The New Never-Ending PublishAmerica Thread (NEPAT)

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spike said:
Ken, I usually agree with you, but not this time. I like to know if a book is from a vanity press (or the like).
Sure, but naming and concisely characterizing the publisher ("print-on-demand vanity publisher PublishAmerica") alongside the other publication info. (title, author, date, and price) would have sufficed, IMHO. I just thought it stuck out like a sore thumb, better left for a separate article specifically on PublishAmerica. Seemed to be a tacky intrusion.

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I tend to agree. I'd've rearranged it so it read as review, comments on quality of book/publisher, then positive final paragraph regarding hopes for next book. But it's a lot more than most PAers receive, even from their local papers. Ah, well.
 

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It did kind of jump out at me too, but I admit I got a sick kind of pleasure from it. Nothing against the author, but it seems that the word is getting out about PA and the media aren't so in the dark anymore.

But I agree it probably was better left off. Or at least not made such a big deal of.

And what does that tell you, PA lurkers? How many reviews for other "Traditional, royalty-paying" publishers include an explanation of their activities? I don't usually see publisher information in reviews from Random House, or even a small publisher like Winterwolf or Behler. Why is that?
 

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DaveKuzminski said:
It would be interesting to know if she also received checks for those royalties.

She told me she had not received a check.
 

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DaveKuzminski said:
She should consider taking PA into arbitration or even get a lawyer to take them to court.
I am not a lawyer, nor a tax lawyer, nor an accoutant, nor trained in the esoteric and mystical arts of the IRS.
That being said, however, I would certainly bring the matter to the attention of the IRS. "Dear IRS, I have received a 1099 reporting income which I never received. Could you advise me as to which line I report the income on, and on which line I report the loss?"
 

DeePower

Is not paying royalties considered a crime?

Just wondering.

If an employee takes money from a company - it is considered a crime - embezzlement.

If a company doesn't pay money it owes is that considered a crime? I'm not talking about a one time mishap, a mistake through carelessness or bad book keeping, the inability to pay, or refusal to pay because of a disagreement in the amount owed. I'm talking about intentionally not paying money the company knows it owes on a consistent and regular basis.

Dee
 

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ByGrace said:
She told me she had not received a check.

Grace, if she received an IRS 1099 from PA for money she did not receive, she needs to contact her accountant for the best way to report this (and deduct it) on her tax return; she also needs to report this to the IRS.


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Oh, yes, definitely talk to the IRS. It can be hard to get law-enforcement officials interested in literary crimes, because they usually don't understand the complexities of the situation.

For the IRS, on the other hand, the issue is very simple: They're not getting their money. They'll take an interest, all right. Especially if they get calls from several people about the same company (and we know they've been contacted about PA already).
 

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ByGrace said:
Another author emailed me to say she received a tax statement from PA saying she earned over $20 in royalites in 05. Her contract was terminated in early 2004. Now that just doesn't seem right.

How likely is it that those books were in a warehouse somewhere? That's not one or two books. Those may have been printed after the contract termination.
 

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Tilly said:
How likely is it that those books were in a warehouse somewhere? That's not one or two books. Those may have been printed after the contract termination.

Very unlikely. PA's books are produced as print on demand. They're not going to pay for books to be produced that have no buyer yet. Also, the printers stated they couldn't provide storage for any books without a constant demand because it would cost them under tax laws to have those on hand. That's why it's almost certain that the books were produced after the contract was terminated and means that PA and LS did not have the right to produce those.
 

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DaveKuzminski said:
Very unlikely. PA's books are produced as print on demand.

snipped for bervity

It could be that the books were shelved somewhere. In '02, 03' and '04, Ingrams, Amazon, and BN were shelving a couple of copies of several PA books.

A quick check of my first book showed 3 copies in Ingrams presently. My second only had one copy stocked at Ingrams and when it sold, they elected not to stock anymore.

How long these companies were holding the other author's books is in question and whether they should have been paid when delivered to the places is another matter. with a royalty near $20, that would be a dozen or more books. That is a significant stocking order somewhere.

With the new discounts, I believe that we will not see this scenario again.
 

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drumming up the troops...

new in the "I got a bad review!" thread...

"As far as the comments about PA, that was utterly uncalled for as well and absolutely untrue. When this reviewer made those ugly comments she attacked every PA author and insulted everyone who has read and enjoyed a book PA publishes. I should think PA would demand a very large retraction and a very loud public apology.

