A question of trilogies and new writers

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Reservoir Angel

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I have never had anything published before. Hell, I've never even finished a proper novel-length piece of fiction before. Short things cranked out as pathetic wish fulfilment over a week or two, yes. But never a novel.

Which is why I am, understandable, nervous about my upcoming writing project. You see, by all counts this story that I have mapped out in my head is impossible to fit into one novel without rushing through it and completely dropping many of the finer plot points.

Now this could be a problem. Being a new writer, as I will be if and when the first novel of this story eventually forces itself from my stubby, uncertain fingers, I feel the need to ask: how difficult is it, logically, to get a trilogy published when you have never written anything professionally before?

Because I've had the makings of this story in the back of my mind ever since the time I had my first boyfriend (a good few years ago by my count) and have worked up finer details of it since then until right now I have something that only needs minor tweaking in the exact narrative for it to be half-way passable as a proper story.

But it being at least a trilogy will, I assume, put a severe damper on my chances of ever getting Book 1 published, correct?

For further value, be aware that I do have a contingency plan and can, if needed, condense some things and change tactics significantly to the point where it could, in a heavily altered form, fit the same basic premise into a single stand-alone novel.

Though I do hope to only have to do that if there is simply no other option remaining.

So... yes, what level of handicap will I be facing if I write this thing in full as I intend as several books, in terms of getting it eventually published?

P.S: For anyone who tells me it's too early to worry about publishing... I don't care. I like to get all my worrying out of the way first, that way there's less chance of my subconscious springing new mental horrors on my part-way through the process.
 

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The advice I got was to make the first in your trilogy as "stand alone" as possible, not leaving any huge cliffhangers, etc, but leaving it open enough to invite a sequel.

The last time I browsed agents and such, book deals (series included in that) were being offered up, even to new authors.
 

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Some genres seem to only want series, whether written by first-time authors or more established ones. For example, urban fantasy. YA especially tends to have trilogies. So I don't think that's a problem, but you should make sure the first book can stand alone, just in case.
 

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The advice I got was to make the first in your trilogy as "stand alone" as possible, not leaving any huge cliffhangers, etc, but leaving it open enough to invite a sequel.
but you should make sure the first book can stand alone, just in case.
That's another issue, since I can't really seem to nail down a point moderately early on that can be used as a cut-off moment. That specific is still on my list of things that need to really be nailed down.
 

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There's nothing wrong with writing the full trilogy now, if you really can't figure out a way to make it stand alone. There's no law that says the first novel(s) you write must be the first ones you publish.

It is very difficult to sell a trilogy as a new writer, but maybe you'll end up writing this trilogy, then writing a stand-alone book, selling that first, and then selling the trilogy. (You'll likely end up wanting to rewrite the trilogy after you've learned a thing or two about writing novels, of course.)

Write what you feel inspired to write, and see it through all the way to the end. If that means one novel or three, go for it. Just get into the habit of finishing what you start. You can worry about getting it published later. :)
 

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If they think it's going to sell like gangbusters, they'll be thrilled to have two more cash cows waiting in the wings.

New authors are a gamble, which is why starting out with a series can hamper a writer's efforts to break in. A trilogy is a bigger gamble than a stand-alone.

But if your story and writing are amazing, it's really not going to matter.
 

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I feel the need to ask: how difficult is it, logically, to get a trilogy published when you have never written anything professionally before?

I've found the novels of Bernard Cornwell to be very useful as object lessons on how to write series novels.

The series has three levels of plots. The baseline plot in Cornwell's Saxon Chronicles series is the MCs need to regain his birthright, the castle of Bebbanberg, which was usurped at the age of ten. The baseline plot has its own villains and circumstances.

Each novel in the series (five so far) has its own main plot, and a series of subplots, like any other novel.

Cornwell has made each novel in the series an intact novel in its own right, with just enough reference to the baseline story to intrigue a reader to seek out the other novels.
 

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There are several good reasons to make the first book of a trilogy stand on its own--even if that just means wrapping up a major sub-plot in a satisfactory matter.

