How do you get published

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I have a question for all of the experienced authors on this board. After reading about all the online literary agency scams... HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET PUBLISHED???? And what are some good legitimate literary agencies that will actually read my m.s and repond back?
 

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Clara bow, if you could kindly give my the address to the Black Magic literary agency and your experience with them i would greatly appreciate it lol
 

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Write a good book, and at least a few of the hundreds of legit agents would read it.

Now, if you don't know where to look for these agents to submit, give me $50,000 and I will find them for you.

Did I say write a good book?
 

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Write a good book
Identify your genre
Find agents and/or publishers of that genre
Approach them according to their stated guidelines.
 

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You have some initial serious work to do, and while this site contains a wealth of useful information (and some not so useful), it isn't square one. Go to your local library or bookstore, and browse the reference section for books on writing and publishing. Especially look at the various flavors of Writer's Market. Read the articles contained therein, and you will get a good, reliable background on the publishing business and how it works from a writer's viewpoint.

Quick bits of advice: NEVER pay anything up front to an agent. NEVER submit to an agent or publisher who directs you to a private "editing service" for which you have to pay. If you can, join a writers' critique group, at least for a while. Read Sol Stein's and Stephen King's books on writing, as a start. There are a lot of other good ones, too, and browsing threads on this site you'll run across recommendations. DO NOT root for the New York Yankees.

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I definitely agree. Say no to the Yankees. But then again, I am a Phillies fan, so what do I know.

As for the published thing, the best advice I have received so far is don't give up.
 

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I say no to Yankees on principle, but I'm southern, so I'm not referring to the baseball team. ;)

Just write. Get it done, get it workable, get it into the most magnificant condition you can imagine. Then, go to the bookstore and find a book that you not only like, but is similar to yours. Look at the spine. See who published it. Send your book to them. Go work on writing something else. Eventually, you will get an acceptance, or a rejection, and in the case of the latter, you go find the publisher you like second-best and send it to them.

....or, there are just about a billion other ways you can do it. There aren't any hard rules to publishing, just things which are good ideas, and things which are bad ideas, and lots of things in between.

Always remember, there are plenty of people who would steal the pennies off a dead man's eyes, and plenty of people who do not have your best interests at heart. Be careful.
 

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bloodsweatandink said:
Hello,
I have a question for all of the experienced authors on this board. After reading about all the online literary agency scams... HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET PUBLISHED???? And what are some good legitimate literary agencies that will actually read my m.s and repond back?

I wish I could remeber who said it, but whoever it was had it down pat. "Getting published is easy. It's writing something publishable is that's hard."

It is, in fact, one of the most difficult things in the world to do.

So the first thing you have to do is write something publishable. No easy trick. But once you do this, you're about 98% of the way there. This really is the ticket to everything.

Scam agents are easy to avoid. They're the ones who charge you money, and they're the ones who have no track record. An agent who represents a number of selling writers, and who sells the novels of these writers to top publishers, is not a scam agent.

Good agents do read what you send them. They may or may not respond. But if you send an agent something she believes is publishable, she will certainly respond.

By "publishable," I mean something an agent believes a publisher will buy, and something a publisher believes readers will buy.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
Good agents do read what you send them. They may or may not respond. But if you send an agent something she believes is publishable, she will certainly respond.

By "publishable," I mean something an agent believes a publisher will buy, and something a publisher believes readers will buy.

Of course you can't send an agent something “she believes is publishable.” All you can do is send an agent something you believe an agent will believe is publishable. After that, it's out of your control, and unless you are a telepath, you have no way of knowing what, on any particular day, an agent actually will believe.


Then when you're proved wrong in your belief by forty or fifty consecutive rejections or non-responses, to continue believing in your belief gets more difficult.


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I think the biggest mistake any Newbie writer makes is thinking this process is going to be as easy as finding a listing in the yellow pages, and mailing that manuscript off. It's not easy. It's difficult if you don't know what you're doing, and a challenge once you learn.

