Struggles of Publishing Fantasy Novels for the 1st Time Author...

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Hi all
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New to the world of writing. Love how friendly everyone is here. So here's the scoop. I just self-published a book out of frustration at not being able to find a mainstream publisher that would even take the time to read my manuscript. Wanted to hear about other people's struggles and "successes."

December is a Great Month
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Well, my first novel, a contemporary fantasy, couldn't score agent interest. It now langushes in the Wizards of the Coast Open Call 2004, waiting for the kiss of death.

My second wasn't in the speculative fiction genre. (But it also didn't get me an agent._

My third novel, a paranormal romance (which I still think of as humorous urban fantasy), landed me a top-notch agent and now is on submission at 11 publishing houses. We'll see what happens...

Good luck with the self-published novel. There are success stories out there of how some self-published authors went on to land significant mainstream publishing deals, although they are rare. I wish you much success!

And you're right--December IS a great month. :)
 

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Lessee...
My first novel is a quirky fantasy which I queried one agent about recently, but no luck. I have put a hold on sending it out, because of my second novel.
My second novel is a darker fantasy, but still from the same trilogy. It isn't finished yet, but looks like it's going to be about double the size of the first.
Now, I have a dilema. It is not only longer than the first, but it is also better. So, I am planning to finish Book no. 2 and then give book no. 1 an overhaul.
And you know what? I've done most of the writing on these this year as well as going to polytech and working Saturdays.
 

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Oh gosh, you really want to know about my publishing struggles and "successes"?

My first novel, Moonsword is the first book of my fantasy trilogy. Being a novice to the publishing business, and not knowing any better, I signed with the first agent who showed interest in my work. They were new and well meaning, but they had no real connections, and after a year our contract together ended without success. Almost immediately, I obtained the interest of a new agent, who who was listed in Writer's Market as selling 90 books in the previous year, and who loved my book. Well this agent turned out to be a scam agent who landed me with a new publisher--AmErica House (who later changed their name to PublishAmerica). They were/are a POD scam publishing house. Despite the MANY obstacles PA put in my path, I got some good media attention on my own-major newspapers, reviews, television (including The O'Reilly Factor). Under PA's system it is virtually impossible to sell books (see the NeverEnding PublishAmerica Thread in the Bewares board for more details). Still, my book earned a nomination for the 2004 Spectrum Award. I hired a lawyer and fought to get the rights to my book back.

Meanwhile, for my second novel, I got a tiny bit smarter and signed the second book in the trilogy with a new small publisher (the first book was still with PA at this time). I got some more decent press (Montel Williams Show, etc.) and big reviews (Publishers Weekly) and earned some award attention: Finalist for Foreword Magazine's 2005 Book of the Year Award, Semi-Finalist for the Independent Publisher's 2005 IPPY Award, and a nomination for the 2005 Spectrum Award. A big agent contacted me after seeing my book on the Amazon Early Adopter List, and asked to read my books. He loved them, said I was very talented and my books were great, but that the time was not right for me at the time. Meanwhile, I got the rights back for the first book and was immediately offered a contract for it from the second publisher, who recently returned my contact for it because of poor sales of the second book.

A lot of people say that I'm going to be big, including AW's own Jenna Glatzer, who claims that "...one day soon people will be lining up outside bookstores to meet..." me.

Meanwhile since it seems that my trilogy is effectively dead (I can't easily sell Book I to somebody if somebody else has Book II). So, I've put my trilogy aside and started another project.

I hope you are right about December...
 

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So, I've put my trilogy aside and started another project.

Glad to see that you've moved on. We're rooting for you.

As for the thread: I have no successes. That's not true. I've had a few stories published online. Two scifi, one vampire story (in a way). And I have a novel under consideration at William Morris Agency.

I'm checking my email for the rejection as we speak...

Nope. Not yet. Probably after the holiday.
 

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CaelinPaul said:
I just self-published a book out of frustration at not being able to find a mainstream publisher that would even take the time to read my manuscript.

How hard did you try? Did you approach publishers direct, or via an agent? Did you query agents, and if so how many? What were your reasons for rejection?
 

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How hard did you try? Did you approach publishers direct, or via an agent? Did you query agents, and if so how many? What were your reasons for rejection?

Well I went on-line and found a list of a whole bunch of publishers in the fantasy genre. Many were very clear that they were not accepting unsolicited manuscripts. So I sent to a handful of publishers who suggested they were looking at unsolicited manuscripts. I guess I have to get a thicker skin because as soon as the first few rejection letters came in I lost my nerve and decided to go the self-publishing route. The problem is, now people are reading my book and loving it so much that they can't put it down once they start. As for agents, had no clue how to pursue an agent or even that an author needed one. Plus, agents sound expensive :)
 

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In no way should a legitimate agent be expensive. They make money for you. Anyone who asks for money before they've sold your work should be run away from.
 

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CaelinPaul said:
Well I went on-line and found a list of a whole bunch of publishers in the fantasy genre. Many were very clear that they were not accepting unsolicited manuscripts. So I sent to a handful of publishers who suggested they were looking at unsolicited manuscripts. I guess I have to get a thicker skin because as soon as the first few rejection letters came in I lost my nerve and decided to go the self-publishing route. The problem is, now people are reading my book and loving it so much that they can't put it down once they start. As for agents, had no clue how to pursue an agent or even that an author needed one. Plus, agents sound expensive :)

Agents aren't expensive. Agents are free, and agents make you money, not cost you money. You approach an agent the same way you approach a publisher. You send the a query letter.

