Tenacity or stalking?

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AnnMB

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Suppose you find an agent that you are convinced is absolutely the right one to represent your work. He/she refuses to respond to e-mail query, and has not even seen a synopsis or partial ms. Is it appropriate to keep after that agent, refusing to give up unless he/she agrees to at least look at a sample of your work? How much is too much? Sending additonal e-mails? Sending a hard-copy query to follow up the e-mails? How do you think agents respond to such pestering, and when does tenacity become stalking?
 

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Just my 2 cents:

If you haven't gotten a reply by e-mail, it's time to send a hard copy of your query. Make sure it's as absolutely perfect and as interesting as it can be. You have to hook the agent and make them want more.

But if the agent rejects your query...sorry but it's time to move on. I just can't believe that pestering them will help.
 

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Um . . . First I'd find out if that agent even wants to be queried by email. Many (if not most) of them prefer snail mail queries.

If you're getting no response - how long has it been?

If you're getting a No. Well, No means . . . No.
 

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I agree. If you get no response to an email, maybe the agent doesn't like queries by email or maybe the email never arrived. Try a paper query, following the agent's guidelines. No response, or a no, give it up.
 

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My experience -- many agents who accept e-mail submissions do not respond if they are not interested. Some even say that they will only respond if they want to read more. In the past, I've found a response rate of somewhere around 50-60% for e-mail queries. My advice -- if you want responses, go the snail mail route with a SASE.
 

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This is an agent you are querying? S/he isn't representing you?

Stop pestering. No response is a -no-. Badgering through persistent emails and/or phone calls will not be received well.

Double check the submission guidelines of the agent. If s/he only accepts snail mail, by all means, send one out. If email queries are accepted and you haven't received word, s/he's not interested.

How long ago did you send out your first query? It could take weeks/months before you hear anything anyway.

Don't want to sound like a drag, but I'd hate for you to end up on a "now she's just pissed me off" list, ya' know?
 

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AnnMB said:
Suppose you find an agent that you are convinced is absolutely the right one to represent your work. He/she refuses to respond to e-mail query, and has not even seen a synopsis or partial ms. Is it appropriate to keep after that agent, refusing to give up unless he/she agrees to at least look at a sample of your work? How much is too much? Sending additonal e-mails? Sending a hard-copy query to follow up the e-mails? How do you think agents respond to such pestering, and when does tenacity become stalking?

Always query in whatever manner the agent prefers. And make certain you know what manner this is.

Once you have queried in the manner the agent prefers, accept the results. In other words, go away and leave that agent alone until and unless you have a brand new project to query.

You get one shot with each project. When used correctly, persistance is a good thing. When used incorrectly, persistance just makes you a pain in the butt that no one wants to have anything to do with.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
You get one shot with each project.

And that is the most important thing you need to know. Which means don't waste postage/bandwidth/angst on agents whom you aren't 100% sure represent your genre, or aren't currently accepting new clients.

Make sure the work needs no typographical editing, and the prose is as perfect (in your estimation) as it can be.

Trust me, trying to force an agent's hand will only leave a bad impression, however tempting the ease of e-mail has now made it.
 

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Plus, if you pester her/him too much, you may get on her black list and other agents may hear about it, which is not good.
 

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Um...you better go here. Fast.

http://misssnark.blogspot.com/

Read past postings (they're indexed now) before you put your foot into things and this perfect agent starts mentioning you by name to his cronies over lunch.

If this person is too busy to look at your stuff and/or ducking you then drop it.

Your idea of the perfect agent may be at odds with the target's agenda. I was positive I'd found the perfect agent (she'd gotten a friend a high 6-figure deal and that SO made her right for me!).

We had a brief phone conversation. She was firm about not taking on new clients even if they'd been multi-published. However, when I asked, she did give me the name of another agency to try.

The head of the agency was also too busy--but passed me to one of her young and hungry associates.

I lucked out, and now we're both making some money.

:)
 

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I'll go against the grain here and say there's nothing wrong with a polite followup after a reasonable amount of time. A reasonable amount of time may be 6 months.
 

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zeprosnepsid said:
I'll go against the grain here and say there's nothing wrong with a polite followup after a reasonable amount of time. A reasonable amount of time may be 6 months.

A followup to inquire about the first query, yes. This should be automatic. But a new query, no, never.
 

