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If anyone can give me some insight on the questions below, I'd really appreciate it. Some background into the question is that this is a present day novel with a MC who has spent their entire life in the system (a juvie facility at a young age before being transferred to a psych institute) before breaking free and shortly afterward being caught.

1: In a moderately populated city (nothing like NYC or any other major city), is it possible for a police station to have a uni-sex holding area? At the moment, I have people seperated by gender in the same cell but there is a mixture of males/females in the same holding room.

2: In regards to the question above, is it likely there will even be a holding cell for people or will they go directly to a main lock-up?

3: In regards to the entire concept, said MC was convicted of manslaughter at a very young age. Counting MC's escape, what is the likelihood that they would be placed in this holding cell until the proper authorites can arrive to transport my MC back 'home'?

Any other detail for background/environment purposes is also very much appreciated.
 

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Hi Jeni. I hope I can help you out a bit here! As much as I hate to admit it I have first hand experience with jail (all of 4 months). Here are some answers as best I can answer!

1: In a moderately populated city (nothing like NYC or any other major city), is it possible for a police station to have a uni-sex holding area? .....

A: In the majority of county jails, no. The only possible exception would be the "fish tank", a see-through room where the drunks go but I've honestly never heard of them mixing the sexes in holding. Well, except for the time my husband got put into a holding cell with a woman by accident.....they were the only ones in there, too. lol :) But, no matter what the deputies will keep the males from the females.

2: In regards to the question above, is it likely there will even be a holding cell for people or will they go directly to a main lock-up?
You almost always stay in holding for at least several hours before being populated. I, personally, sat there for 5 days. Then they take you, make you pour pesticide in your hair and take a quick shower. You dress out and they take you to your pod.

3: In regards to the entire concept, said MC was convicted of manslaughter at a very young age. Counting MC's escape, what is the likelihood that they would be placed in this holding cell until the proper authorites can arrive to transport my MC back 'home'?

100%. Even if it's only one county away that he has to go it could take days or weeks for them to get around to picking him up.


I hope that this helps some! I'd be happy to answer anymore questions you have. Feel free to pick my brain. Something good oughta come out of the experience (well, one thing already did....)!

-Jess
 

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Jeni said:
1: In a moderately populated city (nothing like NYC or any other major city), is it possible for a police station to have a uni-sex holding area? At the moment, I have people seperated by gender in the same cell but there is a mixture of males/females in the same holding room.

2: In regards to the question above, is it likely there will even be a holding cell for people or will they go directly to a main lock-up?

3: In regards to the entire concept, said MC was convicted of manslaughter at a very young age. Counting MC's escape, what is the likelihood that they would be placed in this holding cell until the proper authorites can arrive to transport my MC back 'home'?

1. The booking area will usually be unisex, but I've never seen mixed holding cells.

2. There is always a holding cell used while processing, etc. No one would ever go straight to the main jail.

3. It would be much more likely that the MC would need to be processed into the facility and then transferred out, but I can't say for sure that your scenario is impossible in every jurisdiction.

All these procedures are for adults. If the MC is still a juvenile at the time of arrest, it's a whole different story.

If you're a stickler, you can do this: Pick a mid-sized city like Jacksonville, Fla or Salt Lake City, call the jail and ask for the jail spokesman, or PR guy, or whatever they call him/her. Explain to him/her what and why you're asking, and you may be surprised. You might actually get some help.
 

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This is how it works in our two local jails, both of which are relatively small (holding approx 75-100 prisoners at full capacity):

1: Males and females would never be held in the same cell, not during processing nor after they are processed, not in the drunk tank, nothing. Even when they are in general population they are not in an area where they can see or speak to prisoners of the opposite sex. Never. Even if there are two officers booking two seperate arrests (one male and one female) they will not be in the booking area together. One will wait in the security garage until the other is processed.

2: I know that some of the bigger jails do have holding cells but in our jails the officer is required to stay with his/her prisioner until he is processed. There are no holding cells...once they are booked in, they go to the holding cell aka drunk tank until arraingment in the morning.

3: If the subject was picked up for flight from a charge as serious as manslaughter they would bypass the holding cell, since a warrant does not require they see the magistrate in the morning, and go directly to a high security cell in solitary. Someone that has previously escaped and has a charge as serious as this would be treated very differently from your run of the mill drunk or domestic violence arrest. You can bet he would come in wearing cuffs and leg irons which would not be removed until he was in his cell, even during booking.

He would be held in the high security cell until the police agency with the charges was able to come and get him. And you can bet it wouldn't be long...
 

