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Basically, this is a question for UK indie authors:

When you want to cash in a cheque from amazon in USD, it costs £12 each time due to bank charges. Has anyone found a way around this? I was thinking of getting a US bank account, but that's equally expensive. Then I thought to ask amazon to send me three months worth of royalties in one go...I know it's not very much money to get stingy about, but it still annoys me that nearly 35% of the royalties I'm earning has ended up in taxes/bank charges.


Also, does anyone know how long a cheque from amazon can last?

Thank you!
 

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Shop around for a different bank. I'm in Canada, but my bank allows deposits of foreign currency cheques directly into my account at an ATM. I enter the face value of the cheque in that currency, and within 3 to 5 business days they make the exchange adjustment. Not all banks do this, though. Believe it or not, that's with a no fee, no frills (i.e. no actual branches; ATMs, phone, and online only) bank.

You could also look into opening a separate USD account. The fees for depositing US dollars into a US dollar account might not be quite as steep.

Every bank will have a slightly different policy on aged cheques, particularly ones drawn on foreign accounts.

But keep in mind that bank fees are a "cost of doing business" as a self-employed/self-published person. Remember these fees at tax time.
 
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Legally, cheques have a 6 months 'expiry date' from the date on the cheque.

Are there not other methods of getting the money? Does Amazon not offer payment via direct bank transfer or similar? If there is a charge for that service I think it may be less than the price to pay in a cheque because banks are trying to avoid dealing with cheques at the moment due to them being phased out.

And I agree about the bank charges. Assuming you are paying tax as a self assessment person you should be keeping all receipts that are legitimate business expenses and adding them to your return to claim some of the money back.
 

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Amazon does not offer direct deposit for international users. It also does not use paypal because it claims ebay is an competitor.

>8(
 

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Amazon does not offer direct deposit for international users. It also does not use paypal because it claims ebay is an competitor.

>8(

That's so annoying! I mean, sure, it's fine if they don't want to use paypal, but couldn't they find another way of doing it? It's not like there's that few of us UK authors.

Oh well, I've emailed amazon to ask them to send me my cheque every 3 months so I can hopefully save on bank charges. Thanks for the replies guys!
 

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Basically, this is a question for UK indie authors:

When you want to cash in a cheque from amazon in USD, it costs £12 each time due to bank charges. Has anyone found a way around this? I was thinking of getting a US bank account, but that's equally expensive. Then I thought to ask amazon to send me three months worth of royalties in one go...I know it's not very much money to get stingy about, but it still annoys me that nearly 35% of the royalties I'm earning has ended up in taxes/bank charges.

Firstly you should get yourself sorted with an ITIN so Amazon won't withold any taxes, it will mean that you will have to register in the UK as self employed and pay your taxes here instead.

In terms of your bank, you should seriously consider looking at a different bank or a different account. There are lots of banks that don't charge you for depositing foreign currency etc, and even within banks there are different types of accounts, for instance I'm with First Trust (AIB) and have a graduate account which means I don't pay any bank charges (even when I go overdrawn, so yay!)

You should look into that.

Also, does anyone know how long a cheque from amazon can last?

Thank you!

6 months. Same as all cheques.


But keep in mind that bank fees are a "cost of doing business" as a self-employed/self-published person. Remember these fees at tax time.

This. If you are earning enough then you might also want to consider setting up a separate business account just to pay things like royalty cheques etc into.


Are there not other methods of getting the money? Does Amazon not offer payment via direct bank transfer or similar?

Only for American authors. UK authors have no option but cheque.
 

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Ann Marie,

Take a look at Citi Bank. They will allow you to open a dollar account into which you can pay dollar cheques free of bank charges. If you ask for a paying book and pre-paid envelopes, you can put your cheque in the post when it arrives and it's easy peesy. I just sent off my first Amazon.com cheque myself.

