Am I wrong? [edit requests prior to acceptance]

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The Lonely One

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So I was in contact with this journal about a short story. One of the editors contacted me, telling me it was well-received, that he liked it, and that they needed to "see some revisions" prior to acceptance. I agreed. The editor then wrote me back that "never mind, we don't need edits. It's good as-is." Less than an hour later I get an email from the head editor that the piece was rejected.

I am a little pissed.

I've never been asked to work on a piece by an editor prior to acceptance, or without a very strong possibility of acceptance (meaning it only wouldn't be published if my edits didn't meet their expectations).

I wrote back to the editor. I never write back to editors.

I told the head editor I was confused, to say the least. I feel jerked around. Writers aren't slave laborers. If I am willing to dedicate time revising a piece for a specific journal's request, that journal better damn well be interested in publishing me, so long as I meet the expectations of that request.

I think a followup email was called for, and it wasn't rude but just inquisitive as to their process. I don't know, maybe this is commonplace? I've just never been approached in such a roundabout, confusing way before by editors. I would have preferred a "no thank you" and no other contact.

I think my primary frustration was not that it was rejected, but that a.)why offer edits if they won't fix the piece enough to fit your journal? and b.)why then rescind those edits saying that it is perfectly fine if you don't have the intention of publishing it?

Like I said, it was mostly like I felt jerked around and mislead about my chances.
 
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It sounds like the editor who was trying to accept you got vetoed by his/her superior. It happens, and if you're going to email back, it's better that you aimed it at the editor who actually did the rejecting.

It's not wrong to ask why this happened, but it may not get you anything positive. The best you can hope for is that journal's editors communicate with each other a little better and never do this to another writer. I doubt it will wind up having helped you.
 

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They're either flaky or inexperienced or both. Confronting them about it won't do you any good, and it won't make them get better at what they do.

Very frustrating, though. I feel your pain.
 

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Don't take it personally. Sometimes, it's a matter of the piece not fitting in length, theme, or the overall aesthetic. Sometimes it is last minute. Another piece that was better suited to any of the above mentioned might have come in, there might have been a change of "the guard" and you simply didn't impress the new powers-that-be.

Having worked for a lit mag and been on the typesetting end, I have had editors accept or reject pieces based on length alone (for example). It's shitty, but if the editor was interested enough to ask for edits, then they were probably impressed. As an editor, I never (EVER) asked for edits from an author unless I thought the story had a lot of potential. Most of the time, for short stories, it's not worth it to go back and forth with a writer because you just can't guarantee that even after revising, the piece will be accepted.

Just my take. Not sure what happened, but it sucks. At the very least, it was a "warm rejection" and may find a more suitable home elsewhere. Were I the editor in that situation, I would have given a reason why it was rejected at the last minute. Nobody likes to be jerked around, but, in the end, no lit-mag has to publish someone's work. They can ask for a dozen revisions and decide, in the end, to drop it. Sometimes the reasons are technical (like length/typesetting stuff), sometimes, it just doesn't "fit" for whatever reason.

Keep at it. It sounds like it's close. :)
 

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That definitely sounds weird, but I think I agree with the assumption that someone got vetoed higher up the chain. Either that, or they mixed your submission up with someone else's, which can happen.
 

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Thanks, everyone for the replies. A little more info: the editors are student editors. The decision, while coming from the head editor's e-mail box, is not made by him. He replied saying he would check with the editors to see if there was a miscommunication. Which I find doubtful, but at least there might be a little bit of clarification on the decision.
 

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Yeah, I think this is an example of unprofessional behaviour. The first editor may have jumped the gun in telling you it was accepted when it wasn't (maybe they should have said 'it is being passed onto a second round' or similar rather than implying it was accepted) and another editor may have been unprofessional in rejecting it when you had already been told it was in... either way there has been a bit of an issue with their communication.

Most markets I have submitted to don't make any contact with you regarding acceptance or not until they are ready to send you a contract (so in many cases your work gets passed through stages of the process in complete silence and you only know the outcome at the very end). If they do communicate with you it is usually non committal.

The exception to the above was Mac for the AW antho who was very good about communicating your passage through the system but not making any promises or implying acceptence (she said she loved one of my stories but made it clear that acceptance was dependent on space in the final volume). Some publishers now also use an online system which notifies you automatically of passage through the different rounds of review.
 

