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How much of a story can you change before it becomes a brand new story?

Several years ago I wrote a short story and had it published. Just recently I took it out and began refurbishing it. The general idea is the same (setting/characters) but many of the details as well as the whole outcome has changed. Before, where it was 'memoir-ish' it is now more 'magical realism-ish' (still first person). The same but different (...sorry for the Karate Kid quote, no, wait that was 'different but the same').

Anyways, I read once that some people will write stories/articles and then change them just enough so that they can submit them as a different story/article. Is there any rule of thumb for on this?
 

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I don't believe there are any strict rules regarding this, but you're free to do whatever the heck want provided you're not in breach of any contract (and you wouldn't be, assuming you only sold 1st publication rights)
 

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This is an mpossible question to answer, largely because the answer lies in the eyes of the editors involved. If you sold all rights to a story, the editor who owns those rights can be very picky in letting you claim a rewrite is a new stroy.

If you still own reprint rights, the new editor will have her own opinion on whether or not the story is new.

Many years ago, I sold a short story to Sports Afield. A few years later it occured to me Cricket might also like the story. I submitted it, and the editor liked it, but said it was too long for Cricket, so I cut abour 1,000 words, and eliminated one character.

When the editor read it, she said, "I think we can consider this a brand new story, rather than a reprint."

At other times, editors have reacted the opposite way.

The important thing is to be honest aboutteh story's history when submitting it to a new magazines. The editor has the right to know whether or not some version of the story has been previously published, and to make her own decision about whether what she's seeing can be considered a new story or a reprint.
 

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With all of the weight my second post can deliver, which is miniscule at best, I'd advise against it. The way you describe it seems a little like copying yourself. The temptation may be strong, especially if new ideas for stories are hard to come by. But sometimes it's best to put finished pieces behind us for good, particularly if they've been published. There's no sense in stirring up old bones that are better left interred.

Of course, if you retain the rights, selling the same work to other pubs is very much in your favor, and should be pursued.

I have no way of knowing, but I'd bet you could write a much better piece than what you delivered several years ago. Then you could use the other story as inspiration for a new one that will take you in directions the older piece could never show. This may not be possible with a simple rewrite.

No matter what you decide, I wish you the best of luck.
 

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I defer to Mr. Ritchie completely, and wished I had seen his post before my reply. He includes excellent points worth considering.
 
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Yes, I had a feeling there were no hard and fast rules. Also that it would be up to the individual editor in the end. I think I will do just that, rewrite/revise/revamp to my heart's content and then be honest with wherever I send it (offer the original if they want to see it). Yes, I still have reprint rights.

I believe the reason I grabbed this one and tackled it is exactly because I think can do such a better job on it now. I love the seed of the idea. How I went about it (three years ago) was sloppy.

What does and editor think when he/she reads a cover letter that says, this was first published in so'n'so journal at such'n'such time? Would they be more willing to read it or less? I know some magazines specifically state no previously published material. Maybe that too depends on the magazine and its tastes?
 

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Try...

submitting your new version to a carefully chosen market, preferably one where you know the editor!

Include a polite letter explaining that x years ago this story was published by *** magazine but you were never satisfied with it and have rewritten it completely. You also mention that you are offering reprint rights.

My editor, like JR's, accepted it as a new story and paid me for 1st Rights.
 
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Mike Coombes said:
Why sweat it?

Words are not a finite resource. Write something new.



I genrally agree with this. I think the only time to tamper with a previously published story is when an editor with a checkbook pays you to do so. I submitted that old story of mine to Cricket as a reprint, and it was only after the editor said she wanted to buy it that I reworked it to fit what she wanted.
 

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The whole reason this got kicked up was because I found a publisher that specializes in only short story anthologies. I looked at their homepage and had that giddy I-would-be-perfect-for-them (they-would-be-perfect-for-me) feeling. They stated they favored authors with as many pre-published stories as possible (or something similar to that).

So I got out the oldies, dusted them off and discovered that I was more than a little embarrassed (I can't send these!). My initial editing grew more excited, stories changed, days passed...then came the question here. So yea, that is where that is coming from. My little notebook of new ideas still brims. Has anyone discovered how to squeeze twelve more hours into a day? I think I am in some sort of salvage mood. Thanks again!
 

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Don't worry.

The blokes are only nit picking.

Of course they'll have written a story somewhere back in the mists of time that was a great idea, but their writing skills weren't up to writing it the way the idea deserved.

Bet you they rewrote it a little for another market.

We're writers, yes? We like to write things perfectly and our writing skills improve with experience. I'm just sending out stories to their last markets which are on-line. I've altered all of them, the alterations ranging from a couple of words to several paragraphs.

MC and JR always glump. Take 'em with a pinch of salt when they get after you!
 

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The blokes are only nit picking.

Of course they'll have written a story somewhere back in the mists of time that was a great idea, but their writing skills weren't up to writing it the way the idea deserved.

Bet you they rewrote it a little for another market.

We're writers, yes? We like to write things perfectly and our writing skills improve with experience. I'm just sending out stories to their last markets which are on-line. I've altered all of them, the alterations ranging from a couple of words to several paragraphs.

MC and JR always glump. Take 'em with a pinch of salt when they get after you!


If that story written back in the mists of time was a story good enough to be published, you can bet we didn't rewrite it and look for another market. There's no need to do so, and the time spent is counterproductive.

Now, I, too, may rework a sentence here are there when an old story finds a new home, but this has nothing at all to do with what the poster originally asked. Madderblue wanted to know about rewroing a story so much it counts as a different story or article. I've nver done that unless I've been paid specifically to do it, and never will. It's immensely wasteful.

And we weren't glumping. We were simply telling the truth. Trying to turn previously published short stories into different stories altogether is just not very smart. It's the hard way of going about things.

Then again, even back in the mists of time, my writing skills were always up to writing a story good enough to make the idea proud. The very first short story I ever wrote sold for very good money, it's still selling, and will become a novel in the next couple of years.
 

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'There there!

I didn't really mean it...'

Now, don't glump, JR, I'm sure you are a genius but you are also of the genus USWASP and I'm a Kiwi who does occasionally stir!
 

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I am in awe of anyone who can still make money off the first thing they ever wrote! ;) The first thing I ever did was a story about dolls that came to life, and this was PRE Chucky. Wait a minute....
 
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