Since Chaostitan got this week's chat log posted with such aplomb while I worried that it would be odd or weird or whatever, that it wasn't all in one piece.....
... here, and in the next two posts are the log from the initial chat, way back on March 9.
[First Official Absolute Write Science Fiction and Fantasy Forum Live Chat -- Part 1]
[Preliminaries, introductions]
* chaostitan has joined #absolutewrite
<Peter> hey chaostitan!
<Peter> didn't see you come in
<chaostitan> Heya! I just stepped in
<Peter> y'all need to make noise or sumpin'
<chaostitan> sorry, I've got another chat going in Yahoo Messenger, too
<Peter> 'cuz chances are good I'm looking at the other monitor lol
<chaostitan> I'll stomp my feet next time
<Peter> there y'go
<chaostitan> heh
<chaostitan> ooooh, color change
<Peter> this'll be a great chat if it's just you and me here
<chaostitan> I have Serenity on her way
<Peter> who?
* Serenity has joined #absolutewrite
<Peter> hey Serenity
* Serenity is now known as Serenity7474
<Serenity7474> :S
<Serenity7474> I've been changed!!!!!!!!
<chaostitan> she's .....now known as Serenity7474
<chaostitan> LOL
<chaostitan> weird
* Peter thinks Serenity7474 is apt to repeat herself.
<Serenity7474> but why not//funny
<Peter> hang on, serenity...lemme check sumpin
* chaostitan offers .LIFESAVERS.
<chaostitan> cool
* Serenity7474 waves! o/~ Hello everybody!
<chaostitan> I think I'm getting the hang of this
<Serenity7474> Sorry, I've never been to a chat like this... I'm playin LOL
<Peter> ah, the nickname "Serenity" is already registered here.
<Peter> so the powers upstairs changed yours.
* sunandshadow has joined #absolutewrite
<chaostitan> ooh someone knew
<chaostitan> ack
<chaostitan> and I say I'm a writer
<Serenity7474> That I got... it's no problem
<sunandshadow> hi
<Peter> you can change it to something else, if you like, by typing /nick a space, and your new nickname
<Peter> hey sunandshadow
<sunandshadow> hey
<chaostitan> welcome to the insanity
<Peter> heh
<Peter> so you are all using the Javachat link from the forums?
<sunandshadow> sff chat starting now/soon?
<Serenity7474> Hey, *we're* the sane ones... it's the rest of the world that's fracked up
<sunandshadow> yep
<chaostitan> I brought cheesecake? Who's got the macaroons?
<Peter> it'll officially start in about 2 min...whatever that means.
<chaostitan> okay, the first part wasn't a question, jeez
<Peter> we're here; it's started
<chaostitan> <bells and whistles>
<Serenity7474> well, if you're not sure....
<Peter> Diana Hignut said she'd bring the macaroons
<chaostitan> ah yes, awesome
<Peter> 'course she didn't commit to coming . . . . .
<chaostitan> :~(
<Serenity7474> I'll bring the beer....
<chaostitan> woohoo
<Peter> but she did tell me that she would be honored to, sometime later, be guest speaker on some topic she's familiar with.
<Peter> I assume that might be along the lines of her thread
<chaostitan> I wonder if Sage will show. then we can start a Firefly riot
<Peter> LOL
<Serenity7474> YES!
* Sage has joined #absolutewrite
<Peter> speak of the devil...
<chaostitan> Speak of the devil
<Peter> hey Sage
<Serenity7474> :|
<Serenity7474> :|
<Peter> heh heh heh
<Sage> what? I'm a devil?
<Serenity7474> speak of the devil...
<chaostitan> we were just talking about you Sage
<Sage> what? why?
<chaostitan> I said if you showed up we could have a Firefly riot
<Sage> <hides>
<chaostitan> serenity is a Browncoat as well
<Sage> oh, okay. That's fun, then
<Serenity7474> No! Don't hide! Show your browncoated-ness
<Sage> Go Browncoats
<chaostitan> and she almost became a "Browncat"
<Sage> Lol
<Serenity7474> you and your typos
<Serenity7474> :þ
<chaostitan> I am doing great with typos tonight
<Peter> Sage, you were supposed to bring the Hawaiian Punch...but I see you came in empty handed.
