use of colon and semicolon in speech

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Would you punctuate speech with a colon or semicolon even though it might be the right thing to do grammatically?

I'd say no, because we don't talk using colons (unless you're George Carlin). What does that mean verbally? A dash or a comma indicate pauses, but how is a colon different?

On the other hand, not using one where it would normally be needed might grate on some readers.

Maybe the compromise is to not write speech in a way that requires colons.
 

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Wne s[eaking, I would be more likely to say "intestine" tan "colon".

When punctuating dialogue, I think that the correct punctuation should be used. If a colon i called for, then use a colon, and so on.
 

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Would you punctuate speech with a colon or semicolon even though it might be the right thing to do grammatically?

I'd say no, because we don't talk using colons (unless you're George Carlin). What does that mean verbally? A dash or a comma indicate pauses, but how is a colon different?

On the other hand, not using one where it would normally be needed might grate on some readers.

Maybe the compromise is to not write speech in a way that requires colons.
I don't buy the argument that we don't speak in colons or semicolons. If that's that standard we're to go by, then we should use absolutely no punctuation in dialogue, and should just put extra spaces in between the words when we want pauses. Because technically, we don't speak in apostrophes, periods, exclamation points, dashes or question marks, either.

Punctuation tells us how to read what is written, and it tells us how to read what is written in dialogue.

If someone chooses not to use colons or semicolons in dialogue, it's no big deal. But we shouldn't avoid them out of the misguided notion that people don't "speak" in them. We do. All the time.
 

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I agree with Devil: I speak in colons and semi-colons; I really do.
 

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Victor Borge's funny routine underscores an important point: The reason we don't need to make noises for punctuation in speech are the reasons we do need punctuation in writing. When we hear speech, we understand where the punctuation goes (because we do in fact speak with punctuation). But when we can't hear something spoken, as in reading, we need the punctuation to fully understand it.

Therefore it only makes sense to include punctuation in writing, including dialogue.
 

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I can see the point. At least comas and semu-colons can be interchangeable in writing and speech.
 

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We all use punctuation when we speak and think (why would we have all these different punctuation marks in writing otherwise?) I've noticed that people tend to speak about pauses when they speak about punctuation, particularly when they speak of periods and commas, but there is much more meaning in the different punctuation types than that.

Intonation, I think, is how we really 'tell' the different punctuations and thereby 'tell' what people mean when they speak. A question mark creates a sentence that rises in tone at the end. An exclamation, a rise in volume usually. I'm not sure how to describe what a colon sounds like, except that it invariably implies that something else is coming; in fact, that the most important part of the sentence is still to come.

A semicolon is like an addition. I can hear that it is different from a comma, not only because, sure, the pause is longer, but also because the intonation is different. Perhaps what the mark does is actually change the intonation of the second part of the sentence? (I'm just speculating here.) Seems to me that the first part of a sentence before a semicolon can sound like a complete sentence, but the part that comes after the semicolon sounds particularly like an addition, something closely related, but not necessary to the meaning of the first sentence. The words are rushed into, perhaps, but it's definitely more than that, too.

It's interesting to note, too, that unless we are reading and are surprised by a particular punctuation mark, the marks get incorporated into the sentences, at least the last word/s of each sentence. This is where the intonation that conveys the mark comes from. It is organically a part of the words of the sentence.

/Dea done trying to talk about something she knows nearly only by instinct.
 
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In thirty-two years, I've never found the need to use a semicolon in fiction. I've found that if a sentence requires a semicolon, I need to write a better sentence, and I always can. I'd never, ever use a colon or a semicolon in dialogue. I write with neither, and I speak with neither.
 

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In thirty-two years, I've never found the need to use a semicolon in fiction. I've found that if a sentence requires a semicolon, I need to write a better sentence, and I always can. I'd never, ever use a colon or a semicolon in dialogue. I write with neither, and I speak with neither.
That's fine for you, JAR. Know that I would defend to the death your right to avoid the semicolon.

However, as the self-appointed Defender of the Semicolon, I am required to point out the following for the good and benefit of our fellow AWers:

1. Use of a semicolon is not substandard sentence structure.

2. Sentences containing appropriately used semicolons are not automatically in need of revision.

3. Whether or not a writer chooses to use semicolons should have nothing to do with whether or not said writer is composing fiction.

