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Zombies. monsters, vampires. ghosts, witches, chain saw wielding maniacs, slashers, etc are all my comfy zone topics.
I cannot write about anything biblical, or satanic stuff without the hugest guilt trip that stops me. Now that I'm a mom I couldn't write about deviant demon Damian types or anything really sexually explicit.Any of you have a line you won't cross?
 

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breena said:
Zombies. monsters, vampires. ghosts, witches, chain saw wielding maniacs, slashers, etc are all my comfy zone topics.
I cannot write about anything biblical, or satanic stuff without the hugest guilt trip that stops me. Now that I'm a mom I couldn't write about deviant demon Damian types or anything really sexually explicit.Any of you have a line you won't cross?

I don't think there are many, if any, horrors that can't be broached. Of course, there are more than one kind of line. There's the line defined by my conscience, and the line created by society or "theme-sensitive" groups.

My conscience does remind me of the delicate nature of some subjects, but its never screamed, "Halt. No further!" Child molestation is a difficult subject for me. Back the early days of my law enforcement career, I was routinely assigned to such cases and I had a lot of sleepless nights because of it. But today, I think I could fictionalize that kind of horror and give it depth from a unique perspective.

The other barrier, the one established by society-at-large or ultra-sensitive groups is another type of line, but I seldom give it a backward glance. I don't work at being deliberately offensive toward most cultures or religious belief systems, but I won't/can't allow social mores or religious convention to dictate my story, either.

When I first shared the Offspring premise with a beta reader, he said, "Okay, when the local fundies (fundementalist Christians) and Catholic Church get through with you, you won't have any *ss left, so can I have your motorcycle and Jeep?"

All though the setting is contemporary, the story borrows from Old Testament lore and early Hebrew fringe mythos. Again, none of the content is deliberately inflammatory, but you simply can't please or appease everyone.

Lines I won't cross? None that I've found....yet.
 

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I'm with Liam on this one. My WIP deals mainly in the religion. I am borrowing on the Bible and making it fit into my story of how we were created and what the Angels and Demons really are. I know I might get flack because in the story I kill God off. I'm not trying to pi$$ people off with this story, it is just coming the way it is meant to. If people get mad at it, so be it.

My other book deals with abuse of all kinds. A mother pays to have people rape her daughter and get her pregnant in order to sacrifice the children so she can stay young. She also beats her and psychologically abuses her all the time. I wrote this book when my wife was pregnant with our first son and I wanted him to hurry up and come out. I put that feeling into the book because the MC never got to see her children after they were born.

Satanic stuff would be fun for me to write about. Finding a way to make it into a good story would be worth the challenge. Zombi's, vampires, werevolves, etc. are pretty much a staple of horror and even though I haven't written about zombi's and werewolves don't mean I won't if I get a good enough idea. I have written a vampire book but it is gathering dust in a box under the desk.

I have yet found a line I wouldn't cross in my delvings into horror. If I do find one I would be more than willing to try and write the book just to see if I can.
 

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breena said:
Now that I'm a mom I couldn't write about deviant demon Damian types or anything really sexually explicit.Any of you have a line you won't cross?

You said that being a Mom has stopped you from writing about Damian types or anything really sexually explicit. Strangely enough, being a Mom has had a quite different effect on me as far as my writing goes.

Perhaps it has something to do with how we approach horror in the first place? I feel that horror is, was, and always will be a way to express the wrongs and evils in the world in the rawest, barest, most f*cked up way possible while still telling a compelling and entertaining story.

As a mother I'm more frightened by the world now then I was before. It's not something I let rule my life, but there it is. Every time my kids are late home from school; whenever I let them use a public bathroom alone; whenever, in fact, they are out of my sight; I feel afraid for them.

It's simultaneously illogical and valid at the same time. The world is a damn scary place, one that I, as a Mother must protect my children from. And whatever those fears are, however they manifest in my mind end up on the page.

However, in the process of writing these stories when I compare them pre-motherhood and post-motherhood I've noticed that I'm not just a better writer as is the natural process of practice and time but bolder, more daring, more courageous in what I have to say and how I have to say it. I cut less corners and leave no stone unturned in what the story has to say.

That being said, I have yet to write on sexually explicit topics, but that doesn't have to do with any personal taboos. It has more to do with the fact whether the scene is one that's supposed to be titillating or violent in that area, I just suck at 'em. A good writer knows her weaknesses. A great one has learned how to conquer them. I guess I'm only a good writer, but for now, that's good enough for me.

The evil child theme aka Damian? Yeah, but that stems more from what I feel are "bad Mommy" days. Y'know, those days when you can't possibly feel like a more horrid Mom if you tried and start to worry if your kids will grow up to become serial killers because of that day? And then you start to wonder if serial killers are born and not made, just for a fleeting second, but long enough to come up with a story idea?

