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Reservoir Angel

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Have you ever had one of those moments, where everything seems to be clicking only for it to be shut down by a single thought from either your own mind or just someone else, usually along the lines of "so it's like [name of popular novel/film/TV show]?"

I've just had one, and it really made me face-palm twice for incredibly stupid reasons. The first because such an event ever took place, the second because it's annoyingly obvious now someone's mentioned it to me.

Basically, I've kind of decided that instead of trying to be overambitious with my first written works, I'd play it small at first. Trying to put vast, winding inter-connecting stories together in a grand trilogy is kind of difficult when you have yet to write a single complete narrative that wasn't just erotic wish fulfilment from a lonely teenager *shifty eyes*.

'Twas to be a simple tale at heart: a walled-off, very conservative society has very strict anti-magic laws, but then the MC exhibits accidental magical powers and the government immediately decides the best course of action would be to banish him to the wild untamed lands beyond their borders, never to return. So he gets dumped in a forest and left to fend for himself and eventually die, when he is rescued from an animal attack by a family of forest-dwelling druid folk. They take him back to their village and he spends a while learning the ways of druid magic, forming friendships, getting a boyfriend (because my MCs seem doomed to always be gay) and etc. But MC misses his old life, particularly his best friend, so he uses his new-found magical abilities to sneak back past the wall and see her. He gets discovered by sentries on the way out again, and this is misconstrued as an act of aggression. So the government reacts the only way it really knows how: let's just kill them! Their scout groups are attacked and repelled, but this only spurs them on and they threaten to return with a rather large army. With the hostility declared, the MC must decide whether to try and return to his old life and thus leave the druids to most likely be slaughtered, or fight alongside them and totally abandon all possibility of ever going back to how things were.

So it's a fairly simple story. But then one sentence destroyed it: "So it's kind of like Avatar then?".

And she was right. MC leaving a strong, advanced society to join a simple nature-related civilisation, but then must choose his allegiance and either fight against, or for, his old society.

Now I know Avatar at its heart is by no means an original story and at this point anyone that makes the Dances with Wolves comparison should probably be taken out Old Yeller style, but this still really annoyed me.

So basically, has anyone had a significant moment like this? And how did you manage to move past it and just keep working despite the constant annoyance of knowing people might compare your work to something wildly successful.
 

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Worse, I think -- my current WIP was moving along swimmingly, and I was thrilled, because it was so different in feel from the work I just reworked and am currently querying. And then I went over the new story's theme in my head and realized I was telling almost the same damn story, like I was stuck in a loop!
Well, I changed the direction of the WIP, but two things occurred to me, which might have some application for you. First, I might be doing it better this time; the story-telling is certainly happening more organically. And secondly, a new approach (this is where your story comes in) is a new approach. Just because a plot/story line breaks down in synopsis form to an it's been-done formula, doesn't mean that a new approach won't make it a completely new thing entirely.

Anyway, that's what I keep telling myself...
 
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First off, Avatar is pure formula and takes from so many mythological tropes that "everything" can be "similar." So, unless you included blue people flying around on winged beings on a planet named Pandora I think you're good if you go with strong characters.

As for whether or not I've done that very thing. Yep! 500 pages in and my mage is Raistlin Majere reincarnated.

Damn.

Time to get the chainsaw out.
 
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As for whether or not I've done that very thing. Yep! 500 pages in and my mage is Raistlin Majere reincarnated.

Damn.

Time to get the chainsaw out.

Are you reading over my shoulder? Damn I like Raistlin, but I wished I would have thought of Kinders first. I really want to use Kinders...
 

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I've noticed similarities between some of my finished works, like similar traits and relation set-ups between MCs, but so far my world hasn't come crashing down on me. I'm hoping that my works are not so blatantly like any other work that such a revelation would crush me!
 

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Is your story about an anti-magic society? Could be something not worth pursuing.

Is your story about a dynamic character surviving an anti-magic society, a living, breathing, human being in turmoil?

Then go for it. Every idea's been done before but ideas don't make good stories characters do.
 

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Well, I thought the original movie Star Wars and its sequels to be pretty cool. I haven't seen the movies it was inspired from, but just by thinking about the movies, it'd be hard for me to imagine where they came from at all.

