The Ever-Tumultuous Writing Process.....

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I really like hearing about people's writing processes. I find it interesting. In case any of you find it interesting, I had a very up and down writing day today....

I tried writing this current screenplay from the beginning with only a vague idea of where I was going. I don't usually write like this. Usually I outline, outline, outline and then write. But I decided to try something new and wow it ended up being a mess! I start writing from the beginning and that around page 40 I really needed to try to plan where I was going. Instead of doing this, I just started writing scenes I knew happened. Then I just had all these floating scenes and ended up having to write connecting scenes and now I have a first draft (except for the first couple and last couple of scenes in which I still don't know what happens). But it's a very incomplete first draft.

The best of all this is looking at my almost finished first draft I realized I had a major problem in the middle. The screenplay weaves two stories and in one them -- nothing happens, for pages and pages. Everytime we cut back to them they're walking and talking and nothing else happens. But I took a nap today (it's too hot in the afternoons lately to do anything else, I have no A/C) and had a revelation about their story. It's a big change so at this point I think I'll just almost start over in the re-write. I wish I had come up with this idea before I wrote the whole thing! Better late than never....

Anyway, writing it from the beginning and not entirely plotting the whole thing I figured I'd come up with the ending when I got there. And guess what, I still don't know what happens. So now I have to sit around and ponder that. What have you guys done in the past when you get to the end and don't know what happens? I actually have a final climactic scene where my protagonist and antagonist confront each other but I don't know how it's going to end up....

But I guess for now I'm really just going to tack a couple scenes on the beginning and throw together some ending (who knows, maybe I'll like it) just to say I have a complete first draft. I already have pages and pages of notes about the massive second draft overhaul ahead of me. Because I'm usually such a frantic outliner I've never done such an extensive re-write. But re-writing is writing no? Isn't that what they say?

So anyone have any advice for some of the problems I'm having? Any tips? Also, how's your screenplay going? Did you not figure out your main character was gay till page 82? I want to hear all about it.....
 

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zeprosnepsid said:
I really like hearing about people's writing processes. I find it interesting. In case any of you find it interesting, I had a very up and down writing day today....
The old roller coaster ride. Winging it is rarely productive, as it seems you experienced, I dunno. Me I don't putline so much, used to do treatments, but in more recent times I do it all in my head, and will not sit down at the keyboard until I know things soooooo well, forty mules couldn't keep me from it. In that mode I'll blow through a first draft in three or four weeks and have some fairly decent product which can be developed.

But I'm not about to hit the keyboard without a pretty solid grip on the beginning, middle, and end, inciting incident, character arcs and main twists and turns, but especially the finale'. I woke up on page 40 with nowhere to go and 60 pages laying on the floor too many times to ever try to make that dog hunt again. I'll wait, wait until the thing is screaming in my head to be birthed and come out.

zeprosnepsid said:
But I guess for now I'm really just going to tack a couple scenes on the beginning and throw together some ending (who knows, maybe I'll like it) just to say I have a complete first draft. I already have pages and pages of notes about the massive second draft overhaul ahead of me. Because I'm usually such a frantic outliner I've never done such an extensive re-write. But re-writing is writing no? Isn't that what they say?
They do indeed, except it's usually expressed the opposite way, "writing is rewriting," and it is a truism.

That second draft should be a kick. Now you'll be down to the business, no more flying blind. Now you will know, and that's always a good thing. You traded outlining for a whacked out run through a "first draft," maybe not such a bad deal afterall, even though we'd probably not recommend it.

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So anyone have any advice for some of the problems I'm having? Any tips? Also, how's your screenplay going? Did you not figure out your main character was gay till page 82? I want to hear all about it.....
LOL!

Doesn't seem to me you're having problems you can't handle. Just writing a post like this helps organize your thoughts and ideas on how to proceed. Just keep banging at it man, you'll be fine.

Me I'm between projects at the moment. Wrote all last winter, finished an exciting piece in time to get it into the Nicholl, then heaved a huge sigh of relief and took a break, with the old idea machine churning in the back of my head. Summer isn't a good time to be writing for me, too hot, too much work around the old spread, too much fun in the river. But the idea machine churns, and come fall I'll have something ginned up and ready to write. I can feel it coming. Meanwhile, I gotta go feed the chickens.

Hang in and keep plowing!
 

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Yeah, in the end I think that writing this mess of a first draft wasn't a bad way of just getting all the ideas out. The reason I started just writing it from the beginning is because I have a tendency to outline forever and ever and never get around to really writing. I also didn't entirely know where I was going. But this first draft turned into a big brainstorming process and know, except for the ending, I do know where I'm going. It's a very roundabout route but as long as it ends up somewhere good then it's fine =)

I agree about the heat. I've been dragging and dragging on this screenplay because a lot of days it's too hot to work. Not very inducive to creative (or thinking in any reasonable manner) if you ask me.

Thanks for the words of encouragement!
 

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I write most of my stories, poetry, and screenplays from the top of my head. It is very disorganized, but on a personal basis, I find it more easier than writing outline after outline as i lose them, or misplace them or just dont feel like messing with them when the time comes. With screenplays its different, because you want it to be perect enough for the competetive field that it is and that is if you plan on submitting it- I personally take notes, and I have people that I speak to on a constant basis about my scenes and plot so I don't forget when I come back.

Just pick your best formula. If outlining works for you, stick to outlining, and if you attempt a different stragedy then just do the best you can that is all you can do, next time you'll learn and grow as a writer. personally, I have never, ever completed an outline; I start it then I just start the the first draft, some of my best work is done from the top of my head and making things up as I go along, in the end you revise it and re-read it and edit until it is perfect to the tee. That is my advise-
Good luck to you-
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I do a little of both. I'll start writing off the top of my head until I hit a lull. I'll take that time to think about a few things, outline the next chapter or two, and then with fresh ideas, I keep going.

I've never outlined a whole book at once. I usually write/outline/write etc. It helps me keep tabs on my characters and make any directional changes when these characters take over as they always seem to do.

I'm in this forum because one of my novels would be better as a script (I think/hope), so I am using that as my script outline. I've already made lots of changes when writing the script, so we'll see how long my "outline" lasts.
 

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Outlines!

Down to scenes and length of time.

The more meticulous the less time I have to spend in the rewrite. I'm really lazy that way.

I love to write. I even enjoy rewriting. I just hate needless rewriting.

Outlines help me avoid that. I even read them outloud to my wife, to see if she feels the story is incomplete in some way.
 

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Typically I roll a story around in my head for some length of time before putting it to paper. I don't like writing outlines, synopses or treatments; I've tried numerous times to write them but they end up sounding banal and idle. I'm much too anxious to jump into writing the dialogue and giving my characters a voice.

That having been said, I also just write off the top of my head. Starting with a particular scenario that's jumped into my head, a specific scene, or a line of dialogue. I'll write it out on Final Draft, and then write around it; seeing what may have led to the scene, or what that scene may lead to.

I won't go into my rewriting "process"; suffice to say that writing is rewriting, and I rewrite A LOT. And it takes however long it takes me until I'm pleased with it, be it a month or a year.