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Wow! It's always fascinating to see differences in how things work!

kristie911 said:
This is how it works in our two local jails, both of which are relatively small (holding approx 75-100 prisoners at full capacity):

Okay, our local jail has a bed size of 125. But we hope to add another 100 onto that real soon. So we're about the same size:

kristie911 said:
1: Males and females would never be held in the same cell, not during processing nor after they are processed, not in the drunk tank, nothing. Even when they are in general population they are not in an area where they can see or speak to prisoners of the opposite sex. Never. Even if there are two officers booking two seperate arrests (one male and one female) they will not be in the booking area together. One will wait in the security garage until the other is processed.

Not so here. We'll process them either together unless they are co-conspirators OR co-victims OR one is a victim arrested on an unrelated charge. Unless we don't have the staff for multiple bookings (which is common) in which case one is held in a holding cell while the other is booked.

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2: I know that some of the bigger jails do have holding cells but in our jails the officer is required to stay with his/her prisioner until he is processed. There are no holding cells...once they are booked in, they go to the holding cell aka drunk tank until arraingment in the morning.

Semantics here but our 'drunk tank' is called 'holding'. For us there are only three reasons to be left in a holding cell:

Intoxicated by some substance
suicidal
getting out relatively soon (say, less than a day, so those who are going to bail in a few hours, civil protective custody, courtesy holds, etc)

Though, our arraignments take up to three or four weeks to happen. We have a '72 hour appearence' which is basically where the judge has reviewed the probable cause for arrest and then tells the detainee what they are charged with and what their bail is...but arraignment? Not for some time. (mostly because of how busy our courts are and how long our DA has to file charges).

kristie911 said:
3: If the subject was picked up for flight from a charge as serious as manslaughter they would bypass the holding cell, since a warrant does not require they see the magistrate in the morning, and go directly to a high security cell in solitary. Someone that has previously escaped and has a charge as serious as this would be treated very differently from your run of the mill drunk or domestic violence arrest. You can bet he would come in wearing cuffs and leg irons which would not be removed until he was in his cell, even during booking.

We don't automatically put people into solitary for manslaughter (which usually denotes death by accidental but criminal reasons, such as DUI, arson, etc. While the intent wasn't to kill, actions lead to death) but we do put them in felony blocks. Mainly because we don't have a lot of solitary cells to fill up with all sorts of bad criminals.

We do treat escapees with a higher degree of security and will isolate them for a time, but we'll also be sure to put them into general population after a bit of time with assorted precautions. But we won't always keep them shackled up unless their demeanor/attitude warrants it.

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He would be held in the high security cell until the police agency with the charges was able to come and get him. And you can bet it wouldn't be long...

This also depends on where the charges are out of (another state?) and whether there are local charges? Chances are there is a local charge since the person was picked up on the warrant. But we have held bad criminals for a good long time on our 'local' charges and then even longer when they decided to fight extradition on the fugitive warrant. In Nevada, the extradition (if they fight it) can take up to four months. Three for the jurisdiction to prove this is the person they are looking for and then an additional month to obtain a governor's warrant ordering the return of the prisoner.

But reading your post gives me some ideas that I should run by our admin. Thanks for posting it.

Rabe...
 

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Rabe said:
We do treat escapees with a higher degree of security and will isolate them for a time, but we'll also be sure to put them into general population after a bit of time with assorted precautions. But we won't always keep them shackled up unless their demeanor/attitude warrants it.

The only reason they would stay shackled until they were processed is because of the previous escape. Same for the high security cell...here it's generally empty anyway. Just a precaution because we certainly wouldn't want to give him another chance to escape!
 

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Unisex

Stick opppsite genders in the same cell and you have a lawsuit waiting to happen. Even if it proves groundless, it can still cost a lot of money to defend.
 

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Here is how it works in my neck of the woods.

1. Unisex? Absolutely not. Never. Not for a minute. No juveniles in with adults. No men and women together. As James says, it is a huge lawsuit waiting to happen and just a plain bad idea.

2. There are no holding cells. An officer takes custody of a defendant until that person is processed and custody passes to the jail and they are placed in a pod. Process includes confirming identity and a health screening.

3. Even if someone is being held for another jurisdiction, they are processed the same way and placed in a pod. It can take some time for the jurisdiction to come and pick them up. This is true even if the jurisdiction is relatively close. We don't pick up from nearby counties except for every two weeks. It just isn't cost effective to run the van back and forth all the time.