At the same time, you will need to open a Citi Bank account in sterling (pounds). You can then transfer your dollar balance into your Citi Bank sterling account and you will have your monies in sterling without being charged any fees. You can then take out the money in the usual way - it's probably easiest to do an electronic transfer into your regular bank account.

There are no charges for this account, but you will need to go into a branch to set one up. Even if you live a long way away, it's the only way to do it. They will sit you down and talk to you about your finances (in the hope, I think, of making money out of you), but when they realised I had no money to speak of, they happily set me up with just the dollar and sterling accounts and off I went. These can be managed online and you don't need to go into the branch again.

Make sure you phone ahead and make an appointment - if you pop in on the off-chance, they may not be able to see you (this happened to me).

I took this action after a long internet search. Please do not use any online company that offers to transfer your money electronically for you - I've read a lot about people who've done this and never seen their money.

You also mentioned that you're paying tax. There really is no need to pay tax to the American government (IRS) if you're a British citizen. But you'll need to go through some hoops to do it. You will need an ITIN (a tax number which tells the IRS you're British and not to tax you). To get this, you will need to fill in a form called a W7. When you have your ITIN, you use it to fill in a W8 which you send to Amazon (& whoever else, eg, Smashwords).

The whole ITIN thing is a right pain. Go to the Smashwords FAQ and read up all about it - theirs is the most helpful site (I've found). They will also send you a letter to accompany your W7 if you've earned a minimum of $10 on their site (not earned it? Buy $10 of your own books!). Amazon Kindle direct has a helpful copy of a form showing how to fill it in (if you search hard enough).

(I've read Amazon can also send out these letters, but Smashwords is simply more user-friendly)

You must - and I cannot stress this enough - take your completed W7 form to the American Embassy with your passport to verify your identity and get them to send it to the IRS on your behalf.

Even if you live in the wilds of Northumberland or the tip of Cornwall, you must go to the embassy. I tried doing it through a solicitor, it cost me £60 and I got rejected (the man at the embassy said only solicitors in the US are qualified to do this).

Until then, adjust your Amazon account so you do not receive revenues until you have a high amount in your account (eg, $500). Once Amazon has accepted your ITIN, you can drop it to $100 again and get your cheques - tax free! (Of course, you must still declare you income and pay UK tax!)

There's an option on Smashwords to withhold your money until your ITIN is sorted.

I've read of some high earners who didn't bother with the Citi Bank account and see the bank charges for cashing foreign cheques as part of their business costs. But they also made sure they didn't get a cheque lower than $500, so it wasn't such a big hit.

It took me many months to learn all this. I hope my advice is of help.
 

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There are also a lot of very good and informative threads on ITIN in this forum from the many authors who have gone through the process...
 

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I get a lot of US checks.

This is the site I use: http://auctionchex.com/

Mail them your cheque, they send you back a £ sterling cheque. Exchange rate is nothing to shout about, and there is a couple of quid processing fee, but cheaper than high street banks.

The website is a bit clunky, but it works.

Its the only realistic way I ever found.
 

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Ann Marie,

Take a look at Citi Bank. They will allow you to open a dollar account into which you can pay dollar cheques free of bank charges. If you ask for a paying book and pre-paid envelopes, you can put your cheque in the post when it arrives and it's easy peesy. I just sent off my first Amazon.com cheque myself.

At the same time, you will need to open a Citi Bank account in sterling (pounds). You can then transfer your dollar balance into your Citi Bank sterling account and you will have your monies in sterling without being charged any fees. You can then take out the money in the usual way - it's probably easiest to do an electronic transfer into your regular bank account.

There are no charges for this account, but you will need to go into a branch to set one up. Even if you live a long way away, it's the only way to do it. They will sit you down and talk to you about your finances (in the hope, I think, of making money out of you), but when they realised I had no money to speak of, they happily set me up with just the dollar and sterling accounts and off I went. These can be managed online and you don't need to go into the branch again.

Make sure you phone ahead and make an appointment - if you pop in on the off-chance, they may not be able to see you (this happened to me).

