Justice League: Isn't Everyone but Superman Obsolete?

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Someone mentioned to me the other day that Justice League: Mortal is supposed to be coming out in like 2014. Why not just make it another Superman movie? When you've got people who are teamed with someone who, for all intents and purposes, is immortal and has all the powers necessary to do anything and everything, it makes you wonder how useful they'd really be in that team.
 

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But every supervillian has a private stock of Kryptonite, so it is necessary to have Plan B. ;)
 

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Superman is vulnerable to magic and attacks of conscience.
He just needs Zatanna and Batman ( or maybe Green Arrow) and he's set.
 

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There was an online comic about this very topic not long ago. I may try to find it...
 

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Technically, Green Lantern is the most powerful member of the Justice League...

Flash is faster than Supes...

Batman is smarter than Supes...

Wonder Woman is bolder than Supes...

Aquaman is...um...
 

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Aquaman can tell Cthulhu what to do. Lets see Supes try that.

Hopefully the film will be closer to the Detroit-era JLA than the "Super Friends in their satellite" stuff.
 

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Some day you're gonna need to make a lot of different species of fish work together for a common cause. Can a Kryptonian do that?

I bet he can't make and throw balls of water under water, either...
 

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It worked perfectly in the animated Justice League series. I think the OP is thinking the dumbass plots of Superfriends.
 

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A bit off-topic, but I'd love to see a JSA movie (Justice Society of America; came before the JLA). Although the heavy-hitters (Superman and Batman) were honorary members, the JSA mostly featured lesser-known Golden Age heroes who didn't have their own titles.

They dealt with this a little on the Smallville tv show. It was great seeing Hawkman, Doctor Fate and (briefly) Sandman onscreen. Wouldn't you like to see them, along with Starman, Hourman, Mr. Terrific, Doctor Mid-Nite, battling crooks and Nazis in the 1940s?
 

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Actually, in the comics, Wonder Woman beat Superman in a one on one fight and is generally more ruthless than him (including a willingness to kill). If I was a villain, I'd be more worried about her.
 

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Actually, in the comics, Wonder Woman beat Superman in a one on one fight and is generally more ruthless than him (including a willingness to kill). If I was a villain, I'd be more worried about her.

That's what I was going for with "bolder"...ruthless didn't seem right...maybe "fiercer"...

Oh. And for Pete's sake, Shadow Dragon you're not a new kid anymore, you've got almost 2,000 posts...come up with a catchy title already...
 

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Actually, in the comics, Wonder Woman beat Superman in a one on one fight and is generally more ruthless than him (including a willingness to kill). If I was a villain, I'd be more worried about her.

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Actually, in the comics, Wonder Woman beat Superman in a one on one fight and is generally more ruthless than him (including a willingness to kill). If I was a villain, I'd be more worried about her.

It couldn't have been a straight up fight.

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It couldn't have been a straight up fight.

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The basic backstory for it was that Superman was being controlled by some villain (it's been a while since I read that comic so I can't remember his name). He made Superman believe that Wonder Woman was Doomsday, one of the most powerful DCU villains. The two had the typical over the top super fight, which ended when Wonder Woman used the sonic emitter things in her wristbands right next to Superman's ears. With his super hearing, the sound was enough to knock him out.

As a post script to that fight, when she found out there was no way to break the psychic link between the villain and Superman, she snapped the villain's neck.
 

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Reading the new line of comics, it seems like it's Batman who doesn't really need anyone else. And there was the time that Bats beat the entire Legion of Superheros (who has 1 1/2 "Supermen" as members, which we don't agree with, but that's the way DC decided to play it) and figured out how to beat the whole League, even if he didn't have to do it.

And Aquaman is back to being hawt and doing more than just talking to fish in the new series. It's well worth picking up again. Finally.
 
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Reading the new line of comics, it seems like it's Batman who doesn't really need anyone else. And there was the time that Bats beat the entire Legion of Superheros (who has 1 1/2 "Supermen" as members, which we don't agree with, but that's the way DC decided to play it) and figured out how to beat the whole League, even if he didn't have to do it.

And Aquaman is back to being hawt and doing more than just talking to fish in the new series. It's well worth picking up again. Finally.

She's kicked Bats's butt too.

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Wonder Woman is awesome. And, technically, Superman isn't immortal. He's invulnerable. Wolverine is immortal, but only because of his infinite regeneration, which Superman doesn't have. And Wolverine isn't invulnerable. Wonder Woman is immortal, but she isn't invulnerable.
 

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Superman's need of his teammates is somewhat contrived due mostly to enforced mental limitations. The best explanation for this I've come across is his World of Cardboard speech. Basically, he never allows himself to completely cut loose because if he did, he'd probably lose his mind and... I dunno... fly so fast around the Earth he somehow reverses its revolution, resulting in catastrophic global damage and likely destroying all life as we know it. This would be followed by a psychotic break where he hallucinates that this act of insane omnicide didn't really bring about the end of the world, but somehow "reversed time" so he could be reunited with the girl he has a crush on, and whose life he failed to save earlier. Something like that...

Oh, and he's also not the best strategist, he's not at all ruthless, etc.

But really, I'm with the OP. For the most part, Superman should be able to take care of any situation that arises that doesn't have kryptonite or magic attached. Reminds me of a fun debate with a friend where I stated that all the X-Men need are Storm, Professor X and maybe Wolverine for covert assassination ops. Maybe. The rest of the team? Entirely superfluous.
 
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Superman's need of his teammates is somewhat contrived due mostly to enforced mental limitations. The best explanation for this I've come across is his World of Cardboard speech. Basically, he never allows himself to completely cut loose because if he did, he'd probably lose his mind and... I dunno... fly so fast around the Earth he somehow reverses its revolution, resulting in catastrophic global damage and likely destroying all life as we know it. This would be followed by a psychotic break where he hallucinates that this act of insane omnicide didn't really bring about the end of the world, but somehow "reversed time" so he could be reunited with the girl he has a crush on, and whose life he failed to save earlier. Something like that...

Oh, and he's also not the best strategist, he's not at all ruthless, etc.

But really, I'm with the OP. For the most part, Superman should be able to take care of any situation that arises that doesn't have kryptonite or magic attached. Reminds me of a fun debate with a friend where I stated that all the X-Men need are Storm, Professor X and maybe Wolverine for covert assassination ops. Maybe. The rest of the team? Entirely superfluous.
That may be the case, but especially when it comes to his adaptations in things like Superman the animated series and Justice League and later Justice League Unlimited, they somewhat depowered him so every fight wouldn't just be a shut out (which was kind of annoying because Superman should be able to take a punch and carry large heavy objects with ease by I digress), but even if we consider that he's been written as depowered in some mediums and acts on self imposed limitations, I'd still say he'd at least need Bats for back up. Not every supervillain can be beaten with a little ol'smashy smashy, a good strategy is needed especially for some of the top tier rogues.