FYI, I am describing a county jail. A city jail may be smaller but I don't know of any jail in my area that houses men and women within each other's sight. In a smaller jail or city jail, they are even less like to have special holding cells.
 
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Soccer Mom said:
Here is how it works in my neck of the woods.

1. Unisex? Absolutely not. Never. Not for a minute. No juveniles in with adults. No men and women together. As James says, it is a huge lawsuit waiting to happen and just a plain bad idea.

Which, in regards to juveniles, is actually federal law. Which makes it really annoying when someone comes back with their kids, or a cub scout pack for a tour, or some other reason a juvenile is in the jail and fails to tell the control room so the place can be locked down.

Soccer Mom said:
Soccer Mom said:
2. There are no holding cells. An officer takes custody of a defendant until that person is processed and custody passes to the jail and they are placed in a pod. Process includes confirming identity and a health screening.

Even your intoxicated persons? Is there a specific pod for them? We're hugely concerned about the liability issue if an intoxicated person hurts themself by falling.

Soccer Mom said:
FYI, I am describing a county jail. A city jail may be smaller but I don't know of any jail in my area that houses men and women within each other's sight. In a smaller jail or city jail, they are even less like to have special holding cells.

Unfortunately ours does. Why? We have a really incompentant county attorney and a former undersheriff who cared more about complaints from the girls who could no longer play around with the guys rather than what is in the best interest of the facility.

Of course, most of the cities around me have holding capacities in the thousands. In a recent conversation with my orthopedic doctor, he was surprised by our measly 125 person holding capacity and then got really surprised when I told him the holding capacity of his city's jail and then the one of a more populous county on the other side of me. I guess it's refreshing to see that people still don't see a lot of crime.

Rabe...
 

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1. Never unisex however I've been in jails(why yes, Gromhard HAS led an interesting life.) where the males and females were only separated by bars though. My girlfriend once did a week in a county jail where the male/female cells were next to one another and the females prisoners would give handjobs in exchange for cigarettes bought from males on work release.

2. Depends on what you mean by "main lockup", there's processing, depending on how busy the jail is you may or may not be locked up before or during processing.
They fingerprint you, take your picture and you go to a cell to wait for the judge.
(like james said, a fugitive isn't going to need to see a judge.)

3. Okay...at the risk of sharing a little too much about myself...I've been an escaped fugitive....and no, you're not going to a city jail for longer than a few hours. The second they can they will transport you to a county or federal facility. During your time in police custody I doubt your handcuffs and manacles will be removed once, mine weren't, for 12 hours and I lost feeling and the use of my hands for three days after.
When I did go to the city jail to await transport they MOVED all other prisons out of my cell, they were over crowded as it was but they ended up moving 15 girls into the same cell and 25 guys to give me my own cell.
And I wasn't up for manslaughter or any other violent crime.

HOWEVER
One time I was at county(not fugitive time) and they would usually ask us "Do you expect to get bailed out tonight."
If the answer was "no" then you got the orange jumpsuit and they put you in with the other prisoners. However if the answer was "Yes" Then you got to go wait in this nice, carpetted waiting room, no jumpsuit(unless like me, you'd been arrested half naked....LONG humiliating story, no, no sex crime was involved, but you always watch COPS and you see some shirtless idiot in his underwear being dragged to a police car and you laugh and say "Look at that idiot, who gets arrest half naked." And then SNAP you're being drug out of your house with ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS watching and you're in your god damned underwear going "How the HELL Did this happen to me?!?")
ANYWAY...this holding room was under constant surveliance but it really wasn't like jail. Men and women(no juveniles) sitting side by side, watching a tv they had set up in the corner, shooting the **** waiting to be bailed out.
One guy said he'd been in that room for 48 hours. He said they hadn't booked him yet. He complained and the guard goes "We can hold you for up to 72 hours without filing charges" When the guy continued to complain five guards took him into a small room with no windows and beat the living **** out of him. I should mention that this was in Texas and he was black.
-Grom

EDIT- PS Just so you don't think criminals post in your midst, I was AQUITTED of all felony charges, I now have an entirely clean record and moved the HELL out of texas.
 
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Even your intoxicated persons? Is there a specific pod for them? We're hugely concerned about the liability issue if an intoxicated person hurts themself by falling.

They are placed in the medical wing until deemed to no longer pose a danger to selves. Most of them bond out by that point anyway.

Unfortunately ours does. Why? We have a really incompentant county attorney and a former undersheriff who cared more about complaints from the girls who could no longer play around with the guys rather than what is in the best interest of the facility.


Oh, that is very scary and a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Best wishes and hope you get a better county attorney!
 
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