I took this action after a long internet search. Please do not use any online company that offers to transfer your money electronically for you - I've read a lot about people who've done this and never seen their money.

You also mentioned that you're paying tax. There really is no need to pay tax to the American government (IRS) if you're a British citizen. But you'll need to go through some hoops to do it. You will need an ITIN (a tax number which tells the IRS you're British and not to tax you). To get this, you will need to fill in a form called a W7. When you have your ITIN, you use it to fill in a W8 which you send to Amazon (& whoever else, eg, Smashwords).

The whole ITIN thing is a right pain. Go to the Smashwords FAQ and read up all about it - theirs is the most helpful site (I've found). They will also send you a letter to accompany your W7 if you've earned a minimum of $10 on their site (not earned it? Buy $10 of your own books!). Amazon Kindle direct has a helpful copy of a form showing how to fill it in (if you search hard enough).

(I've read Amazon can also send out these letters, but Smashwords is simply more user-friendly)

You must - and I cannot stress this enough - take your completed W7 form to the American Embassy with your passport to verify your identity and get them to send it to the IRS on your behalf.

Even if you live in the wilds of Northumberland or the tip of Cornwall, you must go to the embassy. I tried doing it through a solicitor, it cost me £60 and I got rejected (the man at the embassy said only solicitors in the US are qualified to do this).

Until then, adjust your Amazon account so you do not receive revenues until you have a high amount in your account (eg, $500). Once Amazon has accepted your ITIN, you can drop it to $100 again and get your cheques - tax free! (Of course, you must still declare you income and pay UK tax!)

There's an option on Smashwords to withhold your money until your ITIN is sorted.

I've read of some high earners who didn't bother with the Citi Bank account and see the bank charges for cashing foreign cheques as part of their business costs. But they also made sure they didn't get a cheque lower than $500, so it wasn't such a big hit.

It took me many months to learn all this. I hope my advice is of help.



Thanks so much for all of your help! I did do some research on citibank, but it was very far away and I found a much closer option. I opened a new account at natwest. Sure, I have to pay £10 to cash in US cheques, but I can group the cheques together so actually the cost only out at about £2 a cheque if I cash in 5 at once.
The only thing I need now is my ITIN. Got rejected just before Christmas, so had to resend it. Still being processed now, but then I'll also have to submit a tax return afterwards as well. Such a pain :/
 

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AnneMarie - you mentioned on another thread that you are 17, so you should still be able to qualify for a student account - hell, I have a student account and I'm 29 - so you won't have to pay any charges at all. You should talk to your bank about that.
 

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AnneMarie - you mentioned on another thread that you are 17, so you should still be able to qualify for a student account - hell, I have a student account and I'm 29 - so you won't have to pay any charges at all. You should talk to your bank about that.

I did talk to them about it, but even with a student account you still have to pay charges. Plus you can only get one when you're over 18 and you have confirmation of a uni place. I will probably upgrade to it next year.
 

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I did talk to them about it, but even with a student account you still have to pay charges. Plus you can only get one when you're over 18 and you have confirmation of a uni place. I will probably upgrade to it next year.


I'm with first trust and I don't have any charges on my account. You could shop around and see what differnt banks and building societies can offer you.
 

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That's so annoying! I mean, sure, it's fine if they don't want to use paypal, but couldn't they find another way of doing it? It's not like there's that few of us UK authors.
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It's not just UK authors. I live in Germany and just got a US$ cheque which I have submitted to my bank. I don't know what the charge will be, but it's annoying anyway. First you have to put the cheque in an envelope (my bank has only a few brick and mortar branches) and post it (means driving a detour to post box) then you check your online account a few days later and see it hasn't registered yet, so you worry that it got lost in the post (it does happen!) so you ring your bank and the clerk tells you that foreign cheques can take up to 10 days to clear. So that means, a week to get from the USA to me, and then 12 days till I get the money.

