Mars and Venus - to the gender bending aspiring authors

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Here’s a cool fact about Homo sapiens: Any two individuals share about 99% of their DNA.

That’s right—the only difference between you and Chuck Norris, or Martin Luther King Jr., or the Queen of England is a paltry 1% of your 2.9 billion base pair genome.

That remaining 1% is all we can observe with the naked eye. That remaining 1% will mean the difference between light skin or dark, heavy weight or light, tall or short, and depending on who you ask, it may even determine some of your mental faculties. Some would say it is the most important 1% of your genome, but those people don’t realise what messing with foetal developmental genes can do.

So, after spending a couple hours reading the Erotica forum, I wanted to share this tidbit with all of you gender bending aspiring authors:

Before you wonder if your depiction of the opposite sex is accurate or believable, remember that men and women have far more in common than you think.

Shattering your reader's suspension of disbelief cannot be attributed to your shortcomings as a "man" (if writing a woman) or a "woman" (if writing a man), but must be attributed to your shortcomings as a writer.

If you were to blend a man and a woman into a big molecular soup, you’d only find one substantial difference between the two stews: The ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Men and women have both hormones, just in different levels.

You’d both have comparable immune systems*, you’d both have the same enzymes unless one of you was lactose intolerant, and you’d both have comparable levels of every other hormone in your body.

Once again: At the molecular level—the only unchangeable facet of your body—the only thing separating men and women is a ratio.

So stop with the “men are from Mars women are from Venus” slop. At the end of the day, we’re all human, and we’re all capable of experiencing the same range of emotion, regardless of the plumbing between our legs. The vast majority of the genome which makes reading Erotica even possible sits on 22 gender nonspecific chromosomes.

Many of the perceived differences between the sexes are learned behaviours, and not a result of your genetics. Take slut shaming for example:

Slut can mean a lot of things. If you see a woman who enjoys her sex and likes hitting on men, you probably think she’s a slut. Yet if you see a man who enjoys his sex and likes hitting on women, you just think he’s a man.

Why?

Short answer: It’s what you were taught.

Women have an entire portion of their anatomy dedicated to pleasure. Unlike men, they get a cluster of nerves at the clitoris which exists for no reason other than to induce orgasm. So why on earth would a woman ever feel shame for feeling something her body has evolved to feel? It's because there are some people in positions of power that feel threatened. The only way they feel they can secure their place is by putting other people down—and shaming an entire sex for their biology cuts the potential competition in half.

There is no scientific basis for this shame. This difference in behavioural coding is strictly societal.

Slut shaming is just scratching the surface. But any behavioural difference attributed to one’s sex and not one’s upbringing or personality or other gender irrelevant genetic factors does not address the fact that men and women both possess equal capacity to experience the range of human emotion.

And at the end of the day, that’s all we’re eliciting when we write, isn’t it?

-From your local frustrated pangender male, who is comfortable admitting he cries at Romantic Tragedies more than his female friends.



*Semantics—but the selling point of the mammalian immune system is its utter originality. The likelihood that two individuals exist on this planet with identical immune systems is phenomenally low. Nonetheless, one’s sex does not affect the coding of said immune system, and that’s what I’m getting at.
 

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Here’s a cool fact about Homo sapiens: Any two individuals share about 99% of their DNA.

It's also true that two people can be more different in their DNA than either of them are different from a chimpanzee...
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There is no scientific basis for this shame. This difference in behavioural coding is strictly societal.

Anyone watching the religious right and Republican party in the US can see this process at work firsthand. Much of the platforms of both involves controlling and limiting women's behavior.
 

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So, after spending a couple hours reading the Erotica forum, I wanted to share this tidbit with all of you gender bending aspiring authors:

I can't say I've noticed all that much "men are from Mars; women are from Venus" around these parts.
 

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It depends on what you could as "the same"--the high estimates count a gene basically doing the same thing as the same. In terms of actual sequential nucleotides--the percentage would be way lower.

That said, I think the whole Mars/Venus things is bollocks.
 
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I can't say I've noticed all that much "men are from Mars; women are from Venus" around these parts.

The mentality pops up every time someone makes an inquiry into the romantic preferences of the opposite sex--like we're all homogenous or something.

Also any time someone posts a generalisation of either men or women I start frothing at the mouth.
 

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There are certainly examples of both genders who I wish I had less in common with, though... Imagine your least favorite political, religious, or pop-culture figure; barring 1% of your molecular makeup, you're the same?

I do wish more separated me from Paris Hilton or any Kardashian.