If you get that first one published, but the trilogy is dropped, that first book will bomb in the long run if it’s not a stand-alone. No one wants to read an unfinished trilogy when the first book fails to wrap anything up. Your first book is dead in the water, bam. No possibility of new readership after the cancelation.

But, if it's complete and self-sufficient, that book has the ability to gain momentum on its own (especially if you can find ways to keep it in print.) Its readership can grow if it stands on its own, but it can't if it’s not a whole story.

Because, just like a publisher, any reader will be taking a chance giving you their $6.99 (or whatever) instead of BIG NAME I KNOW CAN SATISFY ME. And if they do take that chance, you don’t want to alienate them if your publisher decides to discontinue the series. You don’t want someone to later see a new book by you (perhaps with a different publisher, eh?) and remember, hey, that author burned me before (even though it wasn’t your fault).

Your first goal should be to keep readers happy. Because if they’re not happy, your publisher won’t be either.

My advice is to do everything possible to keep your reader turning the page and then leaving book numero uno feeling as satisfied as possible. That’s not only a good way to guard yourself against the bad scenario outlined above, but also a good way to get yourself a contract for the rest of the series.
 
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From a truly objective standpoint, how good a writer are you? Be honest with yourself. How likely is it that your first novel out of the gate will be well-written enough to be published?

If your answer is that you're an accomplished writer, and you're pretty certain that you can produce a publishable novel right away, then go ahead and write the *first* (standalone) book of the trilogy. If you're not certain -- and you're really excited about this concept -- you may want to work on something else to learn the ropes. Or, write this and be prepared to rewrite it from scratch more than once.
 

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I feel it worth mentioning I do have notes for two other stories jotted down that would both only be stand-alone novels. And I can, if necessary, put this one on the back-burner and work on those.
 

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I don't think it's about "necessary" -- it's totally up to you. I just like to be very realistic, and it would suck to start working on a multi-book project only to realize that you have to completely start over because you simply weren't GOOD ENOUGH to pull it off initially.

At one time, every author was a new writer.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Every writer has to learn the ropes. I just recommend learning the ropes on something standalone, because if it needs to be trunked later -- and I'd wager the majority of first novels never see the light of day -- then the only thing lost is that single book, not a series.

Of course, with the ease of self-publishing these days, those first novels don't have to be trunked. Not that that's a good thing....
 

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A couple of the writers I know who sold a series are people who had already made a career of selling short stories. I'm not saying the editor bought their books because they had a reputation, I'm saying that maybe they developed the chops for novel writing by writing a ton of stories and working until they sold.

You don't have to write short stories to sell a novel. But maybe you should start by writing *something*!

When I first started writing, I was obsessed with things like whether or not I could sell my series, what name I should use for a pen name, how fancy should my website be, and so on. In all friendship, I would suggest that this may have been pouring good energy into a black hole, energy that I could have otherwise used for doing some actual writing.

I love your confidence and enthusiasm. I think they will serve you well when the time comes to market your work.

Good luck!
 

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I don't think it's about "necessary" -- it's totally up to you. I just like to be very realistic, and it would suck to start working on a multi-book project only to realize that you have to completely start over because you simply weren't GOOD ENOUGH to pull it off initially.


And there's nothing wrong with that. Every writer has to learn the ropes. I just recommend learning the ropes on something standalone, because if it needs to be trunked later -- and I'd wager the majority of first novels never see the light of day -- then the only thing lost is that single book, not a series.

Of course, with the ease of self-publishing these days, those first novels don't have to be trunked. Not that that's a good thing....

I agree here. When I sat down to write my first novel, I had several ideas. I picked the fun one, the one jam-packed with action, the one with lighter themes than my other ideas. I did this because I wanted to make sure I could write a novel at all before trying to tackle the big abstract issues, or the weirder, less-commercial stuff. It worked for me. I finished it, revised it, and with my novel virginity lost the following novel attempts were no big stress at all.
 
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