Does This Irritate Anyone Else... Or Is It Just Me?

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First, let me say that I like cozies, particularly those that feature little old ladies. I read every Patricia Wentworth book that featured Miss Silver and to say that I ADORE Miss Marple, especially in her latest adaptation on PBS, would be an understatement.

But I absolutely do not like mysteries that feature the p.o.v. of animals. And I do love animals, but I don't want to read some human's interpretation of what they say. Okay, the occasional p.o.v. of a hawk or a deer or a bear or wolf or fox or something that witnesses a body dump is fine provided this is in the prologue and not a recurring theme.

Yes, there are lots of mysteries that feature cats and such (though I can't imagine why cats would care about the machinations of human beings -- mine sure wouldn't) but those authors, bless 'em, or at least their publishers let you know up front. There's a kitty on the book cover, or a horse, or a search and rescue dog, or whatever. I can respect that -- it's a niche in the genre and people deserve the characters and the books they want.

But what annoys me is when -- in a perfectly human p.o.v. book -- an animal steps up to give its opinion.

For example, I've been reading Martha Grimes since she began her series (Richard Jury); I've put up with a lot in her books. Absurd characters, preposterous plot holes, etc. but some of her work is brilliant, even laugh out loud funny, and her characters, well, most of them grow on you. But a couple of books ago she had a cat as a character. I thought it was an aberration... then the next book she not only had the cat, but a dog, too. Add that to a villain who reappears and spouts incomprehensible (to my little brain) mathematical ideas, and I had to finally say goodbye to Grimes. Usually with series, I'm an until-death-do-us-part reader -- RIP Inspector Morse, and Robert Parker, etc. -- but this animal stuff is just too much.

Please just give me a little old lady, preferable one who drinks tea and knits.

Perhaps I'm just venting but I would love to know if I'm alone in this?

Mel
 

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I'm not much of a cozy reader, so haven't encountered this, but yes, it would irritate me.

(though I can't imagine why cats would care about the machinations of human beings -- mine sure wouldn't)

:D Truer words, my friend, truer words...
 

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Yup, that would irritate me to the point of giving up on the series. Once an author establishes a contract with the reader, they shouldn't break it by throwing in animal POVs where they don't belong.
 

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First, let me say that I like cozies, particularly those that feature little old ladies. I read every Patricia Wentworth book that featured Miss Silver and to say that I ADORE Miss Marple, especially in her latest adaptation on PBS, would be an understatement.

But I absolutely do not like mysteries that feature the p.o.v. of animals. And I do love animals, but I don't want to read some human's interpretation of what they say. Okay, the occasional p.o.v. of a hawk or a deer or a bear or wolf or fox or something that witnesses a body dump is fine provided this is in the prologue and not a recurring theme.

Yes, there are lots of mysteries that feature cats and such (though I can't imagine why cats would care about the machinations of human beings -- mine sure wouldn't) but those authors, bless 'em, or at least their publishers let you know up front. There's a kitty on the book cover, or a horse, or a search and rescue dog, or whatever. I can respect that -- it's a niche in the genre and people deserve the characters and the books they want.

But what annoys me is when -- in a perfectly human p.o.v. book -- an animal steps up to give its opinion.

For example, I've been reading Martha Grimes since she began her series (Richard Jury); I've put up with a lot in her books. Absurd characters, preposterous plot holes, etc. but some of her work is brilliant, even laugh out loud funny, and her characters, well, most of them grow on you. But a couple of books ago she had a cat as a character. I thought it was an aberration... then the next book she not only had the cat, but a dog, too. Add that to a villain who reappears and spouts incomprehensible (to my little brain) mathematical ideas, and I had to finally say goodbye to Grimes. Usually with series, I'm an until-death-do-us-part reader -- RIP Inspector Morse, and Robert Parker, etc. -- but this animal stuff is just too much.

Please just give me a little old lady, preferable one who drinks tea and knits.

Perhaps I'm just venting but I would love to know if I'm alone in this?

Mel

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So nice not to be alone...

Thanks all... I was wondering if I wasn't being "open-minded".

I did bring all this up with my cat, my dogs, the blue jay nesting outside the kitchen window and the herd of deer that drink from my pond. Curiously, they don't like the interference of humans in their fiction;)

As for ferrets... hmmm, I don't think I've ever seen one in any MTS book before, have you? Might be interesting to have a pet ferret discover a body... those little tracks would definitely be hard to identify by the crime scene techs... or maybe not?
 

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Oh.



*finds 'amoeba that thinks' section in ms*


*hits the delete button*



RIP, little fella. :(
 

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I like little old ladies in cozy mysteries myself - mine features a semi-neurotic woman with a penchant for sticking her nose into everyone's business (truly, not based on myself).

