Am I disadvantaged?

J40ADF

Registered
Joined
Feb 8, 2012
Messages
29
Reaction score
1
Whilst browsing through this forum I formed the impression that there seem to be many more female writers of erotic fiction than male writers.
I imagine the market for erotic literature is also mainly dominated by women.
Would this disadvantage me as a male writer? If I want to become serious should I consider a different name to publish under?

Hmm, just random thoughts. What do you guys think?
 

Captcha

Banned
Joined
Jan 27, 2010
Messages
4,456
Reaction score
637
I don't think it's a disadvantage, on its face. I mean, I don't think that most women would be reluctant to buy erotica written by a male author. In some cases, it could be a marketing advantage (m/m, for example).

And I would absolutely advise against writing under a female pen name. If you want to go neutral (using an initial or something), that might work, but there has been kerfuffle in the past where readers felt deceived by someone switching gender, and it wasn't pretty.

But I do think it's important that you've recognized that the market is mostly female. There are definitely exceptions, and at least on publisher (Ellora's Cave) has got a line they're trying to aim at the male audience, but in general, you're probably writing for women. So if there's any disadvantage for you, it may be that you're writing for a group that you may not fully understand. I don't mean that no man understands any woman, or that no man understands women as a mass audience. But in my experience on this very board, there are a significant number of men who seem to consider women as some sort of alien species, unknowable and unexplainable. If you're one of those men, yeah, I think you're at a disadvantage, unless you can find your way into the niche erotica-for-men market.

So to some extent, your question is unanswerable. Can you write erotica that a significant number of women will want to read? If you can, I think you'll be fine.
 

DiloKeith

Doesn't scare easily
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 27, 2010
Messages
622
Reaction score
111
Website
dilokeith.wordpress.com
^ Good advice overall, and especially this:

...Can you write erotica that a significant number of women will want to read? If you can, I think you'll be fine.

One thing I've been dealing with is the difference between romance and erotica. I'm female, but my primary influence and preference is gay male erotica written for men (not m/m romance). In contrast, the markets are generally for erotic romance, with predominantly female audiences. Publishers keep asking me to add emotion to stories they otherwise like. Most of the erotica market seems to be heterosexual, and I don't currently write that. I'd probably have the some of the same problem there.
 

J40ADF

Registered
Joined
Feb 8, 2012
Messages
29
Reaction score
1
I'm currently writing for my wife. I'd need to post some examples but you would probably class it as erotica.
 

Anjasa

Fantasy Smut? Yes please!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 19, 2011
Messages
421
Reaction score
19
Location
NL, Canada
My definition of romance vs. erotica is fuzzy at best.
 

dangerousbill

Retired Illuminatus
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 22, 2010
Messages
4,810
Reaction score
414
Location
The sovereign state of Baja Arizona
Would this disadvantage me as a male writer? If I want to become serious should I consider a different name to publish under?

I've often thought that women are sometimes creeped out by erotica written by men and feel more comfortable if they know (or think) a woman has written it. Some erotica publishers insist that an author prove she is really female before accepting. (I'm not sure what form of proof they demand.)

(By 'women', I mean the general population of female readers, and not just writers of erotica.)

Again speaking generally, I also think that women tend to be more successful erotica writers because they are more focused on the emotional elements of an story, while men tend to describe explicit physical details. Frankly, once you've seen one monstrous meatpole rammed into a soggy love tunnel, you've seen them all. Tab A, slot B and all that.

I hasten to reiterate that this is a generalization only. In my own writing, I try to combine very explicit encounters with detailed exploration of emotional elements.

Both of my readers seem to like it.
 

VoireyLinger

Angel Wing Fetish
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 10, 2010
Messages
1,595
Reaction score
128
Location
Southern US
Website
www.voireylinger.com
My definition of romance vs. erotica is fuzzy at best.

My working definition:

Romance -- story of a growing relationship that ends with a happily ever after.

Erotica -- one character sexual journey

Erotic romance -- story of a growing sexual relationship that ends with a happy for now or happily ever after.

And for the gender thing... Erotic romance has grown a healthy crop of female erotica writers, but there are still many men in the genre. I think numbers of men who are coming out and writing as men is growing.
 

veinglory

volitare nequeo
Self-Ban
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
28,750
Reaction score
2,937
Location
right here
Website
www.veinglory.com
No. Erotic romance has a big presence online. Of course men can and do write romance, but also look at what is selling on Amazon kindle. It seems plenty of people are writing stuff like 'spank the naughty librarian' and 'slutty schoolgirls go anal'. They just don't hang out on open forums chatting about it all that much.
 

Anjasa

Fantasy Smut? Yes please!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 19, 2011
Messages
421
Reaction score
19
Location
NL, Canada
My working definition:

Romance -- story of a growing relationship that ends with a happily ever after.

Erotica -- one character sexual journey

Erotic romance -- story of a growing sexual relationship that ends with a happy for now or happily ever after.

Yea, that's pretty much my idea, but many of my stories have romantic elements without the happily ever afters, but it's so much more than just erotica. I guess erotic fiction?
 

tedi.s

Demigods, wolves, & Vamps... Oh my!
Registered
Joined
Jun 18, 2011
Messages
1,447
Reaction score
201
Location
Sitting on the Gulf Of Mexico
I don't think it's a disadvantage, on its face. I mean, I don't think that most women would be reluctant to buy erotica written by a male author. In some cases, it could be a marketing advantage (m/m, for example).