Or what about those days when your kid has a bad day and you can't figure out why? Oh, I'm not talking about days when they're crying and throwing fits, I'm talking about when they just do things they know are wrong and the only reason they can give you is "I don't know"? And you think "Who in the world is this child?" and "Where in the world did my precious darling go?" Logic argues that this is only human nature, but our creative minds can go nuts can't they?
 

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Haven't found the line I won't cross, not yet at least. I just try not to write anything blatantly exploitative, as that's not my style, but if it serves purpose in the story it's fair game.
 

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I'll write until I come to that line. Then I'll stop and regard the line. I'll examine the line to the tiniest pixel. I'll learn all I can about that line, and when I have......

I'll call up the stealth fighters, the nukes, my army of undead, several miscellaneous aliens, and a cute little girl with no sense of humor, then I'll blast that stinking line into a fractured memory.
 

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I won't write about rape or child molestation. I think that's my only hard limit. I avoid writing the damsel-in-distress scenario, but that's because it annoys me.
 

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Thanks for your input guys! I wish I didn't guilt trip myself about certain topics. I read about them and watch as much as I can get my hands on. Its just weird.
I always wondered if the best horror and psych thriller writers ever had to deal with a guilty conscience about some topic, but just wrote anyway. Some of you answered my question. Thanks!
 

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With one of my books I really didn't know if I could write about the mom killing off her grandkids to stay young but the story turned that way and I did it. I never mention how she does it, just takes the babies into a back room and returns without them. I leave it up to the readers imagination.

Did I ever feel guilty? No, it was how the story played out. What would have felt guilty was me not writing it that way. I would have done a huge disservice to it if I did that.

Like I said before, I will write just about anything. Heck, in my WIP I just killed God. I'm sure that is a huge mark against me in the book of life. So why did I do it? For my story to unfold I have to have God dead or he would interfere with what is happening. Can't have that now can I? It would make for a short story.

Take pitty on me God. After all you gave me this creative mind, so, it is kinda your fault. Crap, I think I hear thunder.
 

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I avoid some topics because I don't like reading about them. Ditto what Andre-Laurent said about child mutilation.

I never feel any guilt trips while writing. My conscience just hides for a while. :)
 

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I'm a Dad. You know what? We care too. I just thought I'd point that out. This whole "Mom" thing, like it grants exclusivity on certain emotions or abilities to nurture is just crap.

There. I said it and I'm glad.

That said, as a DAD, I often start writing sexually charged scenes and I'll think, is this appropriate for my son to read?

Then I'll think, screw him, he can read it when he turns 18.

So no, there are no lines I'll cross. I just password my stuff.
 

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Red Shonja said:
I'm not a mother, and don't particularly like kids, but I could never write about anything socially wrong to wards children (rape, molestation, death)

I would write anything at all under the sun involving adults, but feel like there's a line when it comes to children. Adults are fair game. They've done their time, learned or not learnt their lessons and made their decisions but children haven't had that chance. It just feels wrong. Like kicking a puppy just because I'm bigger and stronger.


I didn't write about children getting abused, killed or anything in-between until I was a mother. It wasn't about personal sensibilities, but more along the lines of "What the hell do I know about kids?"

Now though, when my kids bounce on my bed at 6am (on a Saturday no less) and they whine that they're "starving to death" even though they damn well know where the cereal is? I figure it's better that my thoughts from that moment (and others like it) are better served on the page then in reality.
 

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I won't write anything about child torture, etc. And I won't write anthing I wouldn't let my fourteen year old son read.
 

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I would not write anything about child abuse.
 

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Okay, wait a minute. I think Kevin just hit the one thing I couldn't write. I couldn't kill off God. I mean, I always need a Deus Ex Machina as a safety net, and God is just perfect for the job.
 

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Liam Jackson said:
Okay, wait a minute. I think Kevin just hit the one thing I couldn't write. I couldn't kill off God. I mean, I always need a Deus Ex Machina as a safety net, and God is just perfect for the job.

Liam, buddy, in my story God is dead, the world just doesn't know it yet. But as the story unfolds, maybe in book two, they will find out and all hell will break loose. This is my take on Armageddon and we will soon learn that without God people can't hold it together. Lines will be drawn in the sand and people will take sides. Humanity will fight humanity as the battle for our survival rages on. In the end what will happen though? When the war is over and we are again safe how will we, as a species, survive knowing that God is dead? He is such a huge part of us that the thought of it is staggering. This is why I wanted to write the book/series. To see how the story plays out and to see what the reaction from the readers would be.

