Framing text and "e-mails"

amyashley

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E-mail is in quotations because I don't refer to them as that. :)


I'm working on a dystopian book set in the near future which has a great deal of communication occurring through digitally rendered dialogue. I'd really appreciate some suggestions on the most grammatically appropriate ways to frame this as well as what is most readable.

For instance, writing:

His display read, "You can't do that, Jane."

{How does that work? His display didn't read, but it sounds right.}

OR

I saw the words on his display: You can't do that Jane.

{This also sounds okay, but it looks less like dialogue.}

OR

He typed, "You can't do that, Jane"

{O.O}

Help!

I am not sure if I need to put these things in quotes or not! There is a HUGE amount of communication that occurs in this manner, and I'd like to set it apart from speech, which is a rare occurrence.

Also, I am curious about how to place a missive like an e-mail in my novel. Most of them are small. I can't find this in my references. I guess this would be a note of a sort?

Really appreciate any and all assistance. I am willing to do some odd things, but I don't want to break any major grammatical rules if I can avoid it. I'm already creating a new language which is difficult enough.
 

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At this stage consistency is the key for your text messages. When it reaches a publisher, they'll adapt it to their house style (everyone's different).

Some like italics:

You can't do that, he typed.
His phone hummed a few seconds later. Asshole.
Yeah, I meant to add that too -- asshole.

Viewing it as unspoken dialogue, more like 'thought'

As for large pieces of e-mail... maybe indent the message more than you would your paragraphs. Some publishers have spaces between text like that, some don't, which is why you just need to be consistent with how you present it so the editor knows what they're dealing with.

Other people will have different ways, no doubt :)

And you're creating your own language?
 
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What do people call the display screen of whatever device is involved? PC's have monitors; although they are frequently called screens or other things. For some reason describing what is on a monitor always seems a little awkward. Go with what ever makes the most sense to you. I think that you should show the actual words on the monitor in quotation marks, but for the rest do what feels best.
 

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I think I am going to use guillemets to define the text. I will probably use italics elsewhere, and I hate to get that mixed up. The guillemets will be easy to find and replace.

I also think "showed" will be easy to use as a generic verb, you know, to replace "said". I don;t know why this didn't occur to me earlier.

Wait. I do know. NOT ENOUGH COFFEE.

Yes, I am creating my own language, or most of one, but it's based on English. I guess you would say I am creating new slang, but there is a lot of it.

The monitors are called dsplys or dsply. Can't really say, "he dsplyd" because that is turning a noun into a verb. My husband and I talked about that last night. It also eliminates my using the verb display as well.

The language/slang is abbreviated, so that makes it more difficult, and I want to make it as readable as possible. So far it's going okay. :)

Thanks to both of you! Fallen, the examples you gave were helpful.

Snick, I think I will use a double tab for the e-mail notes. That will set them apart from the rest of the text more.
 

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The monitors are called dsplys or dsply. Can't really say, "he dsplyd" because that is turning a noun into a verb. My husband and I talked about that last night. It also eliminates my using the verb display as well.

Lol. English 'slang' is renown for verbalising nouns: googgle: I googled you: U-tube (stop U-tubing me). Vice-versa for nouns into verbs: evaporates (evaporation).

I'd just be cautious with just how much. It would be good to have it beta'd to see how it sits in a reader's view. But you know that, right :D
 

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Trying to use it in small amounts.

I will definitely beta.

I'm going to have to write parts with more narration than a standard modern novel. If I did all the "dialogue" as it was taking place in the slang that was being used, the reader wouldn't understand it, and if I use English, it makes the entire novel fall apart because it is based on speech, text, and why they are doing all of this.

So far, it's working I think.

I really appreciate the advice.
 

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mono-spaced font

Try using a mono-spaced font for what is on the screen:

Bob read the message on his screen: You can't do that.

He muttered as he typed, "Yea, well, just watch me wench!"

Fine! Just don't call me to bail you out.
 

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Now the real trick is rendering the Tunga emoticons.

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:cry: Xelebes, I didn't think of that! How will I ever manage it?

*growls*

Must get creative. Perhaps some stacking?
 

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I'm very interested in this discussion, as I want to differentiate dialog signed in ASL and SEE from spoken words.

As you discovered, Amy, He signed substituted for she said works for the most part.

Rather than quote the words signed, I've used italics, but as has been pointed out, italics are also used for titles, emphasis, thoughts, foreign words, etc.

The French <<guillemets>> look promising. I'm reluctant to use a non-standard mark, but then we're depicting non-standard communications.
 

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Chase, I think I would have remembered he signed earlier in the day today if I'd had more coffee before posting. Using showed is working very well. It should be seamless for the reader after a few chapters just as a book with ASL is.

I'm sure any publisher who takes the MS will have their own ideas about the guillemets, but at this point it's the best solution I can find. They're valid, as near as I can tell, and I do need something to differentiate between text and speech because there will be points when both are being used.

brianjanuary, I considered the colon, but I like my commas. Chase can tell you I am overly fond of them. In this case, I want to give the impression of verbalization. Replacing quotation marks and keeping commas did that fluidly.

Many thanks for all the input.

I ended up putting the e-mail-type things in Courier. Indents didn't set them apart enough! AnWulf's suggestion was good, and that was the best font I had.
 

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Torgo, that's a good suggestion as well.

My only concern about it is confusion with an em-dash. I'll see what my agent says when he reads it. It's easy to find and replace/find and delete. I will keep it in mind!
 

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Oh and also on this topic.

Text messages renderings!

I used italics and set them off from the rest of the text as so:
First paragraph

ITALLICIZED TEXT MESSAGE HERE(But in appropriate case)

More text here.

is that acceptable?
 

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Soul, I think as long as you're consistent that would work. One thing about italics is that you need to make sure that if you use them for one thing, you use them with caution for another. I wouldn't use them for texts, emphasis, AND internal thoughts all in the same book. It's confusing to read.

I can't use italics in this book because it would be italics all over the damn place. It's like text messages met e-mails and had babies, and they are replacing verbalization for 60% of my dialogue.

The comparison with ASL is good, and any method that sets that apart from spoken word would be a positive one. The guillemets work as does the quotation dash. I'm storing both away for later!