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I've often heard that a writer should write 1,000 words a day, 2,500 words a day, and other suggestions.

But I write kid lit. Much of my work is under 2,500 words (some of my short stories are under 350!).

So, children's writers, here is my question: How do measure that you are writing "enough"?
 

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I don't ever measure if I'm writing enough. As long as I feel I've accomplished something to do with writing (it could be writing a page, proof reading my work, submitting a ms or query...) it's not wasted time. And with writing for children, every. single. word. counts, so it takes even longer to write 250 words for kids than for adults.
 

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stormie said:
And with writing for children, every. single. word. counts, so it takes even longer to write 250 words for kids than for adults.

D*** straight!

I just keep reading about writers, especially beginners like me, tracking their words or pages.

I often feel I'm not doing enough.
 

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Track your time instead, then. I need that creativity time and research as well. Obviously you need to put in actual writing time, but you're not going for massive volume, so I think you could count time and not words. IMO
 

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I write a lot, but then again I'm a creative writing student (not for much longer, today is my last class)
Being in university I have 3 writing classes so I'm constantly writing.
I probably put in about 10k words every few weeks. But I also don't have a job that cuts into my time.
Personally I try to write every day but it doesn't always happen! haha
 

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A couple months ago I challenged myself to finish my second draft in a month. I tried to write 1,300 words a day, everyday. Well, it didn't work. I did that for almost two weeks and finally realized although I was writing a lot, I was writing a lot of crap. I finally accepted that I would rather write sporadically and write good stuff than write crap all the time.

I say do what you can and don't beat yourself up. Try to write everyday but don't have a word goal at first. If I had the freedom to pound out lots of words a day I would but I have way too many distractions right now.
 

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spike said:
I've often heard that a writer should write 1,000 words a day, 2,500 words a day, and other suggestions.

But I write kid lit. Much of my work is under 2,500 words (some of my short stories are under 350!).

So, children's writers, here is my question: How do measure that you are writing "enough"?

What matters is time, not words or pages. But just because much of your work is very short does not mean you should spend less time writing. There's a direct correlation between time spent writing and success. There are always exceptions to any rule, but in this case, the exceptions are few and far between.
 

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stormie said:
I don't ever measure if I'm writing enough. As long as I feel I've accomplished something to do with writing (it could be writing a page, proof reading my work, submitting a ms or query...) it's not wasted time. And with writing for children, every. single. word. counts, so it takes even longer to write 250 words for kids than for adults.

Every single word counts when writing for adults, as well. The moment you think it doesn't work this way for any type of writing, you'll write poorly.
 

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I don't keep track of how many words I write everyday. Some days I am doing a lot of different work with my writing. Mailing, editing, new writing, etc... the list goes on. But, I do write 5 or more days a week and spend an average of 6-8 hours a day writing.
 

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It depends on whether or not I am working at either or both of my day jobs on a given day. If I'm working all day, I may only manage to write in my journal. If I have a free day, I'm apt to put in 8 or 10 hours. Other days I might write for 4 hours. I am including research time in that time.
 

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Lots of words per day

I write my children's stories mostly on week nights, after everyone has gone to bed. Usually, I write until I have to stop because I don't know what happens next, I'm tired or it's getting late. I don't keep track of the word count each session.

However, I earn a living writing non-fiction articles and have a daily deadline. These articles average 500 words.

I also have a blog I try to update as regularly as possible.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
Every single word counts when writing for adults, as well. The moment you think it doesn't work this way for any type of writing, you'll write poorly.

I'm not getting into THIS discussion again.

If an adult's writer has 10K words and a children's writer has 800, you just don't have as many words to deal with.
 

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spike said:
I'm not getting into THIS discussion again.

If an adult's writer has 10K words and a children's writer has 800, you just don't have as many words to deal with.



Sure, and if a children's writer has a 25K novel, and an adult write is working on a 2,500 word short story, the adult writer has to be ten times as perfect as the children's writer, and must, of course, take ten times as long to write.

And heaven forbid that someone try to write a 400 word piece of flash fiction for an adult. It would be twice as hard to get perfect as the 800 word children's piece, and would probably take years to write.

