Arg, I'm screwing up my foreshadowing scene. Help, please.

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I introduced a secondary character earlier in the book, Arthur, a friendly old guy who runs a specialty bookstore. Arthur filled the MC in on some important subject history.

I had intended from the start to give Arthur a greater role in the story later on, and he figures importantly in the climax in what was SUPPOSED TO BE a very clever and UNEXPECTED plot twist.

So, here we are at "later on." I've shown that Arthur is a retired stage magician (who hangs out at The Magic Castle in Hollywood) and have just revealed that he is ALSO a "real" magician, a practicing warlock with a very shady past. He and fellow magicians were not against committing murder in pursuit of casting a particular spell (in the 1960s) on a Ouija board, which the MC later buys at his shop.

Anyhow, I'm writing a scene right now to show that Arthur has nefarious plans in store for that Ouija board which the MC doesn't know is partially enchanted. But I don't want to spell it all out because it's supposed to come out later as a big surprise.

How can I handle this?

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Why would Arthur be selling the ouija board if it's a murder weapon? Is he confident no one can figure it out?

Perhaps Arthur is looking for a particular type of person to dump the ouija board on, so he questions the MC to find out whether he fits the profile. Depending on the questions, the MC might come away thinking Arthur is pushy and odd, but not necessarily evil.
 

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I reread your post and have a couple of questions. At what point are you putting this scene? After the relationship between Arthur and the MC has been established, or when they meet? Does Arthur like the MC? Would he feel guilty about using the MC? Does he care?

My first post was based on the scene occuring when they met. If the scene comes later, then perhaps Arthur might be having some second thoughts about using the MC because they've become friends so he gives some oblique warning which he later retracts because he decides to stick with his original plan.
 

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The MC meets Arthur earlier on, when he is seeking out an expert on the paranormal. For sale in his shop is the Ouija board, which has been "waiting for the right buyer to come along." This is the only time MC meets Arthur, but plans to contact him later on. Arthur likes the MC just fine. He does not care about "using" him later on in the climax (or anti-climax, I haven't decided yet.) MC doesn't think of him being pushy or odd, but he does sell the Ouija board at a surprisingly affordable price. This is a rare board from the 1930s.

2/3 of the way through the book is this scene with Arthur at the library in the Magic Castle. Arthur thinks about how they used the Ouija board in a failed attempt to "enchant" it with the spirit of a sacrificed human psychic.

In the finale later on, in what was supposed to be a big surprise to the reader, Arthur interrupts MC's experiments to try to finish what he started in the 1960s.

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So the foreshadowing scene is from Arthur's POV, not the MC? Who is the usual POV character? Is any of the previous narrative from Arthur's POV?

If the POV is usually the MC, perhaps the MC has been trying to trace the provenance of this fantastic antique ouija board and finds out about how some group of people tried using it for nasty purposes, but he doesn't know Arthur was one of them. Maybe one of Arthur's colleagues left a diary behind or a letter which the MC finds. This way you can convey the history of the board to the reader, but keep Arthur's participation hidden.
 

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TheIT said:
So the foreshadowing scene is from Arthur's POV, not the MC? Who is the usual POV character? Is any of the previous narrative from Arthur's POV?

The foreshadowing scene is Arthur's POV. Most previous scenes have been from Greg's (MC) POV and some from his wife's, one from a friend who life was messed up after they all used the Ouija board.
Maybe one of Arthur's colleagues left a diary behind or a letter which the MC finds. This way you can convey the history of the board to the reader, but keep Arthur's participation hidden.

I'd rather the POV be with Arthur here because he needed a scene all its own. We needed to see who he really was, more than what the reader knew from the first meeting. I'm doing this partially so later on when Arthur does his plot twist, it doesn't come completely out of left field, there's some buildup to it.

There already is a diary belonging to Arthur's great grandfather outlining some experiences that echo what Greg is currently involved in.

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Perhaps you could have Arthur speaking to someone close to him (wife? old firend? store assistant?). The character discovers he sold the board and get upset. You could slide it into an inventory check of something so the reader may think nothing of it. The character doesn't need to reveal the reason s/he is upset because Arthur already knows...

