A Student Production Dilema

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There are about a million things that make a student film a daunting thing to undertake. There is the matter of balancing time with school and the movie. A basicly zero dollar budget. Lack of talent in every possible arena. Having to take on multiple responsiblities. Crew or actors not being dependable. Little to no control over on location shoots. etc... etc... This is why when you hear "student film" you most likely expect to see "total crap" or at least have greatly lowered expecations, and this is fine becuse after all they are just learning the craft.

Well as a student film maker I try my hardest to work with my limitations to the best of my ability and, if I'm lucky, create something that works with out excuses. And as well as being director I am the screenwriter for these movies I do. At first from mere need, but then finding I loved it as another form of writing. When I write my scripts I am always aware of what I will be able to pull off and what I can't do.

With the latest script I'm working on I'm very concerend with keeping it a short length (20-25 pages) because of this I needed to move things along quickly, I choose to tell the first act in flashback form with the main character narrating the events. But at some points in that flashback I still have the need to cram as much as I can into as little space as I can, not only because of length restraints but also, to use less actors, and less location shooting, factors that could lead to the project never getting done.

What my real question is, is that in parts of this narrated flashback sequence I feel like I get a bit too talky. Sometimes I am forced to tell and not show some important events, for the above reasons. I know it's rule one of screenwriting to show and not tell, and I'm very concerend that things will be preceived as too talky. I'm just wondering if you think I can get away with this in some places and if there are movies that you thought had a lot of "talkiness" in V.O. but ended up working really well. I'd like some reccomendations on scripts like that so I can learn from them and perhaps not feel to guilty for being a bit talky. Thanks.
 
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Yeah, I see your dilemma, and I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. Often I write a script and it's way too "talky" and I need to change it. Indeed, location limitations can force you to HAVE to talk the drama in rather than show. Is it not possible maybe to take that part of the flashback that you think is too "talky" and reveal it later on in the movie? That way it won't necessarily seem so verbose if you know what I mean.
 

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I have a fear of heights, so every time I see a tall building I rush to the rooftop and lean over!

I have a fear of sharks, so every morning I tie bloody steaks around my waist and go swimming in shark-infested waters!

I want to make short films, so I always write twisty plots with flashback scenes that need big explanations and voice overs!

Can we see a pattern here? :)

Have you considered denying yourself V.O. and flashbacks? Well sure, you've considered it. But have you actually tried writing that way?

I've seen too many writers paint themselves into a corner and then complain, in the form of a "How do I...?" question, that the floor's covered in wet paint. This sounds like one of those questions.

Try writing a linear story -- beginning, middle, end, no deviation, no flashbacks, no explanations, just visuals as the story unfolds. And then, move the scenes around. Maybe write them on cards, then throw the cards up into the air and see which order they happen to fall in.

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I'd say

you need to refine your story down to it's most basic concept and core conflict and start from there. It's a very good chance that you are trying to do too much.

Go back to the basics and then as D said come at it again from a visual, non flashback angle. Use VO and Flashback as a last resort.

And what you initally think is relevant may not be. Try parring it down and if the story still works you have your answer.
 

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PS - I just read Sexual Life on www.imsdb.com

Voice overs aren't marked V.O. but all the lead characters have their chance to express their inner feelings, which we otherwise wouldn't have known about, and I thought it all worked pretty well.

Haven't seen the film but I found the script entertaining enough. Adults only.

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