How many words you have to deal with has nothing whatsoever to do with how well you write those words. It's a silly argument. There is no market on earth more competative that the adult short story market, but this aside, you either write a sentence correctly, you either tell a story correctly, or you don't, and anyone who thinks it's tougher to write children's fiction, or that it should take longer because it's shorter, which is just weird, and flies in teh face of all logic, and in teh face of how the best writers actually write and work, had better never try wriitng fiction for adults, and had definitely better avoid looking at how the best publisheed writers in both children's and adult fiction actually write and work.

I can write an 800 word short story for children three times as fast as I can write a 2,500 word story for adults, and I can get each sentence as perfect as possible three times as fast.

Saying short takes longer simply isn't true, and saying you have to be more perfect for children than for adults tells me you haven't sold much fiction for adults. It is, at best, an excuse for taking longer than you should to write a piece. Masterpieces have been written in a few days, and junk has has taken years to write.

You sit down and you write a sentence, and no matter what the target audience of that sentence, you either get it right or you get it wrong, and no editor wants wrong for any reader. Likewise, you sit down and you tell a story, and you either get that story right, or you get that story wrong, and it isn't one bit harder to get an 800 word story right than it is to get an 8,000 word story right. Neither has any room at all for error, but at least the shorter story has fewer elements to deal with, and fewer things that can go wrong.
 

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I don't know which was aimed at me, and which was aimed at Stormie, but I'll answer.


Jamesaritchie said:
Sure, and if a children's writer has a 25K novel, and an adult write is working on a 2,500 word short story, the adult writer has to be ten times as perfect as the children's writer, and must, of course, take ten times as long to write.

Why does the adult writer need to be "ten times as perfect"? And you really can't compare a short story to a novel. Completely different animals.

And heaven forbid that someone try to write a 400 word piece of flash fiction for an adult. It would be twice as hard to get perfect as the 800 word children's piece, and would probably take years to write.

I do believe shorter is harder. One of the reasons is that it is faster to write.

How many words you have to deal with has nothing whatsoever to do with how well you write those words. It's a silly argument.

I don't think anyone said it did. I certainly didn't.

There is no market on earth more competative that the adult short story market,

This is news to me. Could you give me references and sources?

but this aside, you either write a sentence correctly, you either tell a story correctly, or you don't, and anyone who thinks it's tougher to write children's fiction, or that it should take longer because it's shorter, which is just weird, and flies in teh face of all logic, and in teh face of how the best writers actually write and work, had better never try wriitng fiction for adults, and had definitely better avoid looking at how the best publisheed writers in both children's and adult fiction actually write and work.

I think it is harder to write short because you have less words to work with, not because it takes more or less time.

I can write an 800 word short story for children three times as fast as I can write a 2,500 word story for adults, and I can get each sentence as perfect as possible three times as fast.

Really? I'm impressed. Please let me know where I can read your published work so I can learn from you.

Saying short takes longer simply isn't true, and saying you have to be more perfect for children than for adults tells me you haven't sold much fiction for adults.

No, I've sold no adult fiction. I don't write adult fiction. Again, please let me know where I can read your published work.

It is, at best, an excuse for taking longer than you should to write a piece. Masterpieces have been written in a few days, and junk has has taken years to write.

This was addressed above.

You sit down and you write a sentence, and no matter what the target audience of that sentence, you either get it right or you get it wrong, and no editor wants wrong for any reader. Likewise, you sit down and you tell a story, and you either get that story right, or you get that story wrong, and it isn't one bit harder to get an 800 word story right than it is to get an 8,000 word story right. Neither has any room at all for error, but at least the shorter story has fewer elements to deal with, and fewer things that can go wrong.

I don't agree, but I'll leave room for you to convince me. Try this experiment. Write the story of Cinderella in 25k words then write it in 800 words. And keep all the story elements. I don't know that I could do it, but I've seen it done.
 
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I think it's a given that in stories for young children, each word must be right on the mark. There is no room for any vagarities at all. You must get right to the point, and in an entertaining way.When you write for children, you really have to keep your audience in mind, as opposed to writing for adults, when you have the luxury of being able to just write for yourself, if you so choose.
 

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Couldn't it just be said that it all depends on the writer? Some people can think about a topic or plot and put it on paper exactly as it should be, and some need to get it down first and revise revise revise...regardless of target audience. Methods vary, but the goal is the same- end up with the best ms possible.
 

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Hi. I'm new here. I usually write at least 1000 words a day. My goal each week is 5K. Sometimes I make it and sometimes I don't. Right now I'm working on a YA Fantasy.