That's why I'm not stressing out the "original ideas" and creative elements in my stories. I came up with a sci-fi-fantasy-mainstream contemporary trilogy back in 2005 and slowly compiled notes on it. Waiting for the day when I could put it into some form of entertainment format. Only this year did I see the movie I Am Number Four and I saw a "slight" similarity in some of it to my ideas. I'm not going to say what it is, I remember posting the whole synopsis of it on AW, but then it somehow disappeared or I deleted the post way back many years ago. A few Absolute Write members may have commented on the synopsis but they might not remember about it since it was many years ago. Anyway, the reason why I brought that up is because it makes it a little easier to avoid other creative projects by other people when you simply modify what you have a little. This creates a little puzzle piece because if others are going to run into your original ideas, they are obviously going to run into the more mainstream and popularly successful stories that were made that a lot of people already know about. Sorta like a shield or a cover. On the other hand, you just have to make sure your not labelled a copy cat in the process of creating your project. That's a hard one to figure out.
 

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Now you have discovered the meaning of "Same, but different", which is what most people want. They want the same entertainment experience, but with some differences. And they pay for this over and over and over and over again.

Write the story you want to write. It won't be Avatar exactly, it will be "same, but different". It also means that when someone asks you what your book's about, you can say, "Like Avatar, with magic" and they'll know exactly what you mean and get excited (or not, depending on how much they liked it). Instantly marketing.

What's the problem?
 

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Well, I never, ever let anyone else know what I'm writing, and the mere thought of a beta reader makes me cringe, so I never hear this from anyone else. I have, however, started a story and realized it was a bit too much like something else I'd read.

It's usually no problem. "Like Avatar" doesn't mean much. Most stories out there are very much like some other story. The question is what you add, and how well you tell the story.
 

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Are you reading over my shoulder? Damn I like Raistlin, but I wished I would have thought of Kinders first. I really want to use Kinders...

Haha, ya doorknob!

As to the original poster, the story doesn't sound like Avatar to me. It does have the same "theme" that you find in Dances with Wolves and Avatar (going native), sure, but that's one of those things that we'll always see in fiction, imho.

Something else that I've been considering is the "anti-magic" element. I have the same thing in my work in progress (as does the show, Merlin). I'm trying to find a unique way to handle that. My stuff tends to be more character-based, but I'm trying to find a unique spin to put on it.

I agree with others. Just write the story. You may write your way into something that makes it truly yours.
 

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Haha, ya doorknob!

As to the original poster, the story doesn't sound like Avatar to me. It does have the same "theme" that you find in Dances with Wolves and Avatar (going native), sure, but that's one of those things that we'll always see in fiction, imho.

Wrong Avatar, the Avatar I believe the OP is talking about is the animated series aimed more at kids, they did do a movie of that one as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender
 

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ON the note of Oh that is just like, there are a lot of stories that follow the same theme or plot line, how many Law and Order style shows can we have? How many attorney makes good stories? How many detective novels are there on the shelves? Romance many of them follow a formula.

If you come up with a new idea that is great, it's been said there are no more new ideas, but who knows until someone comes up with one. Until then we have the old themes and formulas and ideas to use, to remake in a new way.

Often non-writers will say Oh it's like such and such because that's how people decide what to read. If I like JD Robb I am going to go into the book store and start at her section and see if she has a new book out yet. Not yet? Well then since I want to read a detective story with some sex and romance and a little scifi, I will look for something "like" JD Robb's In Death series.

So even though you don't want to write a rip off of Avatar: The Last Airbender, you may want to write a story like it. I know a lot of people who loved that short lives series and want more like it.

Write your version of the story and then see how it turns out.
 

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Pretty sure a ton of Shakespeare's stuff is based rather heavily on other works, plotting most especially, yet everyone remembers Shakespeare and mostly no one with the exception of scholars remember the works his plays mimicked.

Why? Because Shakespeare wrote the hell out of his plays and characters. People didn't care that they'd seen this before. It was friggin Shakespeare.
 

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Gotcha. Have heard good things about the animated series (not the M. Night thing).
Actually I was talking about James Cameron's Avatar. Though the cartoon series is one of my favourite TV shows in the history of anything.

The M. Night adaptation? Yeah it can go hump a landmine, but the soundtrack is exceptional.
 

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oh come on!

Everything is like everything. No big deal. Avatar is a blend of about a million stories. Of course it's going to have something in common with yours.

For what it's worth, I thought your story was interesting, you told it well, and it was as unique as it can be on a planet where a million new books hit the marketplace every year.

Besides, being unique isn't all it's cracked to. We humans like our themes, our commonality. It's all we communicate with other.

Just tell your story well and you'll be 100% fine.
 

