Terms you want to use, but may not work for the genre

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So my character is at the top of a high cliff in one scene & has moved beyond it (is now at the bottom, in other words) by the next. It is standard enough that people of this world have to go up & down this cliff, that simply climbing it wouldn't make sense. I thought, what if I had a rope & pulley elevator that can be used to avoid climbing.

So, a) In a sword & sorcery type of fantasy, would the term "elevator" throw my readers for a loop? I don't want to write the scene w/ her going down the cliff 'cuz it's not that important, but considering the last person we saw there fell off the cliff & it was a big deal, I should mention that there's a way to get down.

b) Anybody else have this problem w/ today's terms you worry won't work for describing something in your novel, because they refence technology that's either too advanced (some fantasy) or too primitive (most sci-fi)?
 

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The word would put me off, but I am not sure of the technology in general? Could it not be steep in one area but also have a more gradual descent a little further along?
 

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Apparently in the middle ages rope elevators were called 'hoists'. So if your world is roughly at that tech level that might be a good word?
 

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LOL. It's not actually elevating her (or lifting). It's funny that these terms mean going up, but are used for going down too. I considered "lift" but wasn't sure the term meant what I thought it did (& the way the sentence was structured "lift down," which made me worry even more). But I do think "lift" works better than "elevator."

"Hoist" works too, as that's basically what I imagine w/ ropes & pulleys.
 
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That's a good question right now.
Bucket's another good term, depending on what they stand in/on to go up and down.

Just an FYI, 'lift' is the British-English term for 'elevator'.
 

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Birol said:
Just an FYI, 'lift' is the British-English term for 'elevator'.
That's what I thought.
 

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Describe it.

What are they standing in/on? A simple pulley, or is it more advanced with a block and tackle? Operated by counterweights, or is there an attendant there working the ropes by hand or with animals? Lastly, given the description, what would they call it?

I think that if someone fell off this cliff, then there needs to be a bit of an explanation as to the ease (or difficulty) of the means to ascend/descend safely. If that falling was important, then by default the alternative is as well.

After a brief description of the contraption, you can simply call it "the cage" or anything else that sums up it's description.
 

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Ok time to pull out my dork hat.

My copy of English Through the Ages and I are joined at the hip. It's like a huge, dictionary-sized index of (nearly) every word in the English language along with it's "in use by" date--the date of its first confirmed usage. Here's the link to Amazon if you want to read more about the book itself:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0898796555/sr=8-1/qid=1145496460/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-8709060-4779238?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I luuuurv this book. It's especially useful for answering questions like this one.

elevator - (as in a grain elevator, so not the same thing) was in use by 1800
lift - (as in elevator) was in use by 1870
elevator - (as we know it) in use by 1900
bucket - in use by 1250

Tragically, "hoist" is not in here but I'll put my vote with that one as well
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Since I write fantasy (admittedly late medieval era/early renaissance fantasy), I try to limit myself to only using words in use by 1600--IMHO it seems to fit with the general feel. That doesn't mean I look up every word, but whenever I use something and am not sure how it sounds within the context, I check this book.

What the book won't do is point you toward a better replacement word, so you'll still have to ask other people for help there.

Dork hat back off now.
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And no...the pointy thing on my head is a helmet. HELM-ET. Ok, yeah it could be my dork hat.
 

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It's not really a medieval time period. They just don't use electricity, & it resembles a "classic" fantasy setting. I don't want to strike images of high rise elevators w/ that word, even though I know that the concept works, & that particular character would know what an elevator is (as she's from Earth's future). "Hoist" is good, & what I've changed it to.

There is no reason to describe it in detail. No scene takes place on it. Let me stress how much I don't need to add words by adding an unnecessary scene or out-of-place description. I just need to say that one MC used the hoist/lift/elevator because she doesn't understand how someone, who had been behind her just before she reached the cliff & hadn't been on the hoist/lift/elevator (seemingly the only way down) with, before, or right after her, arrived at the bottom before her (teleportation is the answer. She can't do that). She has no knowledge of the other character falling off the cliff, so she's not going to make a big deal about it, she just needs to reference her descent.

Thanks, everyone.
 

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There are various monasteries in (I think) Greece and Ethiopia that use such hoists as the main/only access route and have done so for many centuries, so this technology is entirely appropriate for a fantasy setting. You might have a donkey or oxen to do the hard work.
 

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There's something like this used in George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series at the Eyrie. I think it was referred to as a carriage, a basket, and a hoist; not positive on that, though.
 
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