How many writers use Duotrope? How many writers are there?

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jazzman99

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Since I discovered Duotrope a few months ago it's come to play a central role in my writing strategies, alerting me to markets I was unaware of and helping me choose the best targets for the things I'm writing. Obviously it plays the same role for a lot of people on this board, but I've been wondering what percentages of writers in general make use of it.

Well, now I have a couple of numbers to play with. I entered the Evolved Publishing story contest, which had a deadline of 9/15. They also have a FB page, and I asked there if they could reveal how many entries they got. Answer: 142. This is interesting because Duotrope shows 16 pending submissions to the contest, or only about 10% of the total.

Of course, there are probably plenty of people who use Duotrope to find markets like this but don't bother reporting their personal submissions. Still, I'd be interested to find out--not that there's any way to do so--how many of those 142 entrants found the contest some other way, and are completely unaware of Duotrope's existence.

Another question that probably can't be answered: how many people are there trying to write in a serious way for publication? No way to answer that, of course, especially since there's no longer any way to unambiguously define "publication" (does a blog count?). Still, Duotrope provides some interesting numbers. They report more than 81 thousand responses just in fiction over the last 12 months (it fascinates me that there are more than 89 thousand poetry responses in the same period; I pay little attention to contemporary poetry, and I never would have imagined that the poetry number would be the larger of the two). As far as I can see they don't provide anywhere the actual number of writers who reported those 81K responses, which is surprising given the number of stats they do provide. It's probably safe to say that those 81 thousand are a very small portion of the overall activity in the fiction market, though. There's clearly a staggering amount of competition out there, which should make our successes even more fulfilling.

I guess I don't really have much of a point here; I just get fascinated by numbers like these. Also, I'm putting off work. :)
 

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I use Duotrope to look up markets, though I don't report.

I don't write for publication per se, I write what I feel like & sometimes submit it. That's where Duotrope comes in handy (Ralan too). Some things just don't quite fit the usual markets.

Or to put it another way, does anybody need a 7,500 word novella about Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger troops battling human and demonic foes in the jungles of Borneo c. 1856?
 

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I use Duotrope (but not been on there in a while) both to find markets and track.
 

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I use duotrope for both tracking (along with an excel spread) and locating markets.

I've gathered that for almost any given pro market, about 5-10% of actual submissions are listed on duotrope. Like you, I've compared known number of submissions to actual duotrope reports.

That doesn't necessarily mean those people who don't use the site are unaware of its existence. Not every tool fits every person.

As for how many writers there are in the world looking to get published... I have no idea. Everyone and their dog seems to think they can be a published author at some point in their lives. How many of those people actually go on to write something, then complete something, then submit something, I don't know (I've seen percentages before, but no raw numbers, so I don't know where the percentages come from). But I'm sure you can find guestimations through google.
 

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I use duotrope, along with several other places, to find markets, but that's all I do there. I'd never use it to report submissions, or for tracking.
 

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I also use Duotrope to find markets and report subs there (although I have a spreadsheet for tracking).
I agree the DT numbers probably reflect maybe 5-10% but every once in a while something like the Machine of Death numbers happen: that market received 1958 submissions from 1705 distinct e-mail addresses, and only 68 subs reported on Duotrope!
 

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Well, I was surprised when I reported both my publications to find that this 2 publication record (out of the 10 or so I had recorded) was actually a far greater success rate than the majority of Duotrope users... whether that means I am exceptional or the majority are useless I have no idea (I choose the former option :) )
 

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Well, I was surprised when I reported both my publications to find that this 2 publication record (out of the 10 or so I had recorded) was actually a far greater success rate than the majority of Duotrope users... whether that means I am exceptional or the majority are useless I have no idea (I choose the former option :) )


That would depend on what types of markets you're published in and their percentage of overall acceptance.

If you're talking pro-level stuff, then yes, you are doing quite well. :)
 

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I rolled my own submissions database ages ago, but once Duotrope started theirs, I just moved all my data over.
 

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I use duotrope to find markets, and i report my responses there. There are a few other places i use as well (ralan's, aswiebe's market list, and others that are in my favorites folder on my home pc), but find duotrope the most useful. I contribute a few times a year in the hope that it'll remain free, because i think it would rapidly decline in usefulness if payment were mandatory.

Also, because i edit a wee zine, i keep track of submissions on duotrope compared to submissions sitting in my inbox.

Right now i have 45 fiction subs in my inbox, but only 14 pending responses on duotrope, which is actually the highest it's been that i can recall (about 31%). The acceptance rate on duotrope is also a lot higher than my actual acceptance rate, too, make of that what you will.
 

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I've heard it repeatedly that the acceptance rates on Duotrope are overinflated. I guess people are far more likely to report an acceptance than a rejection.