Personally, I think TheIt may be on to the right track. It is a little out of left field to be following Greg and his Wife and then suddenly jerking the reader over to a minor character (at least who the reader thinks is a minor character) right after.
It may be better to build the foreshadowing in from the MC's point of view. Maybe while researching his board he discovers an old news clip about the foiled murder attempts. It could list a few names of people that were released after questioning. It would be easy to slip Arthur in so that only the most astute reader would see it. Maybe he was interviewed as an "innocent bystander".

Good luck with whatever you do.
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Of course, I can't say for sure without reading the ms., but from here it looks like a mistake to switch to Arthur's POV. Arthur is the villain or a villain, right? He's evil and dangerous? Suspense and mystery will be greater if you stay with the MC and let him observe Arthur acting strange or saying things that don't quite add up. The reader, along with the MC, will grow nervous about Arthur.
 

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All right guys,

I took all your advice and re-thought the whole chapter. What I had, in first-draft form, was a lot of narrative about Arthur and his backstory as a stage magician, then a dialog meeting in the library with his old friend Chet, where they discussed what they did with the Ouija board. Then more narrative going into greater detail about their "procedure" which had ended with someone's death (that they presumably got away with). Then they visited the "secret library" where it was revealed that the were both actually warlocks. This was all through Arthur's POV. It was also very rough.

So, throughout today I rewrote the entire thing.

Now, in Greg's POV, Arthur invites Greg to dinner at the Magic Castle. All through dialogue, Greg learns of Arthur's stage magician past, and there's a brief "tour" of the Castle as they head to the dining room (Arthur describes things as they pass them). At dinner, they talk more about his past. After dinner, they head to the library and visit with "Chet," an old magician friend of Arthur's whom he used to be an apprentice for in the '60s.

After some dialog about Greg buying the old Ouija board, there's oblique dialogue, where Chet and Arthur discuss what happened many years ago. This includes:

“We never finished,” Arthur said, seeming to have forgotten Greg was there. “It’s fine.”

“Why’d we try do to it, anyway?”

“What we had wanted to do would have been easier.”

Greg thought, what on earth were they talking about?

“There was only one way to charge it,” Arthur said. He glanced up at Greg, who wore a blank expression.

“There were other ways.”

“The books said it was the best way.”

Chet shook his head. “Poor thing. Didn’t deserve it.”

Arthur stood up. “It happens. It’s happened many times before too."


Following this, Arthur leaves to use the restroom, and Chet quickly tells him about the ceremony that ended up with a dead body and a partially enchanted Ouija board.

Does this work better?

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Yes, I think this type of approach would work better. Instead of Arthur doing an internal "As you know, Bob", you've got Chet there to externalize the information. This way, too, you can keep Arthur mysterious and keep the reader guessing as to Arthur's true motives.

The one thing I'm confused about is why Chet would confess to Greg about the horrible things which happened when they used the ouija board. I'm guessing Chet believes Arthur is trying to use Greg to finish what they started and disapproves, therefore Chet is trying to warn Greg while Arthur is out of the room. Lots of possibilities here. Will Greg believe him, or does he scoff at the warning? Will the reader believe the warning or agree with Greg? Will something nasty happen to Chet if Arthur finds out he blabbed? (Tune in next week, same time, same channel... ;) )
 

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TheIt,

You are correct in your assumptions. While Chet confesses to Greg about the history of the Ouija board, he doesn't name names. Plus, he leaves out a lot of details since he only has a couple minutes to tell him. He tells him this because not only does he not have anything to lose, but he feels it is his duty to inform him what happened.

And you are indeed correct, Arthur has greater intentions to use Greg. In my earlier draft, narrative told of Arthur being a secret warlock. In the new version, all through dialogue taking place between Arthur and Greg in the "secret library" that holds books about witchcraft and real magic, Arthur nearly hypnotizes Greg into helping him finish a procedure his great grandfather started a century before. He never says he's a warlock, he never says he uses magic. It's all implied. I think this is a much better scene now, and gives enough information to the reader to know something really weird is going on, but the reader isn't exactly sure what it is.

As a result, Greg is now obligated to help Arthur do some mysterious experiment, which kind of changes my ending in a significant way.

But it's a lot more interesting now, that's for sure.

Thanks for the pushes in the right direction.

This also pushes me past page 202, so that's nice.

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Glad we could help. Good luck, and happy writing!
 
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