I know this isn;t what many writers want to hear, but to paraphrase Cussler, and a couple of editors I know who same the same thing, "Getting published is easy. The hard part is writing something that's publishable."

If what you write isn;t very good, then getting it published is nearly impossible. If what you write is good, then finding an agent and a publisher is the easiest thing in the world. And the better what you write is, the easier it is to find an agent or a publisher.

And if this was your first novel, why should it be good enough to publish? First efforts in any field, in any profession, are usuualy well below professional standards.

And self-publishing doesn't improve quality. When publishers keep saying no, well, this is a very good sign that self-publishing isn't going to help in any way. Never believe readers. I've yet to see a self-published novel, no matter how bad it was, wherefore the writer didn't say everyone who reads it loves it.

This isn't a put down of your novel. Yours may be great. But it may not be.
At any rate, when small publishers who don;t demand an agent keep turning down your novel, there's almost certain a serious problem with your novel. And the way to get a good publisher is to first get a good agent. This is just how it works. And agents cost nothing. Zero.

Once you self-publish a book, about the only way to ever make that book look good to a commercial publisher again is to sell a LOT of copies on your own. At Victoria says at least 5,000 copies in the first six months to a year. I'd also say at least that many, and maybe twice that many.

By self-publishing, you've put the book on the market, and it's going to be a very tough sell unless it does very well in the market.

The idea is to write a second and a third and fourth and a fifth novel. Odds are, it will take you more than one novel to learn how to write well enough, and to learn what makes a book publishable and marketable. Many, many writers spend time trying to get a first effort to sell, and spend even more time self-publishing and self-distributing, and self-marketing a first novel when that time would be far better spent writing more novels and learning how agants and publishers work.
 

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Holy cow! I just posted to the wrong thread. This was the one I wanted to post this on. Anyways here goes a copy of what I posted at your newbie thread caelin:

Howdy caelin. I'd recommend starting out with Uncle Jim's:

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6710

Plus just go through the Novels forum and do a search for whatever info you need (self-publish, agents, submitting etc)

You'll find lots of good info there as well as relevant links to information that'll help you get a better grip on the state of the publishing world.

Forewarned is forearmed. Read enough around here and you should have a better idea of how to tackle your problem..

Good luck.
 

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Caelin, before you do anything else, you need to learn something about publishing and the way it works. And don't do it by poking around online, or by asking questions at a forum like this one, even though there are experienced people here who can give you good advice. To make sense of the advice, you need a context to put it in, and it doesn't sound to me as if you have that.

Go to your local bookstore and spend some time in the place where books on writing are shelved. There are many good how-to-get-published books, and you should be able to find one you like. Read it cover to cover. Then come back to Absolute Write and read the discussions and threads. You'll find they will make much more sense to you.

- Victoria
 

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Thank you Victoria and thank you James :) By the way where does one go to find lists of agents who might be interested in taking on new authors in the fantasy genre?
 

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My first novel is an adventure fantasy, which I suppose some agents see as a Lord of the Rings spin-off. To call it that is unfair but hey the thought's probably there. I've had little success so far, including a nicely worded rejection from Daw Books, yet I still believe the story is strong enough to stand apart from such comparisons. I just need to keep on seeking the representation that eludes me. Still, my second novel- a science-fiction action/adventure - will probably have better success in my search simply because I feel it's written better, and has the fast paced kind of plot that will draw a reader in. Good luck with your work! :)
 

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Thank you Jonquil :)


I had no idea being an author was so complicated. I write because I love it, but now I am trying to get published, I have to keep reminding myself why it is I write :) Certainly,this has been a giant learning curve. Most people on the boards are very anti-self publishing, but I have not regretted self-publishing my fantasy book yet. My first book signing is later today so perhaps I'll be regretting self-publishing alot more in just a few hours. Perhaps we need to get a few people together and set up a publishing house that is purely for 1st time authors and no one else. I am surprised there is not one already. Or is there?
 

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"Perhaps we need to get a few people together and set up a publishing house that is purely for 1st time authors and no one else. I am surprised there is not one already. Or is there?"

Lots of them. They're called 'vanity presses.' PublishAmerica is probably the most infamous of the lot.

Commercial publishing houses exist to make money by selling books to readers. They don't choose books for charitable reasons, or to give new authors 'a break'; they choose books that they believe will sell in high enough numbers to make them a healthy profit.

Write such a book, and they will buy it from you and sell it to readers.
 

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furthermore, remember that a a publisher is, at least partially, in the business of selling a brand name. one of the many advantages of ebing published by a big house like Tor is having your books come out saying "Tor" on them.

I myself am barely cognizant of who publishes what (somethig i'll need ot correct when i get around to submitting), but several of my friends say that when they're in the booksotr,e they look for books by publishers they like.

what kind of brand identity could a first-time novelists only publisher create? probably not a selling point.

also, what happens when the first-time novelist wants ot seel the sequel to his first book. does hte firt-timer publisher give him the rights to book one back, or does he have them out through different publishers?
 

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I cant even figure out how to upload an avatar from my computer, never mind find an agent :idea: Need certain number of posts??

EDIT: did it. 50 the magic number?



Unlike apparently everyone here so far, I havent tried the novel route. Ive been working on short stories to fine tune my overall writing style. I havent sold any, but Ive only sent (checks spreadsheet) 4 stories, about twice each. Got some plain rejections and some nice ones to.

I just moved to Phoenix, so December has been like any other month for me, sans snow this time. Got my job and car finally lined up, so hopefully will crunch some good writing time in the next week or so before I start my job.
 
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