Is it me or do Novels sell way easier than screenplays

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All I see on this forum is how someone has sold their Novel. Has anyone here sold their script? At the very least optioned it? Let me know. It seems to me that we are all writing as more as a hobby. Is the competition to great as a screenwriter vs. a novelist?
 

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Royale With Cheese said:
All I see on this forum is how someone has sold their Novel. Has anyone here sold their script? At the very least optioned it? Let me know. It seems to me that we are all writing as more as a hobby. Is the competition to great as a screenwriter vs. a novelist?

I've sold and optioned screenplays; I've had novels published (with major publishers, NOT vanity press) and so have a number of posters here.

This era of the spec screenplay has passed; I was lucky to sell in those days as now I have credits.

What's wrong with writing as a hobby? Do you think everyone here really thinks they will "make it big"? There are thousands of people all over the country who enjoy participating in amateur theatre... do you think they all aspire to make it to Broadway or the big screen?

Someone (in the business) told me that the chance of selling a screenplay is about 250,000 to one while the chance of selling a novel is about 25,000 to one... based on those submitted against those that are sold. The odds are in no one's favor but they are better than the lottery.

Writing is fun; it's a good hobby.
 

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Never said anything was wrong with wrtitng as a hobby. Hell, that's how I got started writing screenplays. As I got older I thought it would be nice to make a little money from it. I have no dream of ever making it big. I just see more and more published novelists here than screenwriters who have sold anything. I thought it would be a good boost for the screenwriters here to share if they have sold anything.
 

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Royale With Cheese said:
Never said anything was wrong with wrtitng as a hobby. Hell, that's how I got started writing screenplays. As I got older I thought it would be nice to make a little money from it. I have no dream of ever making it big. I just see more and more published novelists here than screenwriters who have sold anything. I thought it would be a good boost for the screenwriters here to share if they have sold anything.

I think th ebigger question is whether anyone has ever had anything of theirs PRODUCED.

As for spec screenplays: I write with the ful intention of getting them produced.. may sound naive to the rest of you, but I couldn't imagine just writing them for fun (though it IS fun!)

I am aware of the difficulty; I think one way of getting around it, in my case, is starting with novels and adapting them; I've already made a bit of headway here, got a bit of attention. As for my present original screenplay: if it doesn't work as a spec I'll try adapting it into a novel, sell the novel, and who knows. In a nutshell: I'm serious, but a rank beginner! In ten years I might be thinking differently...
 

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Nothing sold, but I've never tried to pitch anything that hard either. As Aruna mentioned, I don't just write for fun, but I'm also skeptical about submitting a script. Even if someone buys it, and you're incredibly fortunate just to get that far (or even to get representation for that matter), said script may never see the light of day (or dark of theater, as it were). Or it may get produced but be a virtually unrecognizable product (read the script online for the horror film They, then check out the movie. Finding similarities is damn near like playing Where's Waldo).

I'm actually giving serious consideration to enrolling in film school, because that's where the control is anyway.
 

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Call me naive; but if I did not write with passion, and with the firm belief that one day, my story (whether novel or screenplay) will be read or viewed by others, I would never get anything done. That passion is essential to my work.

At the same time I am well schooled in rejection; I've had years of it. So no matter what comes, I can take it and I am not going to fall from Cloud Nine or Ninety if it doesn't happen. So we need to temper passion with a good deal of reality!
 

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It costs very little to publish a book, compared to making, marketing, and distributing a movie.


I'm not saying it costs nothing, but I think the difference is huge (at least when it comes to mainstream wide releases.) Indie and bootstrap movies are of course different.
 

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madmaxmedia said:
It costs very little to publish a book, compared to making, marketing, and distributing a movie.


I'm not saying it costs nothing, but I think the difference is huge (at least when it comes to mainstream wide releases.) Indie and bootstrap movies are of course different.

Exactly. And fewer people are involved. A movie is teamwork; hundreds of people are involved before it can hit the screen. A novel is just between writer and editor. Fewer people are needed to for the final approval.
 

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a temporary farewell, and explanation...

Just wanted to check in here with an update - I haven't bene on the forum much of late because of personal issues - my husband has contracted Parkinson's disease and we are busy packing up our house in Germany for sale and a hundred other things. The good news is that I decided to start "White Night, the novel" and it is going very well - I write in the very early morning, which leaves me time during the day for the boring stuff.

I do believe that the novel will be much easier to sell; and I want to thank everyone for their great comments on my first attempt at a screenplay, and for their patience. I learned a tremendous amount here from all those who commented, and from reading your comments and critiques of other screenplays. Sorry I couldn't offer much myself in the way of critique, other than "I liked it!"
I hope one day to write an ADAPTATION of the novel, and then all your wonderful tips will be put to good use.
I am so glad I did it this way. Writing it as a screenplay first really helped to focus me and get the spine of the beast working, but I soon realised how much I have to learn regarding screenplay technique.
I won't be gone for good; as soon a things settledown on the home front, and the novel is finished, and, I hope sold, I'll be back!
 

