter in their sky.

Could be lotsa fun.
Yeah, definitely.

Matter o'fact, though it's been done a few times already, I've always thought it would be cool to have two planets in the habitable zone with parallel evolution of native species. Usually, these plots lead to some dramatic war (which would be quite possible) – but it would be fun to write about first contact.

Nice spin would be difference in culture from one earthlike planet (with a small moon or two) for one of the races – then the other race evolves on the moon of a gas giant. It could be just as large as the independent planet, but would likely have significantly different atmospheric/tidal effects from being in orbit (as well as a profoundly different view).

Which makes me wonder: what did the Shoemaker-Levy impacts look like from Io?
 
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Earthlike planets more likely...

There's a good chance that our precious blue marble is part of a much larger boxed set. From Space.com:
Water Worlds: Astronomer Predicts Many Earth-Like Planets
By Sara Goudarzi
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posted: 12 September 2006; 06:10 am ET

To most common terrestrial dwellers, there's no place like Earth. But new simulations show that many Earth-like planets might exist outside of our solar system.

Through computer simulations scientists examined the formation and evolution of giant planet systems recently detected outside the Earth's solar system. Their results revealed that more than a third of them might contain planets that could potentially support life and could even be covered with deep oceans.

The study focuses on a type of planetary system unlike our solar system that contains gas giants known as "hot Jupiters" orbiting extremely close to their parent stars—even closer than Mercury to our sun, said lead author Sean Raymond, a researcher at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

Migrating giants

Hot Jupiters are giant gas planets, with masses close to or greater than that of Jupiter's, orbiting around stars other than our sun.

These giants are believed to have migrated inward toward their parent stars as the planetary systems were forming, disrupting the space environment and triggering the formation of ocean-covered, Earth-like planets in a "habitable zone" conducive to the formation of life, the scientists reported in the Sept. 8 issue of the journal Science.

Hot Jupiters shift around the rotating disks of dense gas surrounding a newly formed star and fling rocky debris outward where they could merge to form planets like Earth, Raymond said.

At the same time, small icy bodies in the outer reaches of the disk are slowed down and pulled in towards the planets by the violent forces from the surrounding gas. These icy formations deliver water to the planets, which can then host huge oceans, the thinking goes.

New thinking

Scientists had previously thought that as hot Jupiters plowed through the dense gaseous material on their inward migrations toward parent stars, all the surrounding material would be either "vacuumed up" or ejected from the system, Raymondsaid. "The new models indicate these early ideas were probably wrong."

After running simulations, based on theories of how the planets form in our solar system, that lasted more than eight months, Raymond and his team concluded that about one of every three known planetary systems could have evolved as Earth-like planets.

"I think there are definitely habitable planets out there," Raymond said. "But any life on these planets could be very different from ours. There are a lot of evolutionary steps in between the formation of such planets in other systems and the presence of life forms looking back at us."
For SF writers shooting for believability, this is a great thing - it opens the possibilities wide, wide open.

Check out the SDC article for embedded links and a few related stories at the end.
 
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