Is it a bad line to cross? Probably. And I think God is getting me back for it, actually. I have been playing around with this idea for about two years now and those two years have been hell for me and my family. But I see it this way...it is his fault. He made me a writer, blessed me with a fertile imagination, and abilities, though limited, to write it down. He is all knowing, he should have seen it coming and if he was on vacation during the time then he should fire his assistants for not God-mailing him the run down.

I will write this story, no matter what. If it doesn't get published so be it, I will have wrote it, suffered the repercussions, and finished a story that was so hard on me intellectualy, physically, emotionally, and spiritually that I could be proud of. The grasp of the story is so huge, so globally connected that I am suprised I thought it up. This is the one story that I have that keeps interupting my daily life. Much like King's Dark Tower did for him. This is the one story I have to finish.

By the way, did I tell you that Stephen King's new book "Lisey's Story" is a rip off of my ex-PA book?
 

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Liam, buddy, in my story God is dead, the world just doesn't know it yet. But as the story unfolds, maybe in book two, they will find out and all hell will break loose. This is my take on Armageddon and we will soon learn that without God people can't hold it together. Lines will be drawn in the sand and people will take sides. Humanity will fight humanity as the battle for our survival rages on. In the end what will happen though? When the war is over and we are again safe how will we, as a species, survive knowing that God is dead? He is such a huge part of us that the thought of it is staggering. This is why I wanted to write the book/series. To see how the story plays out and to see what the reaction from the readers would be.

Is it a bad line to cross? Probably. And I think God is getting me back for it, actually. I have been playing around with this idea for about two years now and those two years have been hell for me and my family. But I see it this way...it is his fault. He made me a writer, blessed me with a fertile imagination, and abilities, though limited, to write it down. He is all knowing, he should have seen it coming and if he was on vacation during the time then he should fire his assistants for not God-mailing him the run down.

I will write this story, no matter what. If it doesn't get published so be it, I will have wrote it, suffered the repercussions, and finished a story that was so hard on me intellectualy, physically, emotionally, and spiritually that I could be proud of. The grasp of the story is so huge, so globally connected that I am suprised I thought it up. This is the one story that I have that keeps interupting my daily life. Much like King's Dark Tower did for him. This is the one story I have to finish.

By the way, did I tell you that Stephen King's new book "Lisey's Story" is a rip off of my ex-PA book?

Okay, Kev, I understand your rationale, and perhaps I'll rethink my own need for the "ghost in the machine." :)

From what little I know of your storyline, it's thought-provoking, and could actually serve an inspirational purpose. It depends on how humanity takes the news and responds. At any rate, it's a delicate topic for many, and no doubt, outright offensive for some. You'll probably take a few lumps. Should that happen, call me and we'll compare cuts, bruises, and contusions. ;)

No, I hadn't made the connection with your ex-PA novel and King's Lisey's Story, but then, I haven't read Lisey's story, yet. Do tell! Inquiring minds, an all that.
 

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Liam, buddy, in my story God is dead, the world just doesn't know it yet. But as the story unfolds, maybe in book two, they will find out and all hell will break loose. This is my take on Armageddon and we will soon learn that without God people can't hold it together. Lines will be drawn in the sand and people will take sides. Humanity will fight humanity as the battle for our survival rages on. In the end what will happen though? When the war is over and we are again safe how will we, as a species, survive knowing that God is dead? He is such a huge part of us that the thought of it is staggering. This is why I wanted to write the book/series. To see how the story plays out and to see what the reaction from the readers would be.

Is it a bad line to cross? Probably. And I think God is getting me back for it, actually. I have been playing around with this idea for about two years now and those two years have been hell for me and my family. But I see it this way...it is his fault. He made me a writer, blessed me with a fertile imagination, and abilities, though limited, to write it down. He is all knowing, he should have seen it coming and if he was on vacation during the time then he should fire his assistants for not God-mailing him the run down.

I will write this story, no matter what. If it doesn't get published so be it, I will have wrote it, suffered the repercussions, and finished a story that was so hard on me intellectualy, physically, emotionally, and spiritually that I could be proud of. The grasp of the story is so huge, so globally connected that I am suprised I thought it up. This is the one story that I have that keeps interupting my daily life. Much like King's Dark Tower did for him. This is the one story I have to finish.

By the way, did I tell you that Stephen King's new book "Lisey's Story" is a rip off of my ex-PA book?

Don't forget Satan. If you postulate that God is real, you also have to postualte that Satan is real. So God is dead, but how's ol' Beelzebub doing?
 

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Don't forget Satan. If you postulate that God is real, you also have to postualte that Satan is real. So God is dead, but how's ol' Beelzebub doing?

What we know of Satan is a lie but the real evil is alive and well. He is the one that set Armageddon into motion.

