What would you write if you thought no one but you would read it?

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A friend asked me this. He said I seemed to be a by the rules writer, that my work has excellent grammar and punctuation but seems more like a submission for a class than having a distinctive voice. I have to confess that even my journal has those qualities, that I spend much energy trying to be clear, to sort out my feelings about issues, and I do write in complete sentences and pay attention to punctuation. Whether it is habit, training or personality, I can't say, but I think it is a combination. I am a lousy typist: when I type I have to deal with errors, so my journal is usually hand written and more or less error free, at least in that respect. So what I assume he finds stilted or overly academic in my writing is, in fact, my authentic voice, at least my authentic written voice. Another thing is, as a painter, I am supremely conscious of the visual, which leads to a heavy interest in description, which I have to curtail in my prose for possible publication. So I cannot yield to my tendency to describe what I see and expect that would improve my work. I would like to improve my writing (I have said this before), but I am not sure whether my friend's obversation about my work is anything I can use.
 

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I still write the things I want to write and if I don't want anyone to read them I'll make sure no one will.
 

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I've already written it. My entire young writing experience was kind of masturbatory. It's all gushy, morbid stuff, with dark heros and compassionate heroines. I've always had a savior complex.

The moral to that is: sometimes it's good to consider your audience.
 
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Perhaps what your friend really means is that your writing is not his style, an dis suggesting that you write in another voice, rather than your own. As far as the visual goes, I don't think you should have to curb the impulse to write about that. I also am deeply moved by the visual. I'm sorry but that's me. If I write about what does not move me, it will not come across very well.
 

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Maybe he feels that you hold back. Do you get to the edge of something that is a bit risque and then pull back? Maybe he's just telling you that you're not going that next level into your scenes. Picture it this way: You have two characters getting hot and heavy in front of the TV. There's an open pizza box on the coffee table, half finished beers sweating stains into the table. They are making their way to the bedroom, half undressed, ready to rip into one another. When you get to the bedroom, do you close the door?

I'm not just talking sex scene here...I'm using it as an example. Your readers can tell when you hold back...don't take the scene all the way to its completion. As for his comments about grammar...you have to have the best grammar you can have. It's necessary. I'm not sure what he is referring to there. Maybe he's saying that the creativity is stilted by a need for perfection? Doesn't make sense, because you need perfection in your grammar. I would suggest dropping a level into your scene...maybe he's sensing a lack of sensuality? I don't know?
 

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I write what I would like to read. Actually, the book that I'm writing is what I consider MY type of book. Of course I would be disappointed if nobody read it, but that is now impossible because my grandmother and mother liked what they read and are asking for more so...at least I've made 2 people happy with my work.
 

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yes, this:
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If no one was going to read it I wouldn't bother writing anything down, I'd just explore the ideas inside my head.
 

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What would I write if I thought no one else would read it?

A draft.

Seriously, even when I kept a diary as a preteen, I'd edit as I went along. Not to say I turn out perfect prose by any means, but rather it could be some sort of tic only writers have.

Other than the mandatory college assignments, I've always written what I want-- even if that writing was with an eye on publication. That's part of the fun...

The job that pays my bills is not literary in the least, and if I can't enjoy what I do in my spare time, then, what's the point?
 
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Ditto. I write what I want to read... which actually tends to be quite like porn (except I have too much plot so it falls under Erotica).

I am very senual and write very vivid, sensory scenes (and not just the sex ones). There's no reason why you can't paint a picture with words. Do what you feel you're good at, don't hold yourself back because that will make you sound "stilted."
 

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If no one would read it, then, well... nothing except, perhaps, a journal. But if your question is more along the lines of "what would you write if you didn't have to worry about anyone judging you as a person based on your work as an author?" then, of course I'd feel completely free to experiment with any type of taboo or, satire or complex social issue. But... that is not real life, and given the love that readers have of playing amatuer psychologist and trying to guess into the heads (while generally making false assumptions) of fiction authors about their character based on an element of one of his works, I'd be lying if I say I don't take that into consideration a little. As an author you can't worry about pissing people off, that's a given, but at the same time, I believe if people felt truly free to explore any and all types of subject matter in their fiction, we'd see a bit-or maybe a lot- more experimentation in all genres.
 

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I write to commmunicate, so yeah, I'd like people to read my work. Words are invented for communication. If I just want to express myself and my feelings and thoughts, I have plenty of other things I could do.
 

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BuffStuff said:
given the love that readers have of playing amatuer psychologist and trying to guess into the heads (while generally making false assumptions) of fiction authors about their character based on an element of one of his works.
Ohhh, baby, I guess they're gonna put me in the nut-house and throw away the key then.;)
 

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Diviner said:
but I am not sure whether my friend's obversation about my work is anything I can use.

Obversation? (Just teasing) - you did say you were a lousy typist, though. Perhaps your friend was attempting to let you know you tend to come across as rather 'professorial' in your writings which could distance readers. I do the same thing in my speaking mode unless I deliberately set it aside.
 

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Ugh, I have terrible grammar. I really need to proof-read my damned posts more often. Anyway, they might not throw you in the nut-house, James, but you know what I mean.
 

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BuffStuff said:
Ugh, I have terrible grammar. I really need to proof-read my damned posts more often. Anyway, they might not throw you in the nut-house, James, but you know what I mean.

Hmmm... Navajo witch takes his cousin-brother and turns him into a zombie so he can have continue to have sex with him since he had to kill him to become a witch. (that goes on sale on the 22nd)

Nope, nut-house.
 

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I would write anything and everything. It's what I mainly do now anyhow. I show some stuff to my roommate, most I either keep to myself or simply let it live in my head. I'm too... nervous to show it to anyone. There's always that inevitable look. The one that goes like 'why would you want to write about *that*?' I know, when you write you have to take a chance. I'm under no illusion that everyone, or maybe even anyone, will like what I write.

So, if no one's going to read it, I write it for me.
 

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Diviner, great question. Fiction isnt about what you get the reader to see, but you want them to feel. Pretty, flowery prose is one thing, painting a scene is one, but making all that scenery worth something to a story, to advance the plot, to involve the reader on a level deeper then the visual experience of looking at a painting, is something else entirely. I think it is striking this very balance that makes a writer 'great'.

A good piece of advice comes from Chuck Palahniuk about the dilemna of content and theme.

Rule 1, would you feel comfortable reading it outloud to an audience,
Rule 2, could they make a movie out of it,
Rule 3, would you want your mom to read it.

If the answer is no to all three, you're on to a winner.

If its not dangerous, or as he says, and i'm quoting from the excellent articles on the craft he has posted on www.chuckpalahniuk.net, "'And if it’s not going to test you – the writer – then why waste your time doing it?
What do YOU need to express?
What is the issue that is eating you up?
What is the personal fear that you can’t resolve and you can’t tolerate?
What could you never talk about in a million years? Then, write about that."

With this business being so ultra tough to break into, it would be selling ourselves short to NOT take risks and say something a little different to what is out there.
 
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