It's such an archaic system... we don't use cheques for anything at all here, and sending money to international accounts just isn't an issue any more. My US agency also insists on sending cheques. Once they sent it by surface mail and it took three months to get here! In the meantime I had complained so they had stopped the cheque and sent it by wire transfer anyway.
Please, please, let's ban cheques for once and all!
 
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That looks brilliant, Emily! If only Amazon and co would join up! Since I travel here and there a lot, I'd love a one-stop card. And I guess it's only worth it if the companies who pay you DO join up. Damn.
 
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The above may be a little out of date for UK members?

Prompted by an Amazon email telling me I had royalties to collect, I went into kdp and signed in, and selected my name ("Derek's Account" at the top of the screen), scrolled down to Your Royalty Payments, and for each of the regional entries, e.g. Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, etc. changed the "Pay my royalties via" method to EFT (I'm guessing that means Electronic Financial Transfer?), and "In this currency:" to GBP (my local currency), so the royalties are now paid directly into my bank account. This has worked -- the royalties are indeed there. I dunno if there's any fees involved, the amounts showing on kdp reports seem to tie up with what ended up in my account. (I'm checking this now just to make sure... yep they match, no transfer fees.)

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The above may be a little out of date for UK members?

Prompted by an Amazon email telling me I had royalties to collect, I went into kdp and signed in, and selected my name ("Derek's Account" at the top of the screen), scrolled down to Your Royalty Payments, and for each of the regional entries, e.g. Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, etc. changed the "Pay my royalties via" method to EFT (I'm guessing that means Electronic Financial Transfer?), and "In this currency:" to GBP (my local currency), so the royalties are now paid directly into my bank account. This has worked -- the royalties are indeed there. I dunno if there's any fees involved, the amounts showing on kdp reports seem to tie up with what ended up in my account. (I'm checking this now just to make sure...)

-Derek

Derek, Kindle sales from amazon.co.uk can be done via bank transfer, as well as other European amazon sites. It's the ones from the USA that are sent by cheque. It's positively archaic!
 

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That's the thing, I'm getting royalties from Amazon.com also, and they're going into my bank account without any problems too. I checked my Payments on Amazon there, and they match the payments that went into my bank account. No mistake, Amazon.com payments and Amazon.co.uk payments are listed separately, both made it to my account OK.

-Derek
 

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I'm from Australia and all the Amazon varieties say they do a wire transfer into my bank account.

Perhaps you accidentally asked for the cheque variation?
 

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I'm from Australia and all the Amazon varieties say they do a wire transfer into my bank account.

Perhaps you accidentally asked for the cheque variation?

Never! I remember specifically looking for a bank transfer option, and not finding it. Perhaps things have changed since then. I'll look it up later.
Another good option is Western Union. I regularly send money to my son in Guyana that way; he picks it up in cash from a WU branch, but it is equally possible to send it to a bank account.
 

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Just in case this helps anyone:

(click on the thumbnails to see full-size screen snapshots, too big to post here directly)

To set up electronic payments, go to the Kindle Desktop Publishing dashboard, which is here

Select the username Account link to view Your Account details (I was prompted to sign in at this point using my email and password):


Scroll down until you see Amazon Marketplaces with the various regions, and select the plus sign to display details:


Change Pay my royalties via to EFT and In this currency to your local currency:


And repeat this for all the regions... and remember to select the Save button at the bottom right.

-Derek
 
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Hey, I was able to do it before reading this post! I set it to GBP to go into my UK account. Thanks Derek! This will make life much easier.
Everything else is set to Euros for a German bank account
 

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Update: several weeks have passed, and the cheque I was talking about still hasn't been credited to my account. The reason being, my bank says, is that it is a dollar amount on a UK Barclays Bank cheque. This means that it has to go through the USA citibank or something complicated. All I can say is, never again! INternational authors should avoid cheque payments like the plague. It's always a hassle. This was sent to me by my agent and I'll have to tell her too: never again.
 
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