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I compare Avatar to Pocahontas. I feel like Cameron stole that story and just put it on a different planet with seven-foot-tall blue creatures, then distracted everyone with stunning graphics. So I was pretty "meh" about it.

On the other hand, I find your synopsis, Reservoir Angel, to be more compelling. I would read your book. :)
 

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We take old stories and give them a modern form so they're more relevant to our society. How many of the current high school generation have seen Dances With Wolves? And aside from their Disney education, how many know the story of Pocahontas? But they've all seen Avatar.

There are a lot of movies that I love and whose message I value, but I've also discovered they're remakes of movies I never saw because they're just so old (or so my twenty-something self decided long ago). Retelling is necessary to keep our lessons alive. So if you're telling an old story in a new way, don't fault yourself.

However....

I have an MG story about child wizards (bet you know where this is going). During my first face-to-face critique, both reviewers agreed it was "just like Harry Potter!" To be fair, I've been running around saying it's just like Harry Potter, myself. I was half joking, though, because there are a few similar tropes (kids using magic to battle evil, etc.).

When I asked them why they felt it was just like Harry Potter, though, my reviewers had very specific reasons:

1. Winged horses.
2. Magical school.
3. Set in England (keep an eye out for my future post: "How do I keep my WIP from being set in England?").

But those are very concrete things I can adjust that will make my novel less like Harry Potter.

Figure out whether it's just the skeletal theme that reminds you of Avatar (and other stories) or there are specific characters, events, settings, cultural details, etc. that show up in both. Concentrate on adjusting those details until they're not so similar.
 

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When I saw "Avatar" (which I really loved) I said - oh, this is essentially a captivity narrative, which was a genre consumed by early (like, 1600s) American settlers. Some were fiction, some were true accounts of good English folk taken by the natives - who ended up choosing native or even (horror) the ways of the catholic French up in Canada. The temptation of the untamed world (the forest) figures big in these stories.

So don't feel bad - your friend can say your story is like some movie, but I can say that that movie is like some stories written hundreds of years ago - it's all good, as long as it's a good story.

Hope you keep writing it!
 

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well if its any consolation, I never thought avatar. No if you go the whole "what is my story like" route, you will drive yourself to drink drain water and wear those fluffy slippers that only crazy people we... oh never mind. The point is that you shouldn't worry about it. Every story line is like some other story line in some way or another.

If you feel it is leaning too close to another work, then introduce a few changes to shift it away again. The fact that he was banished, instead of sent out on a secret quest to infiltrate them, wearing the skin of a druid with peep holes through the nostrils, is already significant enough as far as I'm concerned.
 

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When I saw "Avatar" (which I really loved) I said - oh, this is essentially a captivity narrative, which was a genre consumed by early (like, 1600s) American settlers. Some were fiction, some were true accounts of good English folk taken by the natives - who ended up choosing native or even (horror) the ways of the catholic French up in Canada. The temptation of the untamed world (the forest) figures big in these stories.

lol I kept thinking FernGully... Avatar was the live action remake of that animation... and the fairy was hotter than the blue chick.
 

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Another thing to consider is that people, unless they're specifically offering critique, will often offer up a "so it's like..." in order to confirm they're understanding your genre or plot correctly. It doesn't necessarily mean anything more than that.
 

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...(big snip)...
So basically, has anyone had a significant moment like this? And how did you manage to move past it and just keep working despite the constant annoyance of knowing people might compare your work to something wildly successful.

Trust me, I've done the same face palm many times.

One time it was when I realized that my short story looked remarkably like a scene out of Star Trek the Original Series. No lie-- I ever had a character that over-acted at every given opportunity.

In the beginning I fell into the cycle of edits rewrites and revisions until my friend (a physics professor of all things) said something that knocked me back into sync.

He told me that the basic themes that exist in stories are like natural laws because they have an element of experiential truth to them. We know the law of gravity works through experience. We know that the themes presented in Avatar work, because on some level we have experienced them. The trick is to make sure that the experience of that theme is something that they won't soon forget.

How did I get over the feeling that my work would be compared to another piece? In reality I didn't. I did however force myself to continue writing, and the piece turned out to be remarkably different in the end.

It may sound cheesy, but try to remember that this is your story, your voice. If the reader can hear your voice through the pages, and it's one that resonates with him, you won't have to worry about the comparisons at all. Who knows? It might just be that you tell the story of Avatar ten times better.

just a thought

Laura
 
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