Plucky Romance Heroine vs YA Female Protagonist

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Bootz

I'm intensely studying the Harlequin Presents format, in hopes of writing one. To be honest, I'm finding many of the heroines repellant. Plucky seems to mean argumentative, illogical, and taking silly risks. They stand up to the alpha until he shows them how misguided they were, and then he saves them from their mistake.

In contrast I'm studying some YA writing instruction books.

What do you all think of applying YA advice to the plucky heroine in an HP? Do you think it can be done?
 
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I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the YA advice, but I'll offer you this.

I don't read Presents or some of the other lines for the very same reason. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Harlequin and hope to write for them someday (soon), but there are a few things in some of the lines which irk me. I tend to read only Harlequin American Romance, Intrigue, and the occasional Medical.

My first thought is-- are you sure Presents is the correct line for you to write in? If you are finding more than one of these heroines repulsive, then maybe you should have a read of a few other lines and see if any of those are a better fit. I have read probably hundreds of Harlequins (since about age 13) from all different lines and can honestly say each line has its own flavor.

You may read one and find that it better suits your tastes. For example, I will never be able to write the 'Sheik Hero' or 'Greek Millionaire Hero'. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with these guys, they just aren't my type. I have giggle fits just thinking of them, and not the good kind.

Just my 2 pence :)

Christy Kate
 

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I have asked myself if this is the right line for myself. I like the publisher description of the line, better than what the current authors are writing within that line, I think.

And each book seems to irk me in a different way, and I believe that what is irking me, is not coming from publisher expectations. It's often subtle things. And I am easily irked as someone coming from a domestic abuse situation and having PTSD.

Some of the writing instruction books geared towards romance writers seem to be warning against exactly what I am seeing, and being irked about. So I think publishers are accepting, but not looking for what is irking me, but I am not sure.
 

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I prefer Desires to Presents--there seems to be less power and status difference between the H/h then in Presents. Recently picked up a lot of SE and HAR to study.
 

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I understand what you're going through. I started reading their Nocturnal line in the hopes of writing something tailored for that line. They want strong conflict between the alpha male and female. They say they want strong female and male characters, but what I keep seeing is weak females who suddenly become strong for almost no reason. I've only found two or three stories that don't irk me.
 

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I'm not totally sure what is attracting me so much to the Presents line. There is SOMETHING there that is not in the other lines. Or maybe something missing that I like to see missing. I like the total lack of subplot and minimal family involvement. I like the total focus being on the romantic relationship between two people.

I think the strength of Presents, can be for a very lonely woman, to picture herself as the heroine and having instant happiness with the inclusion of just one new person in their life. As the world moves faster and families are being torn apart for all sorts of reasons, I think we are seeing more women who are out in the world all alone without anyone. In flies the hero and everything changes overnight for the better.

I'd like to be able to hold onto that precious fairytale, but still write a heroine who can be a role model. The new trend is not to present, an abuser and a codependent heroine. I don't think a smirking hero and an unstable screeching heroine is a step in the right direction, away from that. I think I know how to write a non-abusive alpha. I want the heroine to be...able to save herself most of the time, like a kids/YA heroine can. I want it to be truly romantic when the hero does save her from something, and I also want it to be truly romantic when she saves the hero. The perfect couple is a team that shores each other up where they are weak as individuals. I don't believe conflict requires at least one unstable partner.

I think if I have to choose, I prefer the old fashioned abusive alpha and the stable heroine, to the new smirking alpha and the screeching harpy.

What is SE?
 

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I agree with Christy's thoughts. Sometimes, to fit our book, we have to step outside our espectations. I would love to be pubbed my har also but none of what I write seems to fit them unless you have an agent, which at this point I don't need. Really think about what's best for you and your book. I never recommend changing to suit ours.

Good luck:)
 

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I started my first HP last night. So far, I'm feeling very optimistic about it.

I learn best by doing, and what I think is going to happen doesn't necessarily work out that way. I figure the best thing to do right now is to just dive in.

The heroine seems to be writing herself and taking over...so...it might not matter what I want her to be :-0
 

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Like one of the previous posters said, make sure this is the right line/book series for you. Even though their description says one thing, it could slightly differ from what they actually accept for the line. So, if most of the line is like that, maybe you should reconsider. I mean I don't write for Harlequin, and I truthfully don't know if I want to. That's just me though.

If anything, I would suggest looking at other romance lines. Just to be sure. Because to be truthfully honest, if what you write doesn't match what they have in line, there is a good chance it would get rejected I would think. I don't know that much about publishing. No offense.
 

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Harlequin editors can send a book they like but is not right for their line to the appropriate editor. So if you book turns out better suited for another line it is not dead in the water.
 

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HPresents is the line that turns out the secretary/mistress/virginal innocent with the uber-alpha Greek tycoon/Sheikh prince/Italian billionaire. It has a history of being the most formulaic and inflexible of all category lines and is one of (if not THE) oldest categories lines in existence. If you are interested in writing for that line, you will need to understand and appreciate what makes the line unique. One of the most recently signed and celebrated new authors for this line is Maisey Yates. She also writes some rule-breakers (an interracial for one of the other lines, not Presents), so you might want to try some of hers to see what they have been buying from a 'fresh voice'.

In all seriousness, if you don't believe in and love the line you are writing for, you are most likely wasting time. What makes category romance the offer that it is to millions of readers world-wide is the promise that each category offers --a guaranteed read of a certain style, premise and pace.

I DO write for Harlequin, albeit one of the more flexible category lines. The historical line is vast and diverse these days and the editors give their authors a bit of leeway.
 
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Bootz

Thank you all for the tips and advice.

I'll check out Maisy Yates.

As I'm writing I'm seeing how much easier it is to do exactly what I don't like reading :-0 It's weird. And some of it's what the how-to books and articles are warning against. Even though certain things are accepted in the line and are frequently done, the how-to books are trying to lead authors away from some of these easy tricks that just kind of happen within this formula, when you let the characters take over and write themselves.

Whatever happens with this book, I just want to FINISH it. I am learning SO much by writing it, that I'm less invested in it's sale, than I am invested in the excellent learning opportunity I'm having the chance to experience.

I'm learning that sometimes I might not like my characters, and that even if I do, I might not want anyone to emulate them. This is STORY writing and NOT a domestic abuse recovery manual, I'm having to remind myself.

I have no idea where all this will lead, but I'm just going to keep plugging away at it, and see what happens. Already it is going places I didn't expect it to.
 
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