Introducing myself...not an author but an author helper

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BookFormatterJen

Hello my name is Jeny. I have replied to a few post already before making this introduction. I am not an author, not into writing either but my background is into typesetting/formatting. I know both MS Word and Adobe InDesign. I have helped a few authors online publish their book in CreateSpace. My help is mostly answering their questions about CreateSpace and then typesetting, uploading their books in CS.

I decided to join this forum to broaden my knowledge about books, publishing books and eBooks, how authors write their books, their inspirations, their marketing strategy and most importantly I want to offer my service to anyone here who would be interested.

I hope I can learn a lot in this forum and hopefully contribute also.


Thanks,


Jeny
 

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Welcome to AW, Jeny!

So you're a typesetter, eh? A good typesetter can make a huge difference to the readability of a book, and I wish more writers understood that.

While you're here could you explain something to me, please? It's something I have only a basic knowledge of, and I know I need to understand it better: when is it appropriate to use an em-dash, and when is an en-dash correct? I can never get it straight and always have to look it up. I'd love a proper explanation. Thanks.
 

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BookFormatterJen

Welcome to AW, Jeny!

So you're a typesetter, eh? A good typesetter can make a huge difference to the readability of a book, and I wish more writers understood that.

While you're here could you explain something to me, please? It's something I have only a basic knowledge of, and I know I need to understand it better: when is it appropriate to use an em-dash, and when is an en-dash correct? I can never get it straight and always have to look it up. I'd love a proper explanation. Thanks.

Hello Old Hack,

Thanks for the warm welcome :). To be honest, the question of proper use of em-dash/en-dash should be asked to a writer or an editor. I only do formatting of documents, making their manuscript into a book format complete with all the elements like Table of Contents, running header, page numbers, Chapter title, Chapter by Chapter layout of body text, dedication, footnotes, Cover design, setting of proper margins, spine, etc. I also do not edit my clients book, I told them that every time they submit their manuscript to me for formatting, it should be a clean manuscript because I will not do any editing except for the obvious like wrong spellings.

So my answer to your question is I am not also really familiar of the proper use of these dashes. However, I took a little time researching this to google and this is what I found in the wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash

I will paste just a few points here from Wikipedia:

The en dash is commonly used to indicate a closed range of values, meaning a range with clearly defined and non-infinite upper and lower boundaries. This may include ranges such as those between dates, times, or numbers.
Examples of this usage may include:

June–July 1967
1:00–2:00 p.m.
For ages 3–5
pp. 38–55
President Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)


The en dash can also be used to contrast values, or illustrate a relationship between two things.Examples of this usage may include:

Kansas beat Missouri 31–0.
Radical–Unionist coalition
Boston–Hartford route
New York–London flight (however, it may be seen that New York to London flight is more appropriate because New York is a single name composed of two valid words; with a dash the phrase is ambiguous and could mean either Flight from New York to London or New flight from York to London[13])
Mother–daughter relationship
The Supreme Court voted 5–4 to uphold the decision.
The McCain–Feingold bill


For em dash:


The em dash (—), m dash, m-rule, or "mutton," often demarcates a break of thought or some similar interpolation stronger than the interpolation demarcated by parentheses, such as the following from Nicholson Baker's The Mezzanine:

At that age I once stabbed my best friend, Fred, with a pair of pinking shears in the base of the neck, enraged because he had been given the comprehensive sixty-four-crayon Crayola box—including the gold and silver crayons—and would not let me look closely at the box to see how Crayola had stabilized the built-in crayon sharpener under the tiers of crayons.

It is also used to indicate that a sentence is unfinished because the speaker has been interrupted. For example, the em dash is used in the following way in Joseph Heller's Catch-22:

He was Cain, Ulysses, the Flying Dutchman; he was Lot in Sodom, Deirdre of the Sorrows, Sweeney in the nightingales among trees. He was the miracle ingredient Z-147. He was—
"Crazy!" Clevinger interrupted, shrieking. "That's what you are! Crazy!"
"—immense. I'm a real, slam-bang, honest-to-goodness, three-fisted humdinger. I'm a bona fide supraman."



I really hope these helps and thank you so much for welcoming me here :)


Jeny
 

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Howdy, Jeny.
As a recent CS customer, I can say that I wish I had met you a few months ago.
Welcome!

I wish that too :). Anyway just message me anytime you have questions about CS and I will do my best to help. Thanks for the welcome :)

Thanks,

Jeny
 

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Hello Guys,

Thank you all for the warm welcome. I really appreciate it. Even if you are not into self-publishing (CS, Lulu, Smashwords, Lightning) and you still need help with the formatting/typesetting, just email me anytime and I will help.


Have a good one to all!


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Hello Old Hack,

Thanks for the warm welcome :). To be honest, the question of proper use of em-dash/en-dash should be asked to a writer or an editor. I only do formatting of documents, making their manuscript into a book format complete with all the elements like Table of Contents, running header, page numbers, Chapter title, Chapter by Chapter layout of body text, dedication, footnotes, Cover design, setting of proper margins, spine, etc. I also do not edit my clients book, I told them that every time they submit their manuscript to me for formatting, it should be a clean manuscript because I will not do any editing except for the obvious like wrong spellings.

So my answer to your question is I am not also really familiar of the proper use of these dashes.

My bold. You do cover design? Do you have a design background? Could you please give us links to some of the cover designs you've done? I've seen so many self-published books with really dire covers, and they're such an important part of selling well.

Now, onto your other comments. I am an editor. I've worked for some of the biggest publishers in the business, and some of the smