M/M - age-play publishers?

Eriador117 · Mar 6, 2012

I have an idea for an M/M age-play story between characters who are already a couple. But most publishers guidelines seem not to want anything like that at all. And now with paypal stamping down on self-publishing sites like smashwords et al, it seems no one would want to touch it with a barge pole. Am I just looking in the wrong places?

I know quite a few publishers do accept BDSM, but age-play seems not be out there so much.

Does anyone know of any publishers who might consider it?

Take care,
Annette

veinglory · Mar 6, 2012

Noble Romance

dangerousbill · Mar 6, 2012

Eriador117 said:
I know quite a few publishers do accept BDSM, but age-play seems not be out there so much.

Age-play is such a minor issue that I doubt that many publishers think of it one way or another. I have two novels, each with dominant women 19 and 22 years older than the male characters, and no one has yet considered it an issue, let alone a squick.

Only Total-E-Bound, that I'm aware of, breaks out 'Older Women-Younger Men' as a separate category, with strict guidelines. (Female pov, monogamous relationships, etc.)

veinglory · Mar 6, 2012

Age play is a huge issue as it is now on the Paypal forbidden list. (Age play typically means one person acts as if they are a minor). Most main stream romance-y epublishers will not touch it and a lot of distributors probably won't take it now either. But Noble is your best bet, IMHO. Although I don't know much about them other than that like edgy stuff, specifically including age play. Other than that the less romance-y epublishers like Sizzler might be worth a go.

Eriador117 · Mar 6, 2012

veinglory said:
.But Noble is your best bet, IMHO. Although I don't know much about them other than that like edgy stuff, specifically including age play. Other than that the less romance-y epublishers like Sizzler might be worth a go.

Thanks, I'll add them to the shortlist

Take care,
Annette

dangerousbill · Mar 7, 2012

veinglory said:
Age play is a huge issue as it is now on the Paypal forbidden list. (Age play typically means one person acts as if they are a minor).

Whoa! I've never seen it defined as such. Pardon me!

Eriador117 · Mar 7, 2012

dangerousbill said:
Whoa! I've never seen it defined as such. Pardon me!

I think there was a bit of a mix-up between age-play and age difference. Age play is indeed where one partner acts as if they were a minor, a big no-no for lots of publishers these days especially since the paypal crackdown.

Take care,
Annette

dangerousbill · Mar 7, 2012

Eriador117 said:
I think there was a bit of a mix-up between age-play and age difference. Age play is indeed where one partner acts as if they were a minor, a big no-no for lots of publishers these days especially since the paypal crackdown.

It would be a no-no for me under any circumstances...

The definition in the ultimate fount of Absolute Truth, Urban Dictionary, is even broader, and includes infantilism and any age difference at all.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=age+play
(But that's just the sole contributor's opinion.)

veinglory · Mar 7, 2012

In the context or erotic romance associated erotic is means one is pretend to be usually just under the age of consent--i.e. teen. But both are actually consenting adults. It is just a form of role-play.

Eriador117 · Mar 8, 2012

dangerousbill said:
It would be a no-no for me under any circumstances...

It's a kink/fetish like any other. Not everything is everyone's cup of tea

I don't like vampires and werewolves but they seem to be in a lot of books everywhere lately

Take care,
Annette

Serafine · Mar 22, 2013

Blushing Books is an e-book publisher that handles a lot of age-play stuff, though I've only seen m/f and f/f listed. Their #1 best seller for a solid month has been age-play based.

Ann_Mayburn · Mar 23, 2013

Is Noble still having issues with fucking over their authors? http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113356&page=9

Fallen · Mar 23, 2013

Ann_Mayburn said:
Is Noble still having issues with fucking over their authors? http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113356&page=9

Oh... my... lord.

Filigree · Mar 23, 2013

This was what I was wondering, too. At this point, I personally would not consider Noble for anything. Same with Silver - there's just too much risk.

Satori1977 · Mar 23, 2013

Now age-play is not my kink, but why is it such a big no-no if all parties involved are over the age of consent? I really think some of these rules are too strict. Do they think it condones or encourages pedophilia?

And from what I have heard about Noble (realize I have no experience with them), I would stay away.

Filigree · Mar 23, 2013

I suspect it's for the same reason that many erotic romance publishers don't want any hint of rape-as-titillation, or even dubious consent. They've spent a lot of time trying to elevate their image, and they don't want to be open to lawsuits about pornography. As long as the action remains obviously between consenting adults and leads to positive relationships, that's fine. Remove one or more of those variables, and the story seems to go into dangerous territory for most erotic romance editors - and readers.

I notice that the erotica market is much more open to explorations. So is fanfic. I just finished reading a 110K Avengers fanfic, written by someone very experienced at BDSM, which used ageplay in vivid and positive context.

Satori1977 · Mar 24, 2013

Hmm, ok. I kind of get it, but don't. Rape (or dubious content) is illegal. A crime. Just like incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc. So I can see why those topics are off limit in erotica. Age play is not.

But again, not my kink, so I wouldn't be reading it anyway.

Eriador117 · Mar 24, 2013

Satori1977 said:
Hmm, ok. I kind of get it, but don't. Rape (or dubious content) is illegal. A crime. Just like incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc. So I can see why those topics are off limit in erotica. Age play is not.

But again, not my kink, so I wouldn't be reading it anyway.

Thanks everyone. I think I'll stick to fanfic if I write any more ageplay, at least there you can have lots of warnings so people who don't like it won't have to read it, and those who do like it use the warnings as tags to read things they enjoy

Satori1977 · Mar 24, 2013

Eriador, sorry if I offended you by saying I wouldn't read it. I just meant that even though it wasn't my kink, I didn't understand why it shouldn't be published.

A lot of erotica actually does have warning labels (warning: several menages and some f/f action, or contains light spanking and bondage).

When it comes to erotic pieces, everyone has their kinks. I can read a pretty hard S&M scene, but if someone pees on another person, I will close that book and never open it again, lol.

I don't think you should give up trying to get it pubbed. Research erotica/erotic romance publishers (sorry, don't know if your book is romance or not), ones that cater to m/m, and see what, if anything, they say about ageplay. Every one I have looked into, will have their no-no's listed on the submission page.

Good luck.

Eriador117 · Mar 24, 2013

Satori1977 said:
Eriador, sorry if I offended you by saying I wouldn't read it.

Good luck.

Oh, no offence taken

I know everybody likes different things. Where would we all be if we all liked reading/writing the same stuff, LOL?

nkkingston · Mar 24, 2013

I'm fairly certain Forbidden Fiction take age-play. They're generally quite happy to take kinks erotic romance publishers aren't keen on.

thethinker42 · Mar 25, 2013

Ann_Mayburn said:
Is Noble still having issues with fucking over their authors? http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113356&page=9

It's not getting any better. Regardless of what kinks they will/won't accept, I would very strongly recommend against submitting to them as long as these things are going on.

gingerwoman · Mar 28, 2013

Carol Lynne does seem to have a Total Ebound book that is M/M BDSM and age play but it doesn't focus on that in the blurb I have not read it and only know about the age play from reading the reviews.

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