Personally I report everything on Duotrope because I find it to be such a useful tool. By reporting my successes AND my failures, I make it more accurate, and a better resource for myself as well as the others. I also keep a separate spreadsheet, because some of the markets I submit to aren't on Duotrope (for example, it doesn't have a listing for the Absolute Write Spec Fic anthology, which is probably by design, as the editors specifically want subs from AW members and not from outside).
 

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I've used Duotrope, together with Ralan as a secondary site, for market research for years now. It's only very recently that I started reporting subs there, but I also keep it all in a personal database. Mostly this is because I'm an information hoarder, but also some days the act of checking both is as close as I can get to feel like things are going anywhere. )-:
 

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I use Duotrope & report everything I can, though some markets I submit to aren't in Duotrope. (Thinking of which, I need to check the status on one of those non-Duotrope submissions.)

I'm writing for publication. If none of the publications I'm interested in appearing in are interested in a story, I'm willing to self-publish it.
 

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That would depend on what types of markets you're published in and their percentage of overall acceptance.

If you're talking pro-level stuff, then yes, you are doing quite well. :)

No, I'm not doing well at all (3 or 4 other acceptances and I might be feeling different about that)... which is the point. As someone said, the stats are skewed.

I also tend to report everything - every rejection and acceptance - as accurately as possible. This is because it is useful to know which markets are no longer open to that story because they have already rejected it.
 

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Personally I report everything on Duotrope because I find it to be such a useful tool. By reporting my successes AND my failures, I make it more accurate, and a better resource for myself as well as the others.

Yes, this. For me, the two most useful features--apart from researching markets--are (1) recent responses and (2) response times.

Monitoring the recent responses of a market to which I've submitted helps me to see if the market is currently reading/responding to others and how long they've taken. For instance, I'm long past the ETR in one market and it helps to see if they're responding late to other people or if my submission is anomalous, in which case I might send a query.

Looking at response times helps me plan my submission strategy. If there are two markets that I admire equally but one is generally responding within three months while the other responds in six, I'll submit to the three-monther first.

So, if I find the reports of other people's submissions useful, then it behooves me to report mine. (Oooo! How often do you get to use the word 'behooves'? :D )

I'd never use it to report submissions, or for tracking.

James, this sounds ominous. Is there a particular reason you'd never report? I'm just curious.
 

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Looking at response times helps me plan my submission strategy. If there are two markets that I admire equally but one is generally responding within three months while the other responds in six, I'll submit to the three-monther first
I pay close attention to response times too.I find Duotrope invaluable and I faithfully report everything. I've had editors ask me to post responses there too.
 

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Am I the only one who couldn't care less about response times or acceptance rates? Neither has any bearing at all on where or how often I submit, or on how many stories I sell.
 

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Doesn't it? If you are considering two equally good markets paying 5c a word, wouldn't you submit to the one that responds in 30 days before the one that responds in 120?
 

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I don't care about response times. I care more about a record of which of my stories is currently free to resubmit somewhere, which ones have been accepted and therefore off the market completely and which ones are still waiting their fate in limbo. That is the main use i have for that site.
 

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Doesn't it? If you are considering two equally good markets paying 5c a word, wouldn't you submit to the one that responds in 30 days before the one that responds in 120?

Probably, but in real life two markets may be identical in pay, but they have different editors, which means different taste, which means my story is almost certainly going to fit one of these magazines better than it fits the other. This is the one that gets my story first.

Seriously, whether response time is seven days or seven months just doesn't matter to me. It might, if I wrote only two or three stories per year, though I doubt it. The question I ask is always where is my story likely to sell on the first submission. If it's the one with a seven month response time, that's where it goes.

I read the magazines I submit to, at least two or three issues, and also look at the stories bought index, and try to find out what they were like, what the plots were, etc. And far more often than not, I write a story with a particular magazine in mind. Reading the magazines tells what kind of stories the editor likes, pace, style, characterization, etc. Equally important, I learn: 1. What he's published in the last year or two. 2. What he isn't getting from anyone else.

If you want to sell stories on a high percentage, regular basis, response time just doesn't matter. Knowing what that editor has already published, and knowing what no one else is sending him, does.

And when you have enough stories making the rounds, you hear back from one magazine or another pretty much every week, and this, too, makes response times for individual magazines meaningless.
 

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I don't care about response times. I care more about a record of which of my stories is currently free to resubmit somewhere, which ones have been accepted and therefore off the market completely and which ones are still waiting their fate in limbo. That is the main use i have for that site.

I think we all have to know this, but duotrope just seems a poor place to store such information. Any website can crash, which means you need all of this info backed up on your computer, and, preferably, also on a CD or DVD.

If you do have a submission tracker on your computer, and you should, also placing it on duotrope just seems like an unnecessary step, to me.

I have a very good submission tracker on my computer, it gets back up to DVD each time there's a change, and I print out a copy regularly.
 

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I just take a regular print off or screen save from duotrope every now and again to back it up. To be honest, it is less likely to collapse at the moment than my current computer which is looking a little 'last legs' at the moment...
 
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