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Hello,

I have been trying to find an agent for about a month now, and stumbled upon the Water Cooler in the process. I don't know if anyone has ever been on it, but this forum site looks a lot like another that I have posted some writing on called, Hippyland,been a member there for 5 or 6 years, wondering if this was started by the same person...? Anyway, that isn't my question, and I am probably not posting this in the right place, but I am having a hard time finding one. So, I was wondering if anyone could help me out with this problem... a lot of agents that I have come across don't accept poetry queries, and some don't accept picture books..I have written a children's book, of poems-which I intend to be accompanied by illustrations, now the poems are not just a line or two long-so, I wouldn't consider that a picture book...? And they are children's poems-maybe comparable to Shel Silverstein, only not as quirky, and there's only sixteen of them-more everyday life with a toddler kind of poetry, funny yet real. So, would an agent who claims they don't represent poetry-yet, represents children's books and picture books, not read my query? And would an agent who states, no picture books, consider my poetry book, a picture book? Sorry for the long-winded question..I have only queried 5 agents, so far, but all of them have had either, no picture books, or poetry posted on their bios, and I need to know I am not waisting my time. The only agent that got back to me so far was Brenda Bowen, which was really nice of her-took her less than a day..., but she didn't elaborate at all as to why she was passing. Thank you for any and all input!! :)
 

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Here's a bunch of suggestions!

First thing you need to understand: A lot of agents don't rep poetry because so few people write poetry well. And collections of poetry don't sell nearly as well as stories do. So why should they wade through piles of bad rhymes looking for a jewel when they still might not make any money from it?

But there are things you can do. First, get acquainted with children's magazines. The Cricket publishing group--BabyBug, LadyBug, Spider, Cricket, etc.--publishes poetry for all ages every month. Ranger Rick and Highlights also publish poetry. Once you have established yourself as a professional poet by getting a few poems published in magazines, then you can get a lot more agents to consider your collection.

Another thing you need to do is join SCBWI. For one thing, they publish a magazine several times a year, and they also accept poetry. And they sponsor workshops specifically for poets writing for children. You can hone your craft and make connections with agents and editors at those workshops.

Third thing you should do is go to your nearest library and start reading a couple thousand books. Look for two things: Poetry collections published in the last 5 years (Jack Prelutsky and Jeff Foxworthy are two names that pop to mind), and picture books with rhyming text (Karma Wilson is a good one to start with). Study them carefully to see what works and what doesn't. One thing I can tell you for certain: Humor rules. The more hilarious your poems, the better your chances are. Quiet, sweet, slice of life poems are (usually) better suited to the magazine market.

While you're researching, you also need to go to the thread here titled Children's Writer's On-line Tool-kit and study the resources listed there. I know for sure there are links to sites about poetry, as well as recommended books.

Getting published as a children's poet is not easy. I mean, getting published at all is never easy, but poetry is especially hard. The more research you do on both the craft and the market, the more luck you're going to have.
 
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Ms. Judy is wise. :Thumbs:

:welcome: to the kidlit gang, Wildflowers28!
 

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Thank you so much for your suggestions, MsJudy! It was really great of you to take all of that time to try and help me, I so appreciate it! Lucky for me, according to your suggestions, most of the poems are funny-however, it worries me to break them up and try to get them out there in magazines and such, because I truly think they work so well as a book- I basically took my first two years with my son and his first words, and temper tantrums, and favorite things, and turned them into a book of poems-they belong together. In my heart I truly believe that a parent and child would enjoy it- I suppose I could try and publish some new poetry- poems that I haven't already written for the book that I would like to be, someday. I suppose I can start on that while I am waiting to hear back from agents that will probably not get back to me...I guess I have a lot of writing to do! Again..thank you so much for taking the time you did, it was indeed helpful!
 

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One more thing...do you, MsJudy, know if there is any way to get feedback on these poems without ruining my chances at possible publication? I rarely share my work with friends and family-I have shared these with some, but I would really like an unbiased opinion, and ofcourse there is that worry of someone you don't kow stealing your words....suggestions?
 

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One more thing...do you, MsJudy, know if there is any way to get feedback on these poems without ruining my chances at possible publication? I rarely share my work with friends and family-I have shared these with some, but I would really like an unbiased opinion, and ofcourse there is that worry of someone you don't kow stealing your words....suggestions?

Check out the Share Your Work section. It's password protected (password: vista), so your work won't show up in search engines like Google. You can get feedback there - but not until you have fifty posts under your belt. You can start critiquing work for others immediately, though.

If you join SCBWI, they also have an online forum, though I'll confess I don't use it. However, they do have a section for critique, as well.

And you can always join/create an in-person or online critique group.

As for worrying that people will steal your work? Don't. It's almost never happens. And the people who think they've been plagiarized usually haven't.

Good luck.
 

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Thank you so much, Smish! Being plagiarized is really something I never did worry about, I have posted my stuff around without thinking twice. Since I have been trying to publish, however, I have had my friends and family act concerned about it, even telling me to do the "poor man's copyright.." which I really never thought necessary until so many said I should. But the way I always looked at it is no fellow writer would want to steal someone else's words-because where's the fulfillment and sense of accomplishment in that? So, thank you for reminding me of that, and for your suggestions! :)
 

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Actually, the "poor man's copyright" is a myth. It has no legal standing whatsoever. And it's not necessary. You enjoy copyright protection as soon your words hit the page.

I do want to point out that you probably shouldn't post your work in its entirety online -- unless it's password protected, like here in SYW or at the SCBWI forum, etc. If you post your work on your blog or website or whatever, which can be accessed by anyone and will pop up in a Google search, it could possibly be considered published. It's just better not to do it, unless you intend to self-publish.

Here's a very useful FAQ on copyright issues.
 

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You should also check out the AW poetry area (link here:Poetry

I don't know how many of those folks write for children, but they can certainly give feedback on things like rhyme, meter, structure, etc. Or they may know of good resources.

Again, check out SCBWI. I know they sponsor workshops specifically for poetry by great people like Lee Bennett Hopkins.
 

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Thank you..I have actually been on the poetry forum here some today-have posted a couple, but not my children's poems... I don't think the folks in there would like those too much- I am going to check out SCBWI, went to the website-can't join right now though..not in the budget. Thanks again for the advice, much appreciated!
 

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I write for children and I write poetry. Post in both the children's and poetry sections.

Without seeing poems it's hard to judge this, but are you sure your poems are for children and not just about them? Your description above made me wonder. Life with a toddler isn't going to get the attention of a three or four year old. Consider what your hook for kids is. Otherwise market for adults.

Something you may not know. Boyds Mills Press publishes poetry collections and is associated with Highlights. Becoming a Highlights poet will give your collection more cache there. In fact, it will give you more cache anywhere. Perhaps you need to write new poems so you don't break up the current collection.

Adult markets that may take these poems include parenting magazines, Chicken Soup for the Soul and more poetry focused journals and zines.

I look forward to reading your stuff on the forum when you have the fifty posts required.