The point's well-taken, though. Maybe as writers, women will stop assigning their male characters masculing traits and trades like square jaws and jobs like 'mechanic' or 'firefighter' (though they're hot), and men will stop writing all women as buxom, long-haired strippers and whores (also hot).
 

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Many of the perceived differences between the sexes are learned behaviours, and not a result of your genetics. Take slut shaming for example:

Slut can mean a lot of things. If you see a woman who enjoys her sex and likes hitting on men, you probably think she’s a slut. Yet if you see a man who enjoys his sex and likes hitting on women, you just think he’s a man.

Why?

Short answer: It’s what you were taught.

I don't disagree entirely, although it did feel a lot like mansplaining to me (and, yeah, I didn't need you to identify yourself as male - it came through pretty clearly).

But you seem to be really minimizing the role that socialization has on our psyches. Our natures may not be that different (although as someone upthread alluded to, I've heard the 99% statistic as what we have in common with chimpanzees, which means that 1% is a pretty damn important 1%), but our nurturing is absolutely different.

If I could tell you were male after reading a few paragraphs of your writing (and as I said, I absolutely could), then I think we have to accept that there have been some gender-based differences worked into our behaviour from somewhere.

I think the Mars/Venus thing is total bullshit, a gross oversimplification of a complex issue. But that doesn't mean that we should oversimplify in the opposite direction and say that men and women are psychologically identical. Of course there's a wide range of behaviours and attitudes in both groups, and there's lots of overlap and lots of outliers (is it possible to have "lots" of outliers?). But as you acknowledge, there's powerful socialization at work.

How does a female reader, who lives in a society where slut-shaming is commonplace, react to sexuality in a novel, compared to the way a male reader, who has been taught to measure his worth as a man based on the frequency with which he has sex, especially with multiple partners, react to the same expression of sexuality? Yeah, there are readers from both groups who've managed to overcome their socialization and find happy, healthy, individually appropriate expressions of their sexuality, but as as a group... the socialization is different, so the attitudes are likely to be different.

Over-generalizations are bad, but generalizations - they have their uses.

(Note: I'm talking about readers. Generalizing about characters sucks. We should know our characters well enough to pull them out of the masses and recognize how they've reacted to the biological and social influences on their behaviour. But when we're talking about readers, we're looking at generalities. It's helpful, from a marketing perspective, to know what these generalities are).
 

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I'm having difficulty reconciling your well reasoned argument with a phrase like "mansplaining," a hurtful and frankly crude thing to call a pangendered individual. You might have better luck delivering your point without resorting to crass name calling.

My post was not directed at women--unless you are writing a POV man, nor was it directed at men--unless you are writing a POV woman. It was directed at writers.

I do not propose that men and women are psychologically identical. I proposed that the differences are not a result of our genetic sexes--but of socialization, as you call it. I cited slut shaming as an example of identical sexual behaviour across the sexes (men and women both like sex, alert the media) that's only perceived as different--and if writers were more invested in the mutual capacity for emotional response, they would not worry about writing POV characters of the opposite sex.
 

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I'm having difficulty reconciling your well reasoned argument with a phrase like "mansplaining," a hurtful and frankly crude thing to call a pangendered individual. You might have better luck delivering your point without resorting to crass name calling.

My post was not directed at women--unless you are writing a POV man, nor was it directed at men--unless you are writing a POV woman. It was directed at writers.

I do not propose that men and women are psychologically identical. I proposed that the differences are not a result of our genetic sexes--but of socialization, as you call it. I cited slut shaming as an example of identical sexual behaviour across the sexes (men and women both like sex, alert the media) that's only perceived as different--and if writers were more invested in the mutual capacity for emotional response, they would not worry about writing POV characters of the opposite sex.

Given that your entire thesis was, essentially, denying the impact of gender, I'm not sure how to reconcile your post with your pangender identification. Regardless, 'mansplaining' refers to the action, not to you. I didn't call you anything.

But thanks for coming by and resolving the nature/nurture debate once and for all. That clears a lot up.
 

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The point's well-taken, though. Maybe as writers, women will stop assigning their male characters masculing traits and trades like square jaws and jobs like 'mechanic' or 'firefighter' (though they're hot), and men will stop writing all women as buxom, long-haired strippers and whores (also hot).

There's certainly nothing wrong with either of those tendencies. They go hand-in-hand with existing evolutionary imperatives--in other words, they're easy to like because you don't have to rationalise their absence (i.e. a smaller man's might or skinnier woman's fertility might be called in to question, even if recent medical advances or societal structures invalidate those concerns).

But the key thing is that our sex does not limit our ability to write these stereotypes, whether or not we choose to incorporate them. If you have an idea that requires you to jump in to the opposite POV, I say go hard! :D