Animals sleuthing - my 10 month old baby is way smarter than my dog, so I don't know. I think animal detectives is a bit too precious for my taste.
 

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Never stumbled across this, is it becoming more prevalent?

Anyway, I prefer the little old ladies to be the serial killers.
 

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I don't really read cozies, and I can't say I've come across anything like that. I did love that book...How to Race in the Rain or something like that, but you know going in the entire book is from the dog's POV.

I would stop reading if what you described in the OP happened, I think.
 

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I don't like animal sleuths either. As much as I love animals, I don't buy the conceit. However...there's always an exception to my Rules Carved in Stone, it seems, and I really did love Three Bags Full with its flock of sheep sleuths--it made me laugh a lot.
 

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Wouldn't even make it out of the bookstore in my hand. Gads. I think I'll write a mystery with my 10 month old granddaughter as the sleuth, she doesn't talk yet either. You know, like that commercial where the baby checks his stocks?

Maybe How to Race in the Rain started a bandwagon to jump on.
 

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I think I'll write a mystery with my 10 month old granddaughter as the sleuth, she doesn't talk yet either. You know, like that commercial where the baby checks his stocks?

You might be on to something HIGHLY commercial. Maybe you could have your little granddaughter partnered with a pet... maybe a parrot or a turtle? You two could laugh all the way to the bank.:D
 

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You might be on to something HIGHLY commercial. Maybe you could have your little granddaughter partnered with a pet... maybe a parrot or a turtle? You two could laugh all the way to the bank.:D

Bahahaha she can team up with my 15 month old! I have to say, my girl is a pretty good sleuth. I can't hide anything from her!
 

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For me, it depends on the skill of the writer. I've found most animals are more intelligent than most people, and usually have better grammar skills. If the writer can capture this, I'm fine with the tale.
 

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For me, it depends on the skill of the writer. I've found most animals are more intelligent than most people, and usually have better grammar skills. If the writer can capture this, I'm fine with the tale.
My cat is three and still hasn't worked out shadows. If I got bumped off, my money'd be on the local plod, not my little snugglebottom...Agree about the grammar skills, though! Never heard her say, 'I want to lay down' instead of 'I want to lie down'.;)
 

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My cat is three and still hasn't worked out shadows. If I got bumped off, my money'd be on the local plod, not my little snugglebottom...Agree about the grammar skills, though! Never heard her say, 'I want to lay down' instead of 'I want to lie down'.;)

You certainly have a polite cat. Mine just says "Get off my bed." For some reason my cat never feels the need to justify what he wants to do.

All kidding aside, animals never seem to overuse adverbs -- have you noticed that? Or adjectives, for that matter. And all their verbs are action verbs. Or maybe I spend too much time with mammalian carnivores? But all the animals I know, including herbivores, seem to say what they mean, no useless gibberish.

Human babies, have you noticed, never use stilted dialogue. Hey, it may be gibberish but it's said with gusto.

Babies and critters rule! (Literally.)

Though I've been complaining about humans putting words in the internal-dialogue mouths of critters in MTS, let me just say that I love animals and babies in MTS fiction... as long as they don't get hurt. I don't like either one harmed, and I don't care if it's fiction. I just can't contemplate it, period.

Even my grumpy cat.
 

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I love animals and babies in MTS fiction... as long as they don't get hurt. I don't like either one harmed, and I don't care if it's fiction. I just can't contemplate it, period.

Even my grumpy cat.

+one zillion

Seeing an animal in a book will make me put the book down or start skimming 'cause I'm so afraid something terrible will happen to him/her.

Not true with babies/kids (I hate reading about them for different reasons. Ha!). Not sure why. Too much experience with abused animals IRL, maybe?
 

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Seeing an animal in a book will make me put the book down or start skimming 'cause I'm so afraid something terrible will happen to him/her.

Not true with babies/kids (I hate reading about them for different reasons. Ha!). Not sure why. Too much experience with abused animals IRL, maybe?

Hmmm... interesting, you know, I worry about animals the minute they make an appearance in a book because they seem a part of the "real" world. But with human victims, I fully comprehend the violence is "not real". I see the writer behind human victims (and often their verbal portraiture techniques), but with animals in peril I only seem to see the animals.

That's illogical but I feel the same way about movies. I can watch ultra-violent movies with my nephews but I could barely bring myself to watch THE WAR HORSE because I was worried silly about the horse.
 

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This is a PS for my above post.

Just before I hit "Submit Reply", I glanced down and saw the option "Disable Smilies in Text".

I read it as "Disable Similies" and actually wondered if would be possible to disable metaphors too.

I blame it on my cat. He was assisting me with this post and he needs glasses.