PA's authors are selling through nearly every mainstream retail venue and I don't know of any lawsuits in the works do you? I know Bush is being tried in courts around the world as a murderer and terrorist because of his deceptive invasion of Iraq and the tens of thousands of innocent civilians that have been killed by coilition forces there and around the world but I don't see her paper making much of an issue of it. Not a word of that is in her paper. I think this ol' broad in Maine needs to consider her sources before she prints something as fact. That is something I think is worth spending a few dollars to advertise.

Since this reviewer definitly has very few scruples and has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt she isn't above printing lies to disparage a reputable company I think the paper has an obligation to remove her. Apparently either through blatant ignorance, jealousy, or plain vindictiveness this person has chosen to try and discredit an author by printing untruths about a third party, in this case the publisher. Seems to me she has a fairly obvious affection for your father too. Maybe that's one of the reasons your mother left town.

I should suggest you ignore this situation completely. Its beneath a person, such as yourself, who has proven herself to be of such admirable character. Look around at your family and the life you've been able to create. That's all the evidence you should need to know your story is valid and even this vapid reviewer didn't have the pettiness to try and disparage your talent. But I know I couldn't just walk away. Take out that ad, expose her lies, and then have those freinds and readers barage that paper with some accurate reviews and not weak, poorly substanuated critiques. I see a major interview coming out of this and you should be the first one to contact local radio staions and that paper to demand you have equal access to the media."

of course, the writer's book hasn't been released yet...

:Shrug:

lurkers - do you REALISE how stupid you look when you post things like this on the public boards? Really?

and then you wonder why you can't get your PA overpriced, under-edited tome reviewed anywhere other than by other PA authors...
 

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I have updated my website. Everyone is free to come and take a look. Very thought-provoking if I say so myself. Hold on to your hats.
www.geocities.com/complexitypoet

It's gone from the PA board now, but YAY!

Edit: Ilovepensandpaper did this:hooray:
 
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Hmm...I wonder if "Ilovepensandpaper" has found a new way to get out of a PA contract? They've got to hate her right now, well done!

Should someone warn that poor reviewer in Maine that she's about to get dragged through the mud by a rabid bunch of "published authors"? Poor lady, she'll never see it coming. And she'll certainly never review a PA book again.

Edit: Thanks Tilly, I forgot
 
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It wasn't me, it was Ilovepensandpaper :)
I'll edit my post to make it clear!
 

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Christine N. said:
And the "I got a bad review" thread is no more. I think... I couldn't find it.

It makes sense that PA would delete it. The thread contains a link to an article that has negative information about PA. While most of the PA authors would vehemently stand by and defend their publisher (for whatever reason) there will be the few degenerates that considers the article to have a bit of truth to it. PA wouldn't have that, and they wouldn't have any would-be victims scared off either.

-Nick
 

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There's a special T-shirt you can buy if you get banned from the PA forum from cafe press. :D
 

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A T-shirt/what I wrote to PA and they haven't responded...

Ain't that a trip! A T-shirt! Wow. Now i would spend money on that! Well, I haven't received any emails concerning that or as a reply to an email I had sent when I first found out about PA. Here is what I wrote:

To Whom It May Concern:
I have written before concerned getting books for book signings and events, and I am appalled that I should have to pay out of pocket for books for these events! If anything, the books the author requests( their OWN work), should be given to them at no cost, but the potential buyers, on the otherhand, should pay. Both the company and the author both benefit from this - I do not see how PA doesn't see that. The authors at PA are not given a generous advance or anything similar to be paying for large amounts of books, traveling all over the place, and making promotional materials.

I also have another concern. I contacted a bookstore that said that it doesn't shelve self-published books. I thought PA was not a self-publishing company! It claims it is a traditional publisher. If that bookstore is mistaken, I believe that it will behoove you to call this particular bookstore and explain to them that you are not a self-publisher so that your business would not suffer from misinformation. I won't send the info of the bookstore unless you ask for it, and I will be sure to check up with them in the event that you do decide to call and do call them.

I am also upset that you claimed to put authors' books in major bookstores, and you don't! In fact, authors have to promote with them as well! What is traditional about this? What promotion does PA do on authors' behalves?

I am very concerned about my book. I put a lot of effort and hard work into my work, and I expect the best to be done by it. It needs diligent promotion and the help of a reputable publisher to get into the limelight. It doesn't need an author who is burnt out and broke because the publisher won't give her a break by having free promotional books for book signing and events - without taking money from the author's pocket.

I believe you will take this matter seriously, and will do your best to satisfy your authors. I believe you have your authors' interests at heart and want to see them succeed. I hope to hear from you as soon as possible regarding this matter. Thank you.


I sent that January 30th. I may just resend it again to see if I get a response...
 
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