Is my novel anathema?

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This is my first time posting, and let me say I'm glad to have found a writing forum where people consistently post.

I'm trying to figure out if the novel I've finished has a chance of selling in today's marketplace (I'll explain why in just a second). I've been sending out dozens of queries and have been mostly ignored (with a handful of form rejections thrown in--not a single personalized rejection at all). Not a single person has requested to read any of the actual book itself (although the few agents who require a couple of sample chapters with the query letter have at least had part of it in front of them), which is what is most frustrating. I realize people get rejected and ignored every day, but what I'm not sure about is if I should keep sending to agents or perhaps try an editor at a small press or something.

You see, my novel's target audience would be males, from their teens up through middle age or so. Out of the people who have read it so far, females haven't been as engaged with it as guys have. But the guys have really connected to it. I don't think it's guy-lit as we've known it, but more along the lines of books like Huckleberry Finn, On the Road, or Stephen King's short story "The Body" (which, of course, became the movie Stand By Me). It focuses on the brotherly relationship of four backwoods Texas young men, and, as such, hinges on their interaction. Obviously, this is something women probably won't be interested in (or might get tired of after a while). There's more to it than just that, like the main character going to New York after a girl he used to know who has become a celebrity (singer/actress), but anyway...

Is a story like this anathema in today's marketplace? I know the closest genre to it would be guy-lit, and that pretty much died a couple of years ago without making much of a fuss. Is the memory of that failure steering agents away from novels focused on men? Do the novels have to be tailored to women, even if they're about men? I guess this kind of ties in with the whole "Do Men Read?" thread. Personally, I think men read, they just don't browse bookstores. Would they read if their significant other gave the book to them? That's another topic, though.

It's not encouraging either that the form rejections I've received are signed by female assistants to the agents, most of whom I've found out, upon searching through the agency's website more (or seeing their myspace profiles--yes, a lot of people in the publishing industry have myspace profiles where you can find out about their personal tastes), are Ivy League graduates who really enjoy serious literary fiction. Are these the people making the decision on a book like mine--one written by a Texas boy who graduated from his local college? If so, am I screwed? I guess that's the basic question here--am I screwed with New York agencies? Should I look local or try a smaller publisher? I've even had the recommendation of a decently well-known author of books like mine, and still nothing (his East Coast agent rejected me--form, of course--and the West Coast I still haven't heard from after a few months).

I'm starting on my next book right now (just outlining and brainstorming), but I really don't want this first book to be ignored.

Anyway, that's that. Any thoughts? Anybody else run into similar situations? I want to write about things pertaining to being a man in today's society, but is that basically career suicide?

I look forward to engaging in this community.

Thanks in advance for the help,
Nathan
 

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Would it matter if the book wasn't hot for the market?
If you don't want to ignore this book and if you want its publication, then I say keep at it.

I'm inexperienced with publication, so perhaps further posts will hope. But I believe that anything can sell as long as it was written well and with heart.
 

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1) Fine-tune your query. If you aren't getting a nibble that strikes me as the first place to look.

2) There's nothing wrong (and quite a lot right) with exploring the small press world. Just be sure you're hitting the legitimate ones -- the ones with bookstore presence.

3) While all this is going on I sure hope you've started your next novel.
 

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wow

Wow, that was an unbelievably quick reponse! I can't believe you even read all that in that little time.

To answer your question though, I've been pitching it in a way as a comic literary novel, I guess. I haven't actually used the word "literary", nor the words "commercial" or "mainstream." "Comic", yes. I've been saying "comic novel", whatever that implies. It leans more toward literary because the plot is more character-driven, but it's reads at a fairly quick pace, so...
 

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I would also suggest posting your query in the "Share your work" forum and let us take a peek. Maybe the query isn't gardnering the right level of interest?

Good luck!
 

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Nathan,

I can't really give a definitive opinion without knowing all the details but:

1) Are there any books remotely similar to yours currently on the shelves of your local bookstores? If so, who publishes them, and who are the authors' agents? And have you queried those publishers and agents?

2) I'm also wondering if your query is really the best you can make it. What you've said about the novel in your post has me wondering, "Yeah, but what's the book about?" In order to get the fish to bite, you have to have bait that looks and tastes and smells exciting to the fish.

You might try posting your query letter in the Share Your Work forum (there's a whole section devoted to query letters.) You can write the best novel in the world, but if your query letter doesn't excite the interest of an editor, it may never get published.

As for the whole "males don't read" thing: It's true males don't read as much as females, but they do read, and publishers are looking for books to expand that market. If your book is good enough to engage male readers, someone will buy it.

Don't give up. If it's a publishable novel, someone will eventually publish it.
 

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nathann said:
Wow, that was an unbelievably quick reponse! I can't believe you even read all that in that little time.

I write really slow. I started my response when you only had one reply, and look how many people had time to post in between Dama's reply and mine... :tongue
 

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I hate to say ditto, but I will anyway.

If no one is interested in even reading a partial, it is the query.

If they are reading the ms and not interested it is the novel.

Don't assume that women won't like a story just because it is about men. If it is authentic in it's portrayal of relationships, woman might find it instructional. Or that could come live at my house with my husband and sons and EVEN the freakin' dogs are MALE! Ahem.

Anyway. Ditto.
 

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Great Feedback

Thanks guys, this is really great feedback. So I'll definitely take my query to the query critique section.