<Sage> I knew that you were. I think I gave you a rep point for it
<Sage> No, it's in the car
<chaostitan> Yes you did, thank yee muchly
<Sage> I'll go get it
<Peter> ah great
<Serenity7474> <quick passes a beer to Sage> "Psst... use this. there's no color int he chat anyhow, he'll never know.... mwahahahahahahahah
<chaostitan> hopefully I bounced that rep point right back atcha
<Sage> I think you did
<chaostitan> Devious, ain't she?
<Sage> thanks, Serenity
<Serenity7474> <bows>
<Serenity7474> I aim to inhebriate....
<chaostitan> Better catch up, I'm halfway through mine
<Serenity7474> errr....
<Sage> <drinks>
<chaostitan> Chugs
<Sage> <sips>
<chaostitan> Who's got the funnel?
<Serenity7474> I can't spell either.... CHAOS!!! I blame her....
<chaostitan> <innocent smile>
<sunandshadow> I've got peppermint iced tea here.
<Sage> you should blame the beer
<Serenity7474> ok, I've got something similar...
<chaostitan> I'm easier to blame I think
<Serenity7474> except no peppermint, no iced and no tea. Just hops
* Peter wants a hydro pack of Czech pilsner . . .
<sunandshadow> lol
<Sage> how do you do the action, Peter?
<Peter> precede what you wish to 'action' with /me
<Peter> as in /me laughs
* Peter laughs
<Serenity7474> :|
<chaostitan> ooops
<Sage>
* Serenity7474 Laughs Out Loud
<Peter> there may be a button for actions on the java interface
<Sage> I have about five actions here
* Peter runs around the room pulling down the blinds and hangs out the CHAT SESSION IN PROGRESS sign.
<Sage> yeah. How'd you do that?
<Sage> I couldn't do that w/ my options
<Peter> precede what you wish to 'action' with /me
<Peter> as in /me laughs
* Peter laughs
<chaostitan> He possesses powers that we do no
<chaostitan> not
<chaostitan> dang it
<chaostitan> forget color words, it's too annoying to click every time
<Sage> ah ha!
[snip: lots of stuff about how to work the interface]
<sunandshadow> so... are we going to chat about anything in particular?
<Peter> so where are the other 16 folks who said they'd come, with or without their elfs?
<Sage> sci-fi? fantasy?
<Peter> your choice.
<chaostitan> Probably looking for their elfs. I saw in the news today that there was a rebellion....
<Serenity7474> all at once!
<sunandshadow> maybe everybody could say their interests and we could pick a common interest to chat about
<Peter> I thought this month we could just kinda get used to the whole chat routine and get to know one another a bit more.
<Peter> good idea, sun
<chaostitan> I am Chaos. Hear me roar.
<Sage> Later we could have prompts
<Serenity7474> I like sci-fi on tv and in movies
<chaostitan> <meows pitifully>
<sunandshadow> I like sf romance and sf video games
<Peter> so where is everyone from?
<Peter> central Oregon here.
<sunandshadow> pennsylvania
<chaostitan> Delaware
<Sage> originally, or right now?
<Serenity7474> Ooo... PA originally... where are you sunandshadow?
<sunandshadow> pittsburgh, used to be erie, then state college...
<Serenity7474> DUDE I grew up in Indiana , PA
<Serenity7474> GO STEELERS!!!!!
<sunandshadow> lol
<Peter> okay, let's see what we all write mostly... Type an F for fantasy or an S for science fiction.
<Peter> S
<Sage> what if you write both? in one novel?
<sunandshadow> Oh yeah, I got dragged to softball games for years, but I still don't have a clue about the rules
<Peter> guess you get to type FS then, Sage
<Serenity7474> uh... more S than F, I suppose. Though my main story right now is Thriller
<chaostitan> S
<Sage> FS
<sunandshadow> oops
* Sage giggles
<sunandshadow> what about historical fiction with aliens? Is that SF?
<Serenity7474> you've created a monster Peter
<chaostitan> Aliens? Yep
<Peter> what the heck is IN that punch of yours, Sage?
* Sage giggles more
<chaostitan> Was it the beer?
<sunandshadow> I write non fiction too. But what if they're aliens with magic?
<Sage> that'd be FS too
<chaostitan> nonfiction about aliens with magic?
<chaostitan> sorry, couldn't resist
<Serenity7474> what if they're aliens with magic and beer? <ok, I need to stop now
'cause you're probably being serious>
<chaostitan> STOP THAT
<sunandshadow> lol well if you count my computer game's design document...