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On the maybe-positive side - were the suggested edits good ideas? Will you at least be coming out of this mess with an improved MS? That'd be something...
 

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It's too bad they couldn't hold the piece for the next issue after putting you through all that. What would really bother me is not knowing if the edited version was better or worse than the original? I'd send that place a fruitcake for Christmas.
 

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I don't think a polite follow-up was out of order in this case, given the contradictory series of emails. It sounds like you've gotten a reasonable response from the head editor.

Many odd editorial responses you just have to shrug off. Like the Rum-Tum-Tugger, editors will do as they do do, and there's nothing anyone can do...a-bow-wout...a-bow-wow-wout....a-bow-wow-wow-woooooooooout...ABOUT IT!
 

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Thanks, everyone for the replies. A little more info: the editors are student editors. The decision, while coming from the head editor's e-mail box, is not made by him. He replied saying he would check with the editors to see if there was a miscommunication. Which I find doubtful, but at least there might be a little bit of clarification on the decision.

It could have been a miscommunication. Student editors being a whole new variable into the mix. :) i've seen some very poorly run magazines where student editors were highly unorganized. I've seen some good ones too.

At least he's willing to look into it. I think that's a good thing. Keep us updated!
 

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It's too bad they couldn't hold the piece for the next issue after putting you through all that. What would really bother me is not knowing if the edited version was better or worse than the original? I'd send that place a fruitcake for Christmas.

This was something I was wondering as well.
 

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On the maybe-positive side - were the suggested edits good ideas? Will you at least be coming out of this mess with an improved MS? That'd be something...

Unfortunately, the editor I was speaking with had apparently made some detailed editorial notes, then rescinded them stating it was "good as-is." Both those two communications seemed like acceptance, as I didn't think a zine would waste its time or mine by communicating the need for edits on a piece it wasn't interested in.

In all honesty, this magazine has been a bit unethical from the beginning. It started out as a college zine where student editors featured their own work in space that should have been filled with new authors (not to mention all the other ethical implications of this, none of which are good).

I guess I should have expected this. The only reason I submit here is because I'm an alum and I like to support the English department. But honestly, I'm not sure I'll submit next year after this. They've just kind of turned me off.
 

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I don't know. I think it would never be wrong to err on the side of editorial miscommunication- if indeed there was a mix-up, your reply very well could have done the deal in. Publishing's such a small world, so even with small publications and student editors, writers really should take care to remain professional and diplomatic.
 

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I don't know. I think it would never be wrong to err on the side of editorial miscommunication- if indeed there was a mix-up, your reply very well could have done the deal in. Publishing's such a small world, so even with small publications and student editors, writers really should take care to remain professional and diplomatic.

On the other hand, they might not have even looked into it if I hadn't mentioned anything. Like I said, I'd already received a rejection. I doubt there would have been any more communication beyond that if not for me bringing it up.

Also, you're right about being professional. I definitely approached this professionally with both editors, was cordial and understanding. Used professional yet personable language stripped of emotional content. I'm always careful not to burn bridges and not to jump to conclusions. I'm giving them the opportunity to explain, not demanding anything. Just simple inquiry. If that gets me blackballed then they weren't a bunch worth working with in the first place, IMO.
 

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I know someone who was agented and dealing with a major publishing house. The editor was interested asked for some revisions. She did the revisions and then the book was rejected within 2 hours of the revised copy being emailed to her agent.

Stuff happens. Until the contract is signed there are no guarantees. Any request before contract is a revise and resubmit request, not a promise of an acceptance.
 

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I know someone who was agented and dealing with a major publishing house. The editor was interested asked for some revisions. She did the revisions and then the book was rejected within 2 hours of the revised copy being emailed to her agent.

Stuff happens. Until the contract is signed there are no guarantees. Any request before contract is a revise and resubmit request, not a promise of an acceptance.

It is in novel submissions... but shorts(IME) are usually accepted, contracts signed (including a clause that the writer may have to make edits on the request of the editors) and then edits sent out. This is unusual for this...
 

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The head editor got back to me. Still a rejection, but he admitted it seemed odd even to him, and that he can only remember one or two times he's ever been asked for edits prior to acceptance. It's alright, I'm over it at this point. Back to duotrope.
 
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