Liam, I know I will take a few lumps but look how well it did for Dan Brown. I really don't care if I get carved up like a Thanksgiving Day turkey because of this story, it means that I hit the reader on an emotional level and that is what I want. If I get the story they way I want it some people will hate it, some will love it, some will send me death threats, and some will send me marriage proposals and pics. Right now this story is for me. I need to write this. I need to live through my MC's life as he deals with his waning faith. I need this because that is how I feel right now. All the hell I am going through and have been going through in the past three years is wearing on me. It is one thing after another and I don't know how much more I can take. I need some good luck but in my family that is about as common as hitting the lottery.

I don't know how the series will turn out. I don't know how people will react if they find out God is dead and how they will go on living. It's a very touchy subject and one near and dear to millions of peoples hearts.

As for Lisey's story. I read the blurb at Amazon and in it Lisey is able to, after her husbands death, to go to a world that he and his brother made up to escape their abusive father. Her name is Lisey, sounds like Lissee. In my book I had the MC go to a secret world whenever she was being raped, a paradise that helps her cope. King did the same thing. Even King's MC's name sounds like mine. Elysia, sounds like Eleseeia.

When my book came out I sent it to him and his assistant said she had it and would give it to him. That was over two years ago. I don't care if he did take the idea, that man is my Idol and I am happy.
 

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What we know of Satan is a lie but the real evil is alive and well. He is the one that set Armageddon into motion.

Liam, I know I will take a few lumps but look how well it did for Dan Brown. I really don't care if I get carved up like a Thanksgiving Day turkey because of this story, it means that I hit the reader on an emotional level and that is what I want. If I get the story they way I want it some people will hate it, some will love it, some will send me death threats, and some will send me marriage proposals and pics. Right now this story is for me. I need to write this. I need to live through my MC's life as he deals with his waning faith. I need this because that is how I feel right now. All the hell I am going through and have been going through in the past three years is wearing on me. It is one thing after another and I don't know how much more I can take. I need some good luck but in my family that is about as common as hitting the lottery.

I don't know how the series will turn out. I don't know how people will react if they find out God is dead and how they will go on living. It's a very touchy subject and one near and dear to millions of peoples hearts.

As for Lisey's story. I read the blurb at Amazon and in it Lisey is able to, after her husbands death, to go to a world that he and his brother made up to escape their abusive father. Her name is Lisey, sounds like Lissee. In my book I had the MC go to a secret world whenever she was being raped, a paradise that helps her cope. King did the same thing. Even King's MC's name sounds like mine. Elysia, sounds like Eleseeia.

When my book came out I sent it to him and his assistant said she had it and would give it to him. That was over two years ago. I don't care if he did take the idea, that man is my Idol and I am happy.

To be honest, it's not a particularly original concept. Authors like Jonathan Carroll and Christopher Priest have been writing stuff like this for years, but putting startling original aspects into it. A lot of Carroll's novels feature some sort of alternate world. The Affirmation by Christopher Priest is also a rather incredible example of this sort of idea. It's a bit of chestnut - "escape to alternate world". I did an outline for one years ago that has the same idea - character escapes to a fantasy world to escape evil uncle.

The most famous "imagined world" is perhaps the lands of Gondor that the Bronte Sisters invented to escape the harsh existence in Haworth, up in the Yorkshire moors. If you've ever been there, and can imagine what it was like without water, sewers or any form of power, you can understand why they did (And why they all died in their twenties.)
 

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What we know of Satan is a lie but the real evil is alive and well. He is the one that set Armageddon into motion.

Liam, I know I will take a few lumps but look how well it did for Dan Brown. I really don't care if I get carved up like a Thanksgiving Day turkey because of this story, it means that I hit the reader on an emotional level and that is what I want. If I get the story they way I want it some people will hate it, some will love it, some will send me death threats, and some will send me marriage proposals and pics. Right now this story is for me. I need to write this. I need to live through my MC's life as he deals with his waning faith. I need this because that is how I feel right now. All the hell I am going through and have been going through in the past three years is wearing on me. It is one thing after another and I don't know how much more I can take. I need some good luck but in my family that is about as common as hitting the lottery.

I don't know how the series will turn out. I don't know how people will react if they find out God is dead and how they will go on living. It's a very touchy subject and one near and dear to millions of peoples hearts.

As for Lisey's story. I read the blurb at Amazon and in it Lisey is able to, after her husbands death, to go to a world that he and his brother made up to escape their abusive father. Her name is Lisey, sounds like Lissee. In my book I had the MC go to a secret world whenever she was being raped, a paradise that helps her cope. King did the same thing. Even King's MC's name sounds like mine. Elysia, sounds like Eleseeia.

When my book came out I sent it to him and his assistant said she had it and would give it to him. That was over two years ago. I don't care if he did take the idea, that man is my Idol and I am happy.

Very old plot. King has even used variations of it in the past. From what I understand, King doesn't even read books unles they come through authorized channels.
 
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