And I would absolutely advise against writing under a female pen name. If you want to go neutral (using an initial or something), that might work, but there has been kerfuffle in the past where readers felt deceived by someone switching gender, and it wasn't pretty.

But I do think it's important that you've recognized that the market is mostly female. There are definitely exceptions, and at least on publisher (Ellora's Cave) has got a line they're trying to aim at the male audience, but in general, you're probably writing for women. So if there's any disadvantage for you, it may be that you're writing for a group that you may not fully understand. I don't mean that no man understands any woman, or that no man understands women as a mass audience. But in my experience on this very board, there are a significant number of men who seem to consider women as some sort of alien species, unknowable and unexplainable. If you're one of those men, yeah, I think you're at a disadvantage, unless you can find your way into the niche erotica-for-men market.

So to some extent, your question is unanswerable. Can you write erotica that a significant number of women will want to read? If you can, I think you'll be fine.


Listen to her! She is amazing! AMAZING!!!!


*Sorry I read Shying Away and now I just want to be you!

Tedi, probably not helpful

PS. If you can write, and write in my genre, I honestly don't care if you are male or female, I will buy your work. I just want a good writer, who can express thoughts clearly on paper.
 

Ann_Mayburn

Smutty McTitters
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Oct 24, 2010
Messages
992
Reaction score
161
Location
Mountains of WV
Website
www.annmayburn.com
Brindle Chase, who haunts these forums from time to time, is an openly male(snork) erotica writer. Though he does have some really pretty hair...mmmmm long hair on a guy....
 

Brindle Chase

Dancing on the edge
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 5, 2008
Messages
1,255
Reaction score
189
Location
Pacific Northwest
Website
www.forlorn-hope.net
It is a disadvantage. But don't let that stop you. I chose a gender neutral name, but I am openly male as Ann says. *lol* ... snork????

It would be a grave error of judgment to pretend to be female. You need to earn their trust, and any deception, particularly your gender, will be a heinous affront... The readers will treat you differently but for the most part, they are not brutal. I get more questions from fans about my ummmm... unit size or marital status, than I do about my books. I have dozens of fans who have never read any of my books... its quite unique and something I was not quite prepared to deal with. I knew there would be some "men can't write romance", ... and I get some of that, especially from my F/F ventures, but its few and far between these days. Prepare for a little of that out of the gate. Erotica fans are more forgiving when it comes to male authors.

But its fun *lol* ... I figure I'm still in the infant stages of my writing career and have a long ways to go before the general audiences of erotic romance will trust me. All dues I expected and planned to pay all along.

The first reactions I get to the discovery that I'm male is disbelief, particularly that I can write convincingly from the female POV. Then, they automatically assume I must be gay. When they discover I'm straight, they really aren't sure how to deal with me. I'm sort of a novelty... and until I've proven myself as not a fluke, they continue to treat me as such. But its all good. Female authors have their hurdles too. I imagine female authors in sci-fi get similar.
 

Ann_Mayburn

Smutty McTitters
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Oct 24, 2010
Messages
992
Reaction score
161
Location
Mountains of WV
Website
www.annmayburn.com
Try writing an erotic sci-fi romance with a little dude on dude action in addition to dude on chick. Then try and tell people that it honestly, like seriously for real has a plot to it. I pinky swear. ;)
 

VoireyLinger

Angel Wing Fetish
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 10, 2010
Messages
1,595
Reaction score
128
Location
Southern US
Website
www.voireylinger.com
Try writing an erotic sci-fi romance with a little dude on dude action in addition to dude on chick. Then try and tell people that it honestly, like seriously for real has a plot to it. I pinky swear. ;)

Ha! I got a reader review once that said she was surprised to find the book had a story. Go figure... a book with a plot.
 

WriterDude

Writer?
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 11, 2012
Messages
4,177
Reaction score
230
Location
The North West
Ha! I got a reader review once that said she was surprised to find the book had a story. Go figure... a book with a plot.

That's quite encouraging from a wannabe writer point of view. I have lots of stories I need to tell, but if a sizable portion of buyers don't care...

No. Erotic romance has a big presence online. Of course men can and do write romance, but also look at what is selling on Amazon kindle. It seems plenty of people are writing stuff like 'spank the naughty librarian' and 'slutty schoolgirls go anal'. They just don't hang out on open forums chatting about it all that much.

'slutty schoolgirls go anal' now thats my bag ;-)
 

allenparker

Naked Futon Guy
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 14, 2005
Messages
1,262
Reaction score
234
Age
66
Location
Virginia
Website
www.allenparker.net
It has been my experience that guys are not at a disadvantage. In today's world of internet, texting, etc, publishers are more interested in the bottom line than the gender of their authors. Guys have always written in erotica and romance. It is more open, now.

The secret is to focus on the story, give the characters the ability to live, and make the sex touch all of the senses.

Although a love story is not important, the interaction between the characters is. To survive in this world, you have to involve the feminine side of your brain.