<Serenity7474> for all those present, Chaos and I share a brain... just so ya know
<Peter> it shows
<Sage> yep
<chaostitan> she's got it tonight
<Serenity7474> I do...?
<chaostitan> Don't you?
<Sage> actually I stole it
* Serenity7474 blinks
<chaostitan> Ack!
<sunandshadow> Who likes literary theory?
<Sage> & then gave it beer
<Peter> huh?
<chaostitan> She gave the brain beer??? Oh dear Lord
<Serenity7474> I think I like Sage
<chaostitan> Me too
<Peter> you mean like the stuff they tried to drum into us in School, sun?
<sunandshadow> yeah sort of.
<Sage> yay, you like me. You really like me
<Peter> I think for the most part, it's bunk
<sunandshadow> how to write books, narratology, structuralism, all that good stuff
<chaostitan> sunandshadow, I apologize. I'm drinking because I'm upset about something, so I may act a little silly tonight
<chaostitan> as if you couldn't tell
<sunandshadow> I don't mind if people are silly
<sunandshadow> sorry that you're upset about something though
<chaostitan> Thanks,
* Sage hugs chaos
<chaostitan> Stupid things, really, but the beer and cheesecake helps
<Serenity7474> theory is just that... *theory*. I hated it in music, don't much care for it in lit. I write what feels 'right'. Structure has purpose, but not at the cost of the story. <and I hope that makes sense>
<chaostitan> well, it's imaginary cheesecake
<Serenity7474> I was going to say... you have cheesecake???
<Peter> I dunno, sun. I bought all the books, you know? How to do this, that and the rest. And it still comes down to this: "Is the story any good? Would you read this if someone else wrote it?"
<chaostitan> I took a class in Rhetorical Criticism in College
<sunandshadow> yeah makes sense. Personally I love theory though
<Sage> I didn't realize there was a structure we're supposed to adhere to
<sunandshadow> there isn't
<sunandshadow> nobody can agree what it is
<chaostitan> LOL
<Sage> I was just telling my friend who is taking an english class about how the format we learned in high school didn't have as much use in college papers
<Peter> that's because there are as many theories about what makes a story good as there are writers...and possibly as many as there are readers.
<sunandshadow> other than the aristotelian unities maybe, and that's so basic it barely counts
<Sage> (format for essays in that case)
* Serenity7474 tries to remember the last structured paper she had to right
<Serenity7474> oh god
<Peter> heh
<chaostitan> heh
<Serenity7474> *WRITE*
<Peter> Where's reph when we need her?
<sunandshadow> unities
* Serenity7474 bangs head off desk
<sunandshadow> principle that storys shouldn't have anything extra which soesn't fit
<Sage> yeah, I don't know what the aristotelian unities are either
<Sage> oh, okay, I did know that
<Sage> just not what it was called
<sunandshadow> yeah, it's a basic idea, just the term is abstruse lol
<chaostitan> But how do you know what's extra and doesn't fit? Or is that a rhetorical question?
<Sage> does it drive the story?
<chaostitan> Abtruse?
<Sage> does it help the reader get a good idea of the world & characters?
<sunandshadow> Well, supposedly stories are constructed according to two principles
<sunandshadow> causality and teleology
* chaostitan snickers
<Peter> ok, but don't you agree that in genre fiction, whatever it is, there are things required that may not be required in other fiction? Such as (hopefully well-disguised) info dumps?
<Sage> explain...
<chaostitan> but you can cleverly disguise an info dump if you try
<Peter> exactly
<sunandshadow> causality is simply, if a character drinks poison we expect them to keel over
* Serenity7474 goes to a corner and watches the discussion go by
<Sage> but those info dumps will help the reader understand the story
<Peter> but you might not need one in a contemporary mystery
<Peter> whereas you probably would in a space opera that uses some sort of new technology
<sunandshadow> teleology is the idea that a story exists to get to a climax which is the conclusion of a thematic argument, so therefore the story must contain
<Sage> right. in the mystery, the reader knows the world. It doesn't usually have to be explained to them
* chaostitan tends to skim info dumps anyhow
<sunandshadow> all the necessary events to get to the climax and elements to present and argue the theme
<chaostitan> hmmm, so my novel follows a teleology by those definitions...interesting
* chaostitan is bemused
<Peter> the late great Octavia Butler had a great way with exposition...