I'm doing pretty good research on the agents I'm sending queries to, even though it's hard to find books like this that have had much success. Also, it's not really a "cool" guy's book, so that makes it tougher. In movie terms, my book would be "Stand By Me" as opposed to most guy books being "Fight Club", if that makes any sense. It's more heart and less hardness.

Yeah, I kind of figured that I haven't reached anywhere near the give-up point as far as how many rejections I've received, I just didn't know if I was headed in the wrong direction. I could honestly care less if the book was ever hot for the market, I just didn't know if I was even going to be considered in the market.
 

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nathann,

If it helps at all, I'm a woman and it sounds like something I'd read. That said, I agree with Spooky about the Query Critique board. After all rejections on my first query, I send it to the board for surgery, and have my first partial out there.

Good luck.
 

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Hi nathann,

Don't underestimate the attraction of these type of novels to the female audience as well, as long as the book is well written and engaging, I have no problem reading books like Huck Finn, On the Road - and others you don't mention, like Sideways.

I wonder if calling it a comic novel is doing you a disservice, I read that and think comic-book rather than comedic.

As the others have said, sharing your query in the "Share your work" might be helpful.

Good luck with this - and with the next novel.
 

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Oh, and by the way, Nate, welcome to AW.

I think you'll find it a great resource and a guilty pleasure when it comes to stalling the actual writing.
 

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definitely not

Veinglory, I definitely haven't been telling people that women won't read it (especially not agents--I would never think to tell them who will or won't read something). It's just my own suspicions based on the difference in feedback I've received from males and females who have read it so far. Interestingly, more girls wanted to read it than guys at first, but their responses were kind of so-so compared to how the guys related to it.

Yeshanu, I haven't really told you the book's plot or anything because I didn't want to clutter up that first post (since it was long enough as it is). I thought I'd just give a brief reference point.

I'll post a sample query in the other section and then link to it from here. I can tell you right now that the query is more informative than that first post, I was just trying to frame a certain question.
 

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Maybe you know a certain type of woman? the female readership is diverse and spends far more money on books than men do. (In terms of 'diverse', consider that I write almost exclusively about gay men, my readership is 95% female)
 

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Cath, that's a good point on the wording of "comic" vs. "comedic". I've never thought of that. Also, Sideways is a great comparison for the book, whether it is in the way the guys interact, the flow of the story, or the heart vs. hardness.
 

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Cath said:
I wonder if calling it a comic novel is doing you a disservice, I read that and think comic-book rather than comedic.

I think this may be the problem too. Agents read 'comic' and instantly head for the 'not right for me' rejection slips. Maybe if you marketed it as 'mainstream' to mainstream agents, you'd get a better response.

Also, get the query looked at. You can learn loads about writing querys from Evil Editor's blog.
 

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Nathan,

Please post your query letter in the appropriate forum and I will read it with great care and attention. I have personally critiqued over one hundred query letters and can promise you a fair and objective analysis of the query. ;)

I am also brutally honest and will point out any flaws with the opening (hook), middle section (well defined) and closing. So if you are willing to learn and listen then I think many people here will be of a great service to your endeavor.

Best wishes,

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Go to a bookstore, find books similar to yours, and try those publishers.

It took two years worth of rejections, total rewrites and at least 25 rewrites of chapter one before I sold my first book--which was remarkably fast.

Prior to that the book just wasn't in good enough shape to sell.

Get someone to beta-read it or workshop it for feedback.

I notice you use a lot of very, very long sentences. Do you use the same device in your fiction? If so, you might want to break them up. Try reading the book aloud to yourself. If you have to pause to draw breath in mid-sentence it might be a bit too long. Just a thought. :)
 
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I don't think the real issue is whether it's "male" or "female" literature, but is it a good story? Would I care about these characters? Does it engage readers? I am a woman and I've certainly enjoyed many so-called "guy" books, including, of course On the Road, as well as Deliverance, Huckleberry Finn, Catcher in the Rye, City of Night and obviously I could go on and on with the list. If your novel is well-written and is worthy, it will find its home--and its audience. Hang in there and don't give up.
 

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blackbird said:
I don't think the real issue is whether it's "male" or "female" literature, but is it a good story? Would I care about these characters? Does it engage readers? I am a woman and I've certainly enjoyed many so-called "guy" books, including, of course On the Road, as well as Deliverance, Huckleberry Finn, Catcher in the Rye, City of Night and obviously I could go on and on with the list. If your novel is well-written and is worthy, it will find its home--and its audience. Hang in there and don't give up.

Agreed, heartily.

As a guy, you may be surprised to hear that I loved Pride and Prejudice and Wuthering Heights. Those are mainly seen for a more feminine audience but they were written superbly and with brilliance, so don't give me slack just because they're classics.

Then again, let's not be so hasty as to compare ourselves with classic British literature--but, still, you get the point.
 

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In my opinion, when agents say "not right for me" it just means the book isn't ready to be published. When agents don't get past the query, you definitely should take that as a sign it needs work. The query and then the first fifty pages have to be brilliant. Followed by the rest of the book.
However, I completely agree with you that today's gauntlet of first having to get your manuscript by a 22 year old Ivy League female first reader is depressing and deflating (especially if your references are all from the sixties. Yours may not be. But mine are.)
 
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