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Royale With Cheese said:
All I see on this forum is how someone has sold their Novel. Has anyone here sold their script? At the very least optioned it? Let me know. It seems to me that we are all writing as more as a hobby. Is the competition to great as a screenwriter vs. a novelist?

The problem is the number of slots avaiolable. For every major movie made, there are hundreds of novels published, so in this sense, yes, it's easier to sell a novel.

But it is not about odds. That's silliness. It's about being better than just about everyone else out there. The era of the spec screenplay hasn't passed. Many still sell every year. What has happened is that the competition has grown larger, and gotten better. In any form or writing, you're iwth better than at least 99% of everyone else who's trying to beatyou out, or you aren't going anywhere. And ike any other form of writing, at some point you have the chance to show what you can do. Then it's all on your shoulders.

Screenplay writing is like any other kind of writing. . .if you have the talent and the drive, you sell. If you lack either one, you're in trouble.

And the fewer slots any form of writing offers, the better you have to be to fill one of those slots.
 

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once they option and then buy your screenplay they have to make it and that is money, lots of it and the reward will come much later if there is any and sometimes it takes years for a script to be bought and a movie made and sold and distributed and so many people write scripts, i maybe biased by its easier to write a 120page script than a 100000 words novel and so there are many more screen writers out there but not that many movies are being made each other plus major studios like to hire known writers already so youre left with the indies and the competition is fierce and sometimes it really means you need to know people
 

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Jcomp said:
I'm actually giving serious consideration to enrolling in film school, because that's where the control is anyway.

ha ha ha! what control?


As noted, well more books get published than novels.

Also, well more people write on these boards about writing novels than screenplays.

Unlike novels, selling a screenplay has a lot more to do with who you know (well, getting it read anyway).

and Aruna -- so sorry to hear it and you will absolutely be missed. Come back as soon as you can!
 

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Ah, so sorry to hear you're leaving. When you come back, I'll be here, and we'll be Furum Buddies. Thanks for the help. I'm becoming a cyber butterfly, flitting from forum to forum.

Good Luck with your novels and screenplays, and come back soon.
 

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A recent article in Writer's Digest magazine sums up my experience with screenwriting: I hate "writing", but I love "having written".

I have completed three full-length screenplays at this point, with numerous aborted products in between. Writing the first two screenplays was like being stretched by some medieval torture device. The third screenplay was slightly more gratifying. I have been unable to revise them into subsequent drafts, though. Why relive the anguish of the original nightmare over and over again? I think pyschologists refer to this as post-traumatic stress disorder.

And insanity.

Yet, much like a prostate exam--never enjoyable, but often necessary--there are times when writing a screenplay must be done.

After graduating from film school, it quickly became apparent that if one wanted an above-the-line (see also: non film jobber) gig, he would have to punch his own ticket. Afterall, everyone wants to make a movie. What sets the "haves" apart from the "have nots" is the creativity/skill/and slave ethic that results from, and is illuminated by, the process of creating a screenplay.

Want to direct a film? I hope you can write. If you can, you've got the keys to the Caddy. If not, then you don't deserve the job of translating someone's ideas, hard work, and story structure to the screen anyway.

If I viewed the act of writing a script as pure hobby, with zero expectation of a future sale or production, there's no way I could even finish the first page. Screenwriting is inherently unrewarding, and more treacherous than a 10,000-piece jigsaw puzzle (structure, anyone?). At least at the end of a novelist's tour of duty, he has something that can be self-published. And read. When's the last time someone plucked a screenplay from a book rack for reading enjoyment? I write screenplays and even I wouldn't read one. There's a reason why crummy manilla covers are the industry standard. No one wants to see or hear from the damned things until they're slated for production with a projected return of at least several million dollars. And maybe not even then. (Samuel L. Jackson is on record as saying he committed to one of his latest projects without having read the script. Wonder why.)

I just finished Augusten Burrough's first two memoirs. Now those actually looked fun and breezy to write. Maybe if my latest screenplay never makes it to production, I'll make the leap to non-fiction writing. At least I'll have something with a cool cover to show friends.

Published book (self or otherwise) equals legitimate author. Completed screenplay equals hack with too much time on his hands.

I say all of this, realizing of course that my relationship with screenwriting is like your average abusive marriage. The screenplay is the abuser, and I am the battered husband. In the end, I'll keep coming back for more because it's all I know. Screenwriting has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember, and it pains me more to stay away than when I'm immersed in it.
 

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