The Hobbits of Flores in a Novel?

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FLORES MAN

It sounds too incredible to be true, but this is not a hoax. A species of tiny human has been discovered, which lived on the remote Indonesian island of Flores just 18,000 years ago.

Researchers have so far unearthed remains from eight individuals who were just one metre tall, with grapefruit-sized skulls. These astonishing little people, nicknamed 'hobbits', made tools, hunted tiny elephants and lived at the same time as modern humans who were colonizing the area.

For the Mods: I don't know where to put this but you can move it. I have a few relevant questions as to the above announcement as it pertains to genre and pubication.

AWers--You're all familiar with what Jean Auel did with CLAN OF THE CAVE BEAR. I can certainly see this story in novel form, and no one has touched it yet. It's a recent discovery. These tiny humans lived on the volcanic island of Flores in Indonesia. They were contemorary with 4ft-tall elephants (that they hunted), 10--15 ft long Komoda dragons (which must have been nothing short of dinosaurian in dimension), giant rats and all manner of indigenous calamities. They made sophisticated tools and weapons and apparently were active hunters and organizers. It has also been surmized that they had speech to some degree, even though their brain cases held nothing larger than a chimp brain.

Would this make a good story idea? (Novel)

I ask this because it has all the elements--survival, conflict, lore, competition, sociology etc. Apparently normal sized humans interacted with these teeny people, and they all disapeared around the time that the local volcano blew its top some 13,000 years ago. It has potential, but the research so far is sparse and certainly controversial. The logistics of putting something together like this is nightmarish, no doubt. But I think it's fresh, new and certainly timely. I mean, here we have tiny dragon slayers but it's no fantasy! Of course, culturally, you'd have to fill in all the blanks. It certainly makes Easter Island look like a kiddy carnival by comparison. (I invite anybody to google this story with the keywords: Hobbits of Flores)

Now, suppose this got written. What the heck genre is this? What's CLAN OF THE CAVE BEAR? Is it action/adventure? Historical fiction? Prehistoric fiction? Could this hit mainstream racks?

And I guardedly confess, if any novel screamed for a platform, it most likely would be this one. I'm an amateur paleontologist and science writer, but do you think an editor would drag me across the carpet if I didn't have a degree in archeology, anthropology or similar core science? Auel did nothing more than research the Stone Age. Am I headed for trouble with this, or would there be any roadblocks?

I'm not saying it's got best seller written all over it, but you have to admit that the discovery itself is mind-bending and the possibilities...well...the sky's the limit, wot? All you have to do is imagine your naked little three-foot-tall self on an island full of real dragons and giant rats, and I think you get the idea.

Anybody REALLY interested in writing something like this, email or pm me.

Appreciate any opinions,

Triceratops
 

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It sounds like a good story idea to me, but you know my slant. Anything prehistoric gets my attention. I think if it really interests you, you should go for it. But be sure to research first, and extensively.

I remember telling you about my North Slope dinosaur novella a few months ago. Well, after I wrote it the paleontologist whose research initially inspired the story came to give a guest lecture at my school and I consulted him about the topic of the story. It turned out I'd misinterpreted some of his findings and I had to re-write parts of the story to fit with more recent studies. The subjects of paleontological research may be dead and stagnant, but the field certainly isn't.
 

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Matt, paleontology changes faster than Pampers on a hershey-squirtin' baby. I've been following the Dinosaur mailing list, and I can hardly keep up with all the emails and new discoveries. T-Rex ain't the baddest big boy on the block, now. Spinosaurus is, then comes Gigantosaurus.

I knew I was on to something with this story. It's not the posts on this thread, but the private emails from two people who've already told me that they're hot on this exact concept for their novels at this moment. This discovery is 1 1/2 years old or so, so I was a little slow on the uptake. I still believe in it, and certainly wish success for anybody who knocks this thing out and "wows" us. It's ripe for the pickin!