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Thank you all for your advice. The agent in question prefers e-mail. I sent the e-mail and received no response for several weeks. I inquired as to the time frame for response and was told (by e-mail) "Immediately or never. Please try again." Unsure as to what, exactly, that meant, I changed the query around, got opinions on what was wrong/right with it, and re-sent it. I also sent it snail-mail with an SASE, just to make sure he got it. I haven't received a response to either.

I had read a "real-life" story about an author who kept badgering a particular agent, even to the point of showing up at his office, until the agent finally agreed to read the manuscript. He wound up taking it, and both agent and author became very successful. So I wondered if that was what I was supposed to be doing.

I don't want the guy to get a restraining order against me. I just wanted to get his attention. Maybe I shoulda sent him flowers :- ) Time to move on, I guess.

Thanks again, all you glorious sages. You have perhaps saved me from making a total fool of myself.
 

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Oh my gosh...the restraining order thing was just too hilarious. I totally believe that the stories we hear about people badgering agents and ultimately becoming successful are definitely the exception not the rule. I'd hate to see you on the 5 o'clock news being handcuffed outside the agent's office....LOL
 

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AnnMB said:
I had read a "real-life" story about an author who kept badgering a particular agent, even to the point of showing up at his office,

Yes, there are always going to be the big lottery winners who give us hope, but the odds are against this working. If a writer turned up on my doorstep demanding action I'd be going "WTF?" and set the dogs on him, but that's just me. Follow their guidelines, be professional, and write well; that's all they want.

Start looking at other agents. If the first gets off his duff and takes you on, you can always tell the new ones thanks-but-nevermind.

Check the websites of writers whose work is similar to yours and ask them (polite, brief, and with no synopsis of your book) if they would share the name of their agent with you. Most don't mind doing that much. Then you say thanks and vanish from their radar. If you get representation and a sale send them a copy of the book as a thank you. ;)
 

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it is one of those irregular verb conjugations isn't it?

I am a determined and persistent writer
You annoy people
He has a restraining order
 

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What part of "NO" don't you understand?

caw.

Gee, blacbird, did you take a nasty pill or something? Besides, he never said "no." He said "try again."

And if you will stop being lazy and read the previous posts, you will see that I have already conceded the point.
 

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AnnMB said:
Gee, blacbird, did you take a nasty pill or something? Besides, he never said "no." He said "try again."

And if you will stop being lazy and read the previous posts, you will see that I have already conceded the point.

I don't think it's been pointed out that "try again" is a good thing. It means try again with a new project, of course, but it's still a good thing.
 

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I had my "perfect agent" in mind a few years ago. I sent a hardcopy query; never heard anything back. A few months later, I sent a follow-up by email. Never heard back. After that, I figured it was time to move on. There are still times when I wonder if I did everything I possibly could have to get my query in front of her, if I'd left any potential stone unturned. I would wonder if I, in fact, had the correct address, or if maybe another agent at the agency received that email and never forwarded it to her. Recently, I discovered that a published writer who visited our creative writing program while I was at MSU happened to have this particular agent whom I was courting, though I did not discover the fact until about two years after her visit. The irony is, I spent hours talking one on one to this writer because she had been told by my instructors what a "great" writer I am. Well, I could have kicked myself for not knowing (or should I say, perhaps, for not asking). And, of course, most published writers don't go around broadcasting that kind of information unless you do ask them. That might have been a perfect opportunity to make a personal connection with this agent, but I was unaware and so didn't take advantage of the opportunity.

However, unless another such godsent opportunity comes my way, I probably will not pester that agent again. Two queries is certainly enough.
I moved on and found someone who was interested.
 

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If you haven't gotten a reply by e-mail, it's time to send a hard copy of your query.

I'd say so too. About half my e-mail queries never got a response, and it's been a while so I'm going to follow up with a snail mail one. Given that some e-mails never make it to their destination, get snagged by spam filters, or even deleted by accident, I think this is reasonable. But that'll be it. No response to a hard copy with an SASE and I'm moving on.
 

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Sometimes it takes awhile for an agent to work down the pile to one's letter.

Imagine getting all at once 100 letters that must be opened and read, evaluating whether the writer is worth your time or not (using spellcheck and a return SASE gets you points there) then making a reply of some sort to that person.

Then you have to read and evaluate the hundred sample chapters that also arrived with their SASE's & outlines and either put them into the slim "maybe" pile, trash the ones with no SASE or drop in the much taller "return" pile.

And with all this mail to check you still have to bathe, eat, look in on the family, and try to have some kind of life.

Then imagine getting ANOTHER 100 query letters & sample chapters the next day and the next and the....

One week of that and I'd go back to flipping burgers. :eek:
 
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