<Sage> okay, those all make sense to me
<sunandshadow> yay sense is good
[End Part 1]
[Preliminaries, introductions]
* chaostitan has joined #absolutewrite
<Peter> hey chaostitan!
<Peter> didn't see you come in
<chaostitan> Heya! I just stepped in
<Peter> y'all need to make noise or sumpin'
<chaostitan> sorry, I've got another chat going in Yahoo Messenger, too
<Peter> 'cuz chances are good I'm looking at the other monitor lol
<chaostitan> I'll stomp my feet next time
<Peter> there y'go
<chaostitan> heh
<chaostitan> ooooh, color change
<Peter> this'll be a great chat if it's just you and me here
<chaostitan> I have Serenity on her way
<Peter> who?
* Serenity has joined #absolutewrite
<Peter> hey Serenity
* Serenity is now known as Serenity7474
<Serenity7474> :S
<Serenity7474> I've been changed!!!!!!!!
<chaostitan> she's .....now known as Serenity7474
<chaostitan> LOL
<chaostitan> weird
* Peter thinks Serenity7474 is apt to repeat herself.
<Serenity7474> but why not//funny
<Peter> hang on, serenity...lemme check sumpin
* chaostitan offers .LIFESAVERS.
<chaostitan> cool
* Serenity7474 waves! o/~ Hello everybody!
<chaostitan> I think I'm getting the hang of this
<Serenity7474> Sorry, I've never been to a chat like this... I'm playin LOL
<Peter> ah, the nickname "Serenity" is already registered here.
<Peter> so the powers upstairs changed yours.
* sunandshadow has joined #absolutewrite
<chaostitan> ooh someone knew
<chaostitan> ack
<chaostitan> and I say I'm a writer
<Serenity7474> That I got... it's no problem
<sunandshadow> hi
<Peter> you can change it to something else, if you like, by typing /nick a space, and your new nickname
<Peter> hey sunandshadow
<sunandshadow> hey
<chaostitan> welcome to the insanity
<Peter> heh
<Peter> so you are all using the Javachat link from the forums?
<sunandshadow> sff chat starting now/soon?
<Serenity7474> Hey, *we're* the sane ones... it's the rest of the world that's fracked up
<sunandshadow> yep
<chaostitan> I brought cheesecake? Who's got the macaroons?
<Peter> it'll officially start in about 2 min...whatever that means.
<chaostitan> okay, the first part wasn't a question, jeez
<Peter> we're here; it's started
<chaostitan> <bells and whistles>
<Serenity7474> well, if you're not sure....
<Peter> Diana Hignut said she'd bring the macaroons
<chaostitan> ah yes, awesome
<Peter> 'course she didn't commit to coming . . . . .
<chaostitan> :~(
<Serenity7474> I'll bring the beer....
<chaostitan> woohoo
<Peter> but she did tell me that she would be honored to, sometime later, be guest speaker on some topic she's familiar with.
<Peter> I assume that might be along the lines of her thread
<chaostitan> I wonder if Sage will show. then we can start a Firefly riot
<Peter> LOL
<Serenity7474> YES!
* Sage has joined #absolutewrite
<Peter> speak of the devil...
<chaostitan> Speak of the devil
<Peter> hey Sage
<Serenity7474> :|
<Serenity7474> :|
<Peter> heh heh heh
<Sage> what? I'm a devil?
<Serenity7474> speak of the devil...
<chaostitan> we were just talking about you Sage
<Sage> what? why?
<chaostitan> I said if you showed up we could have a Firefly riot
<Sage> <hides>
<chaostitan> serenity is a Browncoat as well
<Sage> oh, okay. That's fun, then
<Serenity7474> No! Don't hide! Show your browncoated-ness
<Sage> Go Browncoats
<chaostitan> and she almost became a "Browncat"
<Sage> Lol
<Serenity7474> you and your typos
<Serenity7474> :þ
<chaostitan> I am doing great with typos tonight
<Peter> Sage, you were supposed to bring the Hawaiian Punch...but I see you came in empty handed.