If you've never tried this before, or you've only JUST begun to ask yourself how it's done, then consider yourself enrolled in school. First, you came here. If you study this forum, read hundreds of threads in various 'rooms' and know that this isn't going to happen over night - you're halfway there.

Now, write. Know your genre and what's expected of it (something you'll learn here). Don't even consider looking for an agent until your ms is complete. Those who posted above me have given you golden advice, and people who will post below me will as well.

When you have that ms completed, and you've worked up the best query you can, and you're looking for agents in all the right places (something you'll learn here also) then you're three-quarters of the way done.

Don't let the facts and hard work get you down, but accept them as facts. This ain't easy, but it's do-able.
 

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All of your tips are great and thank you for the support. I've sent my synopsis and my manuscript to alot of publishing agencies and most of them want to know, in the submission part, the history of your novel and who you already sent it to. I want to get my book published and most of the sites said that if they don't want to publish your book, you will not get a response. If two companies are interested in my m.s, then how do i decide which is the right one to go with? I've already read the story about that one agent who scammed people, then died, then resurfaced and gotr arrested and I would like to avoid those kind of people. Has anyone here published a book? And who published it for you?
 

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bloodsweatandink said:
I've already read the story about that one agent who scammed people, then died, then resurfaced and gotr arrested and I would like to avoid those kind of people.

To answer this part of your questions: do not deal with agents who charge fees. If you avoid them, you will avoid the vast majority of scam agents. Legitimate agents make money only when you do.
 

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blacbird said:
Of course you can't send an agent something “she believes is publishable.” All you can do is send an agent something you believe an agent will believe is publishable. After that, it's out of your control, and unless you are a telepath, you have no way of knowing what, on any particular day, an agent actually will believe.


Then when you're proved wrong in your belief by forty or fifty consecutive rejections or non-responses, to continue believing in your belief gets more difficult.


caw.

Well, you have a lot more control over this than many think.

I've been reading bestselling novels for a bit more than forty years now. I've also been reading novels that are good, that sold well, even if they didn't make the bestseller list, for something over forty years now. I've read thousands upon thousands.

Each one is an object lesson in what a good agent thinks will sell. Each one is also an object lesson, and complete course, in how to write a novel that sells.

Maybe more important, I know what most agents think is publishable because I read books they represent. I also read the bestseller lists, which is where agents get their own notions of what is and isn't publishable.


The problem is not knowing what an agent thinks is publishable. That's the easy part. Easy as doing a bit of reading, and the only time an agent changes her mind about what is and isn't publishable is if the market becomes glutted, or if a new and very different kind of book conquers the market. And a writer should know both is the case just as fast as the agent does.

Nope. Knowing what agents think is publishable is easy. On any day and every day. If you know what books in your genre have sold well, and if you've read them, you know what the majority of agents think is publishable. And if you read books a particular agent represents, you know what that specific agent thinks is publishable.

As always, the hard part is writing something that good enough. This is where writers fall on their face. Knowing what an agent wants doesn't improve the quality of your writing, your storytelling, your characterization, your dialogue, etc., at all.

Compare it to basketball. I know exactly what the Indiana Pacers want right now. They want a point guard who can shoot 75% from inside the line, and 55% from outside they line. They want a point guard who can run the game, pass well, and play good defense.

Every college point guard out there also knows what the Pacers want. They know exactly what the pacers want, and they work hard to give it to them. When they fail, it's not because they don't know what the Pacers want, it's because the lack the talent and skills to give it to them.

Fortunately, writers have more time to practice. College point guards usually get four years. We can practice for ten years, or for twenty, if that's what it takes. Forty or fifty consecutive rejections sure sounds depressing, but it's about four thousand rejections short of being any sort of record.

The only thing really out of a writer's control is how much, or how little, talent he has. Everything else is a matter of reading, of study, and of hard work and determination.

And, of course, Stephen King says writing is telepathy. It's sending a story from one mind to another, across time and space, with paper and ink as the medium. I think he's right. If you can send an agent or editor a story from your mind to his, just as you envision it, using paper and ink as the medium, you have a reader. But again, it's putting it on paper just the way you envision it, so the meassage comes through perfectly, that's the problem.
 
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