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i think the movie version should star pamela sue anderson lee mcguillicutty smith rock.

the only real problem is see is the inevitable comparisons with 'clan... bear.'

sure, i guess if you had fifteen phd's an editor might give your story more of a look see. then again, if i see 'dr.' in front of someone's name, that means nothing to me. being a doctor doesn't mean you know how to write. i think the important thing here is to do your research and have the help of someone in the field, then you can list them in the credits so readers can say, 'oh, okay, well, at least there's someone with a deep understanding of the subject matter making sure everything is aboveboard.' that would be my understanding, at any rate. something like this you might want to stay fairly active in some kind of message board and newsletter thing. i say you're okay if you stay current with the most recent discoveries up til you submit to an editor. if there are some conflicting theories, choose the one that makes the most sense to you. but, you know, a year after you finish writing the thing, someone will discover something that changes the whole landscape of the thing, then something else after that, so i think you can only run with the information you've got til then and hope any new discovery doesn't completely ruin your story. it probably won't, but you never know. like, it'd be my luck that i write a story about cold fusion then a week later a major breakthrough happens, lol.

i remember seeing this article on aol many months ago. i even read it. i don't see why it couldn't be turned into a novel. if it interests you, it's sure to interest someone else. good luck, tri. :)
 

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I've been fascinated with the story, too, Tri. If you do it, count me in for one copy. I haven't read Auel's work, but I did read Popescu's Almost Adam, and I loved it.

If you call them hobbits, however, I have to kill you. :e2teeth: I'm sure you understand.
 

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Shadow_Ferret said:
Here's where I show my shocking ignorance of things. Wasn't Clan of the Cave Bear an awful and very preachy cartoon about a Native American who became a bear as punishment for killing a mother bear or something?

I think you're thinking of Disney's Brother Bear.
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Clan of the Cave Bear is a prehistoric novel by Jean Auel.
 

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Sounds like an interesting idea, tri.

Whatever you write, please don't feel compelled to use every last scrap of research in the story. One of the (many) things that annoyed me about Clan of the Cave Bear was Auel's need to show the reader how much she had researched. There was one bit where the lovely blond prehistoric woman was walking along a path(?), and there is simply a laundry list of all the plants she sees along the way. Boring!
 

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Thanks, folks. Yeah, the "Hobbit" reference is totally over the top. If it hadn't been Hobbit, it would have been munchkin, or some other less than imaginative moniker, for gawd's sakes.

Thanks, preyer, interesting point, and one that Matt pointed out. I think there's an article (or was) in Nature magazine on this, and I even saw a program on it, but the pickins are slim, to be sure. I'd love to have at the most the papers on it, or the very least, the abstract to pick this thing apart.

Yes, at times Clan really became a platform for Jean's glorious research, and could really slap you upside the head with the "facts" and terminology. That's what you get when you have a dozen research books at your elbow whilst your writing your story. The temptation for extracting passages right out of the science books is too tempting to pass up. The trick is to sew that information into the story without the seams showing.

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I'd love for you, someone, to write the a story about the "hobbits" - and yeah, I hate the nickname.

Couple of things with the research/finding-articles-just-for-curiosity: With Australian researchers involved in the story, our government funded tv station has followed the story, so a google search that says "flores hobbits abc" brings up stuff that maybe people wouldn't otherwise find.

Second, I was reading What We Believe But Cannot Prove. Today's Leading Thinkers on Science in the Age of Certainty by John Brockman, and in it John McWhorter mentions language and Flores Is. (This may be old news to people, but just in case ...) Apparently there are three languages - Keo, Nagada and Kongga - and they're much simpler than one would expect. McWhorter suggests that the little people of Flores spoke a simplified version(s) of more complex languages and because they were the subjected people who did the "household" tasks including childcare, passed on their simplified language to the kids of the dominant culture(s). Think Afrikaans from Dutch in South Africa. (I'm hopelessly trying to summarise McWhorter's just hypothesising).

Tri, I vaguely remember you mentioning the Flores Is people a while ago. If it's nagging at you this much, then it's a book you just have to write. Don't worry about qualifications, research, whatever - go for it! (says me who wouldn't attempt such an ambitious project)

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Thanks, Jenna. How perceptive of you! Yeah, you know what? The most difficult part of this project would seem to be the linguistic part of it, and developing a whole new language for these little people. I'm a dialog hog, so I would really have to put the brakes on and study this. Also, I think I should read other books about the Pleistocene to see how they were done also. As a SF writer I can take you to Tau Ceti and Titan, rather easily, but...this...oh, my!

Yes, and it is tearing at me, begging me on hands and knees to be written. But apparently, I've got some great competition out there right now.

Tri
 
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