What sort of literary role could I fulfill?

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I'm not what you would call a "normal" writer. First of all, I hardly read books yet somehow I was able to write ten thousand words in a day at one point. Second of all, my writing is intermittent and only briefly inspired. I can hardly keep a writing schedule for longer than a few weeks at a time, and these periods of writing are quite far apart separated by vast periods of disinterest. Thirdly, despite all of this I have been told throughout my life that my writing has an eloquence, even in the third grade a teacher told me this.

What I've been trying to figure out for quite some time is what might be my role as a writer. What niche could I fill in literary terms given that which I understand to be a peculiar mix of traits? Does this sense?

Any help would be much appreciated.
 

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  1. Read more. You're going to widen your interests and figure out what you might or might not like to write.
  2. Write more. You'll find more inspiration and it'll become easier to write.
  3. Read some more.
  4. Write some more.
It amazes me when somebody says "I don't read much but I really want to write!" The two go hand in hand.
 

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What I've been trying to figure out for quite some time is what might be my role as a writer. What niche could I fill in literary terms given that which I understand to be a peculiar mix of traits?

It sounds like you might write anything that strikes your fancy, but it's unlikely you'll make a career of it without developing some self-discipline and immersing yourself to some degree in contemporary literature.
 

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Well, what do you want to do?

I'd like to write political science fiction in some capacity. But I feel like the committed writer's life doesn't really work for me overall. Yet there are always those times when I feel inspired to write and I use that. The only books I've actually finished have been novellas and novelettes.
 

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The mix of traits as it stands isn't a good one. For a career as a writer, you'll need to be consistent, you'll need to work hard and yes, I think you'll need to read a lot. Really, a lot.

Which is not to say anything negative about your writing abilities as they stand - it's just that innate writing ability is a starting point; it's not the whole game.

Welcome to AW, by the way. If you haven't yet, go and make a thread in the Newbies post, so people can get to know you :)
 

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I'd like to write political science fiction in some capacity. But I feel like the committed writer's life doesn't really work for me overall. Yet there are always those times when I feel inspired to write and I use that. The only books I've actually finished have been novellas and novelettes.

If you want to write prose, you'll need to read prose. Want to write novels? Read novels. Want to write short stories? Read short stories.

What do you mean by "committed writer's life"?

You can write and still pursue a different career and other interests. But you still have to commit to actually writing and *finishing* what you write.
 

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What do you mean by "committed writer's life"?

I mean that even if you have a career and other interests, you also have a kind of consistent writing routine which I have never been able to integrate into my own life. That's not to say that I can't.

Hmmmm. Perhaps a better question is, how do I go about transforming my habits into a functional routine in which I can develop, write, and revise a piece in its entirety to its very end?
 

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I'd like to write political science fiction in some capacity. But I feel like the committed writer's life doesn't really work for me overall. Yet there are always those times when I feel inspired to write and I use that. The only books I've actually finished have been novellas and novelettes.

There are a lot of ways to be a writer. Not everyone is cut out for or interested in a dedicated writing career (I'm not), and there's nothing wrong with that.

But regardless of what you want as a writer, reading more of the types of stories you want to write will benefit you. So will working on your writing. You don't need to commit yourself to any sort of career or lifestyle in order to give your ideas a try. Ultimately, you have to write to be a writer. In the meantime, think about why you like writing and what you hope to accomplish from it long-term. If you do want a career, it will probably help to work on writing more consistently.

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I mean that even if you have a career and other interests, you also have a kind of consistent writing routine which I have never been able to integrate into my own life. That's not to say that I can't.

Hmmmm. Perhaps a better question is, how do I go about transforming my habits into a functional routine in which I can develop, write, and revise a piece in its entirety to its very end?

Ah, okay, this makes more sense. I don't think everyone needs a consistent routine. Some people work very well if they have set hours every day that they use for writing, for example, but not everyone works like that. The key is figuring out what you need to be productive.

It might help if you do try setting aside some time just to write, even if you're not feeling extremely inspired, and try to keep going with it.

If you're having trouble finishing stuff, try to identify where it's going awry. What's keeping you from committing to a project you start? Once you see what's holding you back, I think it can be easier to work out a way to combat it. For example, I have a tough time when I feel like the story isn't going as smoothly as I like.
 
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What do you mean by "committed writer's life"?

Get to Starbucks early so you can take the spot where the most people will see you. Set up your portable typewriter, and scrunch up your face in pretend thought. Write little, pose much.

Go to a party after you're done and butt into conversations with sentences such as "So then my agent says, you don't even need a denouement."

When someone acknowledges you, hand them a poster of the vanity photo you took of yourself. You with your typewriter, near a waterfall, squinting into the distance. Say, "Who do I make this bad boy out to?"
 

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I was able to write ten thousand words in a day at one point. Second of all, my writing is intermittent and only briefly inspired. .

10,000 words in a day is no measure at all unless they're good words. And inspired is only useful if it doesn't require editing - and I think it might ...

Really
how do I go about transforming my habits into a functional routine in which I can develop, write, and revise a piece in its entirety to its very end?
that's a much better starting-point.

Can't help you a whole lot, though - except to say that I find 2 x 2hr blocks of writing (I edit as I go) is as much as I can do in a day sans deadline. With a deadline, I can do quite surprisingly more, because with a dealine I don't have to battle The Terrible Laziness.

Also: reading 4-6 hours in the evening is fun :) But it's probably only possible without a TV. Or else without sleep.
 
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I can hardly keep a writing schedule for longer than a few weeks at a time, and these periods of writing are quite far apart separated by vast periods of disinterest.

What I've been trying to figure out for quite some time is what might be my role as a writer.
Doesn't sound like you have a role as a writer. No reason why it can't change in the future if you develop more than a passing interest in writing, though.
 

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10,000 words in a day is no measure at all unless they're good words.

This.

I think it is pretty safe to say, that all of us here could fire out 10,000 words a day if we choose to. I choose to not do so, and craft something that is entertaining and coherent.
 

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Hmmmm. Perhaps a better question is, how do I go about transforming my habits into a functional routine in which I can develop, write, and revise a piece in its entirety to its very end?
Probably the same way you do for anything. You have to find something that works for you. You have to make yourself sit down and write. At some point you'll have to make yourself sit down and review what you've written critically and change it as needed. It's really the same as integrating exercise in your life or learning a musical instrument or a foreign language. It will require an active attempt on your part to do it and do it well.

And I agree with the others, reading should most definitely be a part of that.
 

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... You have to find something that works for you.

QFT.

It's important to develop a habit. Start small.

I'm wondering - how do you know you want to write political science fiction if you don't read (any) books?
 

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Anyone can write 10,000 words in a day. Very few can write quality, even if it's only 100 words.

If you don't read, you can't be a good writer. Eloquence is nice, but has very little to do with being able to tell a story well.

But what you ask isn't complicated. It's all a matter of choice, and only you can choose to do what you should do. You can choose to read, or choose not to read. You can choose to maintain a writing habit day in and day out, month in and month out, or you can choose not to do so.

Too much is made of how do I do this or that, what tricks are there, what's the secret?

There are no tricks and no secrets. You do or you don't, and whichever it is, you've made a choice.
 

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If you don't read a lot, you probably need to start with "The Tortoise and the Hare." A simple fable, but there is a point to it.

I will be honest and say that self-discipline is not easily come by. Assuming that you really want to write and publish, you're going to have to develop quite a bit of it. So.... Stop and think about training--let's say training a child or a dog to accomplish a task. Two things are involved. Repetition and reward. Not only do you break the task down into simple steps that can be reasonably managed, you reward the trainee for succeeding.

Now translate that into writing terms. Let's say you're not usually a disciplined writer, and you want to set a baby goal to help yourself get started. You might try an hour a day for five days a week. Or you might make it an hour-and-a-half for three days--Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You may try to write at the same time, or you may tell yourself, "I have to write for an hour before I can watch TV." The main point is that you set a manageable goal.

Now think about a realistic reward. Five hours this week, ten hours this week, and I'm going to....

Play golf.
Take myself out for ice cream.
Buy a new book I want.
Etc....

Don't be brutal to yourself if you slip off track, but don't give up, either. If you don't make your goal, pick yourself up and try again. Habits are formed by doing.

Best of luck! :)
 

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Why do you even want to write if you don't read? It's like someone saying 'I want to make a movie!' and they don't even watch movies. Or they say 'I want to make a rap album!' and they don't even listen to rap music.

Do you have a really great story or idea that's dying to crawl out of you? If so, then sit down and write it! While you're writing it, also research other books that sound similar to yours and read them, and read their reviews too! This way you'll know that you're not writing something that someone else has already done before, you'll know what's selling, you'll know what the readers seem to like and dislike.

The bottom line is, SIT DOWN AND WRITE. I have a word doc open 24/7 that I write in whenever I get a spark of inspiration. I have a tiny notebook and a pen in my purse for when I'm away from the computer. If you want to write, you need to actually want to do the writing part of it too.
 

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Two things are involved. Repetition and reward.

This is so true! I have this rule, every time I finish 25,000 words, (I usually give myself about two weeks to do this) I buy myself a present! It used to be 10,000 words but I had to bump the goal up, LOL also, I have SEVERAL projects so please don't think I'm writing a million word tome of epic misery!

But the reward thing really works! I mean I already feel great that I accomplished a word goal but then I have a little trophy to show for it too, like new gloves or a new necklace or a new expensive thing of nail polish. It's just nice! Everyone should try this!
 

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I mean that even if you have a career and other interests, you also have a kind of consistent writing routine which I have never been able to integrate into my own life. That's not to say that I can't.

Hmmmm. Perhaps a better question is, how do I go about transforming my habits into a functional routine in which I can develop, write, and revise a piece in its entirety to its very end?

There are any number of ways. Block out a certain number of hours each week devoted to writing. And just do it. That's the rubber hitting the road.

Or get yourself a contract and keep cranking till the book is done. That's what I'm doing.

Or find yourself some struggling magazine that needs copy on a regular basis and find a topic that you can contribute and do a column. I do that too. It's a freebie paper that you pick up at any number of locations. Each issue I write something about bicycles. 600-800 words. There's nothing like deadlines to give you a consistent writing habit. This issue I interviewed a fellow who commutes to work by bus and bike. Before that it was coverage of what it was like to participate in an organized 50 mile ride.

You could also blog or contribute to a website.
 

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Sounds to me like you're finding out that being a "writer" isn't just the ability to pound words onto a blank page and call it art. It's a lot of hard work. A lot of frustration. A lot of time. A lot of unwriting and rewriting words. A lot of suck.

Sounds like the same thing me saying I'd just kill it in the NFL. I mean, I tore up the last few games of touch football I played, easily the best player on the field. And my high school gym teacher said I had a real natural talent for it. Besides, I haven't met anyone who can run faster than I can.

And that don't mean squat. All that is nothing without the effort, time, education, and perseverance needed to make it happen. You're not going to make it in the NFL unless you're in the gym and the practice field every single day, and in the game tape room studying film for hours after that. Players who do make it in the NFL have sweat cauldrons upon cauldrons to get there. And the same goes for everything else.

You've got to put in the effort. Study your genres. Read, read, read. Write, write, write. And the more you do, the more you look back and realize that your earlier work was just plain shyte. It was a building block; it helped develop your writing and improve your skill, but it was all just practice.

People just don't say, "Geez, I know the difference between right and wrong. I have a good moral compass. Maybe I'll try my hand at laywering for a bit."

They can't just go, "Man, I've had a driver's license for years. Never had an accident. I should talk to Roger Penske and see if I can't pick up a ride at Indy."

That sounds harsh, I know. But it's the way things are. You don't have to quit your day job and attack it 24/7 - and in fact, don't - but you do have to put in the time and effort to get proper results.
 

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There's nothing wrong with just deciding one day that you want to write.

I did it, at least sort of; it was always something that interested me, something I was good at and wanted to do. And I dabbled at it here and there over the years. (I was always a huge, huge reader, though. As others have said, can't write well if you don't read. Reading is how we learn to write.)

But then I had a baby, and I stayed home to raise her. Which was when I realized I finally had time to write, the ability and freedom to actually do it. So I did.

And the funny thing is, I realized that I loved it. That I loved everything about it. I wanted to do it, because it was fun. Sure I dreamed of being published and blah blah blah, but very early on I knew I wanted to keep doing it just because I was enjoying writing more than I've enjoyed pretty much everything else I've ever done in my life. It wasn't a matter of having to force myself to do it, because I spent pretty much all day dreaming of when my daughter would go to sleep and I could get back to work.

Did I feel that way every single night? No. I took a few nights off here and there. or there were a few nights where I just didn't feel like making new words or didn't know what happened next, so I'd go back and re-read and edit instead. The point for me was that I did some work on the ms just about every night; at least nine out of ten nights.

I still feel just as passionately about it, though I admit as deadlines and pressure have set in I have more nights where I feel lazy and don't wanna. But I still do it. I make myself do it, and once the first couple of hundred words are down I get into it and the fun comes back, the passion comes back. It's harder now, because there is more pressure; I'm not just writing for fun anymore, not just for me. But it's still the thing I love to do more than almost anything else.

You're not published. You don't *have* to write every night. You don't have to force yourself to make words even when you don't want to. You definitely will have to if you want to really write, because that's what being a writer is. But you can work up to that; you don't have to force yourself to do 2k words a day (my usual word goal) right out of the gate. Let yourself ease into it. Try writing every other day, and give yourself, say, a 500-word goal. Don't let yourself take those days off, but don't make yourself do it every night and don't set really high goals at first (I think when I started my goal was something like 2 pages). Writing is a habit that builds, and if you work at it you'll find the habit gets easier, the word counts increase, the enjoyment grows.

It's not all-or-nothing. Personally I think writing every day is best. And I think if you're having a hard time motivating yourself that might be a good way to make it a habit. But only you know what's best for you, and if you don't feel ready to write every day or the idea scares you/turns you off then don't. You can write every day once you're comfortable writing every other day, and honestly, I think after a couple of weeks of making sure you write every other day, you'll either start wanting to do it every day or you'll realize you don't actually want to do it much at all.

But yeah...if you want to write you have to read. If you don't like books or have the patience to read one, why in the world would you want to write one? Why would you spend your time creating art you don't enjoy? And I don't mean to be harsh, I honestly don't, but this is a viewpoint I genuinely don't understand: why would you think you can write something of value when you don't understand what's valuable about books--why would you think you can create something original that other people would like to read when you don't know what's already been created and don't know what readers like, or what you like? Novels are a very complex art form. You need to understand them and the rules of them before you can write one. Natural talent is all well and good, but writing isn't just an art; it's a craft, too, one that requires study and hard work. And just like you can't pick up a paintbrush and create a painting good enough to hang in a gallery without any study, without looking at art, without understanding what's important about art, you can't sit down to a computer and create a novel (or any work of fiction, no matter the length) without studying the craft, reading novels (or other fiction), and understand what's important about them.

But again, there's nothing wrong with just deciding you want to write. We all have to start somewhere; each and every one of us decided one day we wanted to write, and started writing.

I hope that helps! And welcome to AW.
 
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