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Supersymmetric Higgs Rumors

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That second article talks about the universe exploding, with a wave of intense heat moving at the speed of light.

That's not my understanding of how the Higgs field works. If the Higgs field were to become supersymmetric, I believe gravity would become repulsive, rather than attractive, and space itself would expand, turning a volume the size of a molecule into the size of a galaxy in a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second. That's far faster than the speed of light.

While this may certainly be described as the universe exploding, it doesn't involve heat. In fact, the expansion would produce significant cooling.

If this were to happen in a localized area, I'm not sure what the consequences would be for space where the Higgs field is still in a low-energy state.

The Higgs field being supersymmetric is what cosmologists believe led to the inflation period in the universe's first moment in time. But as the universe cooled, the Higgs field lost its symmetry (like going through a phase change, turning water into ice), thereby giving mass to matter, ceasing faster-than-light expansion of space, and switching gravity from a repulsive force to an attractive one.

I'm also not sure I see the connection between the energy required to reveal a naked Higgs particle and the temperature required to make the Higgs field supersymmetrical. Though the two may be related, I don't think they're required to be the same. I doubt we're in any danger of achieving the energy levels necessary to make the Higgs field supersymmetric.

But if it ever happens, be sure to duck and cover. You'll have a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second to take cover.
 

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That second article talks about the universe exploding, with a wave of intense heat moving at the speed of light.

That's not my understanding of how the Higgs field works. If the Higgs field were to become supersymmetric, I believe gravity would become repulsive, rather than attractive, and space itself would expand, turning a volume the size of a molecule into the size of a galaxy in a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second. That's far faster than the speed of light.

While this may certainly be described as the universe exploding, it doesn't involve heat. In fact, the expansion would produce significant cooling.

If this were to happen in a localized area, I'm not sure what the consequences would be for space where the Higgs field is still in a low-energy state.

The Higgs field being supersymmetric is what cosmologists believe led to the inflation period in the universe's first moment in time. But as the universe cooled, the Higgs field lost its symmetry (like going through a phase change, turning water into ice), thereby giving mass to matter, ceasing faster-than-light expansion of space, and switching gravity from a repulsive force to an attractive one.

I'm also not sure I see the connection between the energy required to reveal a naked Higgs particle and the temperature required to make the Higgs field supersymmetrical. Though the two may be related, I don't think they're required to be the same. I doubt we're in any danger of achieving the energy levels necessary to make the Higgs field supersymmetric.

But if it ever happens, be sure to duck and cover. You'll have a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second to take cover.

As I understand it, supersymmetry is a way of keeping the vacuum stable so you don't blow up the universe. The idea is that a low GeV Higgs (quartet?) at around 126 GeV would have a supersymmetric balancing particle (a Higgsino?) at some huge (and therefore safe-for-the-vacuum) energy. Some other article I looked at suggested that a 126 GeV Higgs was safe but that a 125 GeV Higgs might blow up the universe someday.

I guess I'm still somehow expecting a 126 GeV Higgs with minimal extended supersymmetry.