Getting Depth and Life From the Brain to the Page

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:e2thud: The biggest wall I've been hitting lately is: What I write is dead redundant, and lacks luster life and depth. All this is in my brain. I was on the phone tonight talking about a couple of my characters. A 3rd party, if they had listened in, would have thought they were hearing some meaty gossip. These characters are deep in my head. They're full of life and fire. But then, I was talking from the eutheric realm of my brain.

Somehow this doesn't show up on the page! I end up detaching from the whole thing in the process and end up with No depth and not enough angles to make character's real, with complex little tangents in my story. I need more twisty detours and a less linear approach to my writing.

Maybe this is a fear based thing. I end up focusing too hard on things that could be suggested, and instead I end up with a mass of dialog redundancy. I end up with some generic, cookie cutter formula.

I think this is something anyone can relate to. Even when I tell a story from the recent months of my life, it's either the most exciting thing going or I detach and the same story is a bore.

The latter seems to happen in my scripts. Now who wants to pay $10 for a bore??? No I don't want my stuff to be real life, but the fantasy has to be believeable.

I'd like to know just how to get beyond these hurdles, so I can get screenplays with life.

Any experiences/ideas R greatly appreciated. Read lots of books, but it hasn't clicked yet.

Jennifer
 

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As long as you weren't on the phone tonight talking to your characters, that's what's important. :)

I can't answer your question. I'm the shallowest person I know. My characters reflect this. They're naturally passive, say the most uninteresting things, and only stir when something happens that requires a reaction. They lack motivation. They lack ambition. They lack drive. Just like me! You think you have problems? Try being me for a day and see how sizzling your writing doesn't become.

I hope you'll sell your script for a lot more than $10.

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Pstudios,

Go back to your phone conversation.

What was so interesting about it?
What were you saying that others would have found juicy?
What was your POV or frame of reference about the story?

Recall that conversation and then try to capture those same thoughts and ideas.

Perhaps you are trying too hard to force your story into screenplay format.
You might need to just let it flow on it's own at first. Then you can go back and reformat it.
 

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Eutheric: It a "New Age/hippie" term for the unseen, invisible realms of existance. :e2fairy: Some even use it to refer to some sort of spiritual realm or it can be used to refer to the part of our mind that comes up with all the creative/juicy and hopefully fresh ideas (Maybe this hippie desert town is getting to me).

Derek, I have to disagree w/ you. You hardly seem boring to me. Well here's a good story line: We could trade places and after a month of my excitement U might want boring. Try some hurricanes, travel, ton's of exotic characters from all walks of life and the drama that goes with it. Everyday gets wierder than the one before. :e2drown: But, it might make a movie the audience would pay $10 to see. No, the script is going to have to sell for $10 plus a lot of 0000's at the end.

Scripter, Wow you have some good points. Glad I had that pen and notebook while I was on the phone. Will be continueing that discussion about my characters tomorrow.

I just wish I could go from the detached version to the living version and even be able to do this with dialog. I plan to become good at this, hopefully sooner than later.

Thanx 4 the great input.
Jennifer
 

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I don't know if this is what you ar running into, but there is only so much backstory to a character that is relevant. You could be excited about the life of your characters that exists outside the script and should be, but I think it would be wise not to stress about craming in all of that backstory. You only need to write in what is relevent to the plot of the narrative. People don't want to see a character do or say something that is irreleveant to the story. If you are trying to add depth to the character by putting in dialouge or action that does not help the story along in anyway than you are wasting pages.

Secondly, it seems like you are trying to characterize your characters through dialouge, that your dialouge is missing something. Perhaps you would be better off characterizing them with actions. Actions are left open to greater interpertation than explict dialouge and could bring a depth to a semmingly flat character. Give a character some silent time where they act in a way that is intriguing.

I also think you should look critically at your scrpit scene by scene. Figure out the purpose of that scene and the conflict held within it. Look at all the characters invloved. Think of how their backstory would cause them to react to the conflict. Think of the characters wants within the scene. What are they trying to accomplish? The way they go about dealing with conflict and trying to get their wants is very telling of their personality.

Lastly, a complex character is one who defeats our expectations at times, and changes throughout the script. The character cannot defeat expectations or change unless they are put in situations where they need to react. And to react there needs to be action. You cannot learn the depth of a character without actions. You will not learn the depth of a character by letting them sit around and jabber on about themselves, about their likes and dislikes, their new ipod, or how they have seasonal allergies. Before you can talk you have to act.

That could all be pure BS though.
 
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:thankyou:Optimus: Yeah probably something like that, and you can add in the rich hippies too! Hee! Hee!


Mead: Helpful input. Don't think it's BS. Gives me new perspective. Other's can see things I can't. I think I've been at a stuck plateau, where I need to improve my skills at this craft and am getting to a place where I'm starting to move to the next level. I continued discussion about my characters/story today and adding your feedback I can work out some of the glitches. These comments have given me clarity I was missing before.

I think I need to sit down and play with writing some scenes some w/ dialog and some with action only. These aren't scenes that I will necessarily use, but will allow me to expand my characters, their place in the story, as to where they want to go and who they R. Also practice makes perfect, right? After this, hopefully I'll be able to give script what it needs.

There's lots of useful info out there it's a matter of finding what works and what hits home at each given moment, and applying it.

Jennifer
 
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