4. Anyone who'd like a brief and humorous primer on the proper use of the semicolon can click the link in my signature.

The More You Know...
 
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A semicolon is like an addition. I can hear that it is different from a comma, not only because, sure, the pause is longer, but also because the intonation is different. Perhaps what the mark does is actually change the intonation of the second part of the sentence? (I'm just speculating here.) Seems to me that the first part of a sentence before a semicolon can sound like a complete sentence, but the part that comes after the semicolon sounds particularly like an addition, something closely related, but not necessary to the meaning of the first sentence. The words are rushed into, perhaps, but it's definitely more than that, too.

Yeah, so, not quite. A semicolon has much more in common with a period (or full stop) that it does with a comma. You cannot use a semicolon and comma interchangeably but you can use a semicolon and a period interchangeably.

Take a quick look at a book on grammar or punctuation to brush up on semicolon usage. It's pretty easy, really.
 

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Yeah, so, not quite. A semicolon has much more in common with a period (or full stop) that it does with a comma. You cannot use a semicolon and comma interchangeably but you can use a semicolon and a period interchangeably.

Take a quick look at a book on grammar or punctuation to brush up on semicolon usage. It's pretty easy, really.

Hmm. I didn't mean to imply that I thought the semicolon was like a comma and I didn't say that it was interchangeable with a comma... Maybe I didn't express myself very clearly. I was really talking more about the intonation I perceive a semicolon to create than about its usage. It's my mistake that I assume everyone knows how to use them.

Umm, I think they're pretty easy, too:Shrug:
 
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Would you punctuate speech with a colon or semicolon even though it might be the right thing to do grammatically?

I'd say no, because we don't talk using colons (unless you're George Carlin). What does that mean verbally? A dash or a comma indicate pauses, but how is a colon different?

On the other hand, not using one where it would normally be needed might grate on some readers.

Maybe the compromise is to not write speech in a way that requires colons.

You could use an em-dash instead of a colon.

"Look, bub, there's three reasons I ain't gonna help you--you can't pay me enough, I don't like you, and you're gonna be dead in five minutes anyway."
 

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You could use an em-dash instead of a colon.

"Look, bub, there's three reasons I ain't gonna help you--you can't pay me enough, I don't like you, and you're gonna be dead in five minutes anyway."
Why would that be better than a colon? We don't speak in dashes any more than we speak in colons, so why not just use a colon?
 

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Why would that be better than a colon? We don't speak in dashes any more than we speak in colons, so why not just use a colon?

Because it's more casual than a colon. A colon is a formal piece of punctuation.

Also, a colon is a visual marker. It says: I am about to introduce something. It doesn't care how long you pause when you read it. It is more for the eye than the ear.

The dash is not only visual, it is aural. It denotes a pause that's longer than a comma, which is useful in dialogue, because dialogue needs to be heard as well as seen.
 
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Because it's more casual than a colon. A colon is a formal piece of punctuation.

Also, a colon is a visual marker. It says: I am about to introduce something. It doesn't care how long you pause when you read it. It is more for the eye than the ear.

The dash is not only visual, it is aural. It denotes a pause that's longer than a comma, which is useful in dialogue, because dialogue needs to be heard as well as seen.
Meh. A colon denotes the same amount of pause as the dash but with the added benefit of connoting intent.

Writers need to get over the idea of "formal" and "informal" punctuation. There is proper and improper punctuation, but not formal and informal.
 

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Meh. A colon denotes the same amount of pause as the dash but with the added benefit of connoting intent.

Writers need to get over the idea of "formal" and "informal" punctuation. There is proper and improper punctuation, but not formal and informal.

But dialogue is its own special world, and many of the rules can be bent or broken. For instance, to be correct one would use a semi-colon to separate two or more related but independent clauses. But in dialogue, it's perfectly fine, even desirable, for a writer to string together any number of independent clauses with commas, to indicate more breathless, run-on speech.

Regarding em-dashes and formality or lack thereof, from a site called grammarbook.com, it says:

In informal writing, em dashes may replace commas, semicolons, colons, and parentheses to indicate added emphasis, an interruption, or an abrupt change of thought.

There certainly is a difference in formal and informal writing, and fiction generally falls into the latter category. Certainly most dialogue does.

You can use them (or not) however you please, of course, but for myself, I see punctuation as a tool for making dialogue sound more natural.