<Sage> I knew that you were. I think I gave you a rep point for it
<Sage> No, it's in the car
<chaostitan> Yes you did, thank yee muchly
<Sage> I'll go get it
<Peter> ah great
<Serenity7474> <quick passes a beer to Sage> "Psst... use this. there's no color int he chat anyhow, he'll never know.... mwahahahahahahahah
<chaostitan> hopefully I bounced that rep point right back atcha
<Sage> I think you did
<chaostitan> Devious, ain't she?
<Sage> thanks, Serenity
<Serenity7474> <bows>
<Serenity7474> I aim to inhebriate....
<chaostitan> Better catch up, I'm halfway through mine
<Serenity7474> errr....
<Sage> <drinks>
<chaostitan> Chugs
<Sage> <sips>
<chaostitan> Who's got the funnel?
<Serenity7474> I can't spell either.... CHAOS!!! I blame her....
<chaostitan> <innocent smile>
<sunandshadow> I've got peppermint iced tea here.
<Sage> you should blame the beer
<Serenity7474> ok, I've got something similar...
<chaostitan> I'm easier to blame I think
<Serenity7474> except no peppermint, no iced and no tea. Just hops
* Peter wants a hydro pack of Czech pilsner . . .
<sunandshadow> lol
<Sage> how do you do the action, Peter?
<Peter> precede what you wish to 'action' with /me
<Peter> as in /me laughs
* Peter laughs
<Serenity7474> :|
<chaostitan> ooops
<Sage>
* Serenity7474 Laughs Out Loud
<Peter> there may be a button for actions on the java interface
<Sage> I have about five actions here
* Peter runs around the room pulling down the blinds and hangs out the CHAT SESSION IN PROGRESS sign.
<Sage> yeah. How'd you do that?
<Sage> I couldn't do that w/ my options
<Peter> precede what you wish to 'action' with /me
<Peter> as in /me laughs
* Peter laughs
<chaostitan> He possesses powers that we do no
<chaostitan> not
<chaostitan> dang it
<chaostitan> forget color words, it's too annoying to click every time
<Sage> ah ha!
[snip: lots of stuff about how to work the interface]
<sunandshadow> so... are we going to chat about anything in particular?
<Peter> so where are the other 16 folks who said they'd come, with or without their elfs?
<Sage> sci-fi? fantasy?
<Peter> your choice.
<chaostitan> Probably looking for their elfs. I saw in the news today that there was a rebellion....
<Serenity7474> all at once!
<sunandshadow> maybe everybody could say their interests and we could pick a common interest to chat about
<Peter> I thought this month we could just kinda get used to the whole chat routine and get to know one another a bit more.
<Peter> good idea, sun
<chaostitan> I am Chaos. Hear me roar.
<Sage> Later we could have prompts
<Serenity7474> I like sci-fi on tv and in movies
<chaostitan> <meows pitifully>
<sunandshadow> I like sf romance and sf video games
<Peter> so where is everyone from?
<Peter> central Oregon here.
<sunandshadow> pennsylvania
<chaostitan> Delaware
<Sage> originally, or right now?
<Serenity7474> Ooo... PA originally... where are you sunandshadow?
<sunandshadow> pittsburgh, used to be erie, then state college...
<Serenity7474> DUDE I grew up in Indiana , PA
<Serenity7474> GO STEELERS!!!!!
<sunandshadow> lol
<Peter> okay, let's see what we all write mostly... Type an F for fantasy or an S for science fiction.
<Peter> S
<Sage> what if you write both? in one novel?
<sunandshadow> Oh yeah, I got dragged to softball games for years, but I still don't have a clue about the rules
<Peter> guess you get to type FS then, Sage
<Serenity7474> uh... more S than F, I suppose. Though my main story right now is Thriller
<chaostitan> S
<Sage> FS
<sunandshadow> oops
* Sage giggles
<sunandshadow> what about historical fiction with aliens? Is that SF?
<Serenity7474> you've created a monster Peter
<chaostitan> Aliens? Yep
<Peter> what the heck is IN that punch of yours, Sage?
* Sage giggles more
<chaostitan> Was it the beer?
<sunandshadow> I write non fiction too. But what if they're aliens with magic?
<Sage> that'd be FS too
<chaostitan> nonfiction about aliens with magic?
<chaostitan> sorry, couldn't resist
<Serenity7474> what if they're aliens with magic and beer? <ok, I need to stop now
<chaostitan> STOP THAT
<sunandshadow> lol well if you count my computer game's design document...
<Serenity7474> for all those present, Chaos and I share a brain... just so ya know
<Peter> it shows
<Sage> yep
<chaostitan> she's got it tonight
<Serenity7474> I do...?
<chaostitan> Don't you?
<Sage> actually I stole it
* Serenity7474 blinks
<chaostitan> Ack!
<sunandshadow> Who likes literary theory?
<Sage> & then gave it beer
<Peter> huh?
<chaostitan> She gave the brain beer??? Oh dear Lord
<Serenity7474> I think I like Sage
<chaostitan> Me too
<Peter> you mean like the stuff they tried to drum into us in School, sun?
<sunandshadow> yeah sort of.
<Sage> yay, you like me. You really like me
<Peter> I think for the most part, it's bunk
<sunandshadow> how to write books, narratology, structuralism, all that good stuff
<chaostitan> sunandshadow, I apologize. I'm drinking because I'm upset about something, so I may act a little silly tonight
<chaostitan> as if you couldn't tell
<sunandshadow> I don't mind if people are silly
<sunandshadow> sorry that you're upset about something though
<chaostitan> Thanks,
* Sage hugs chaos
<chaostitan> Stupid things, really, but the beer and cheesecake helps
<Serenity7474> theory is just that... *theory*. I hated it in music, don't much care for it in lit. I write what feels 'right'. Structure has purpose, but not at the cost of the story. <and I hope that makes sense>
<chaostitan> well, it's imaginary cheesecake
<Serenity7474> I was going to say... you have cheesecake???
<Peter> I dunno, sun. I bought all the books, you know? How to do this, that and the rest. And it still comes down to this: "Is the story any good? Would you read this if someone else wrote it?"
<chaostitan> I took a class in Rhetorical Criticism in College
<sunandshadow> yeah makes sense. Personally I love theory though
<Sage> I didn't realize there was a structure we're supposed to adhere to
<sunandshadow> there isn't
<sunandshadow> nobody can agree what it is
<chaostitan> LOL
<Sage> I was just telling my friend who is taking an english class about how the format we learned in high school didn't have as much use in college papers
<Peter> that's because there are as many theories about what makes a story good as there are writers...and possibly as many as there are readers.
<sunandshadow> other than the aristotelian unities maybe, and that's so basic it barely counts
<Sage> (format for essays in that case)
* Serenity7474 tries to remember the last structured paper she had to right
<Serenity7474> oh god
<Peter> heh
<chaostitan> heh
<Serenity7474> *WRITE*
<Peter> Where's reph when we need her?
<sunandshadow> unities
* Serenity7474 bangs head off desk
<sunandshadow> principle that storys shouldn't have anything extra which soesn't fit
<Sage> yeah, I don't know what the aristotelian unities are either
<Sage> oh, okay, I did know that
<Sage> just not what it was called
<sunandshadow> yeah, it's a basic idea, just the term is abstruse lol
<chaostitan> But how do you know what's extra and doesn't fit? Or is that a rhetorical question?
<Sage> does it drive the story?
<chaostitan> Abtruse?
<Sage> does it help the reader get a good idea of the world & characters?
<sunandshadow> Well, supposedly stories are constructed according to two principles
<sunandshadow> causality and teleology
* chaostitan snickers
<Peter> ok, but don't you agree that in genre fiction, whatever it is, there are things required that may not be required in other fiction? Such as (hopefully well-disguised) info dumps?
<Sage> explain...
<chaostitan> but you can cleverly disguise an info dump if you try
<Peter> exactly
<sunandshadow> causality is simply, if a character drinks poison we expect them to keel over
* Serenity7474 goes to a corner and watches the discussion go by
<Sage> but those info dumps will help the reader understand the story
<Peter> but you might not need one in a contemporary mystery
<Peter> whereas you probably would in a space opera that uses some sort of new technology
<sunandshadow> teleology is the idea that a story exists to get to a climax which is the conclusion of a thematic argument, so therefore the story must contain
<Sage> right. in the mystery, the reader knows the world. It doesn't usually have to be explained to them
* chaostitan tends to skim info dumps anyhow
<sunandshadow> all the necessary events to get to the climax and elements to present and argue the theme
<chaostitan> hmmm, so my novel follows a teleology by those definitions...interesting
* chaostitan is bemused
<Peter> the late great Octavia Butler had a great way with exposition...
<Sage> okay, those all make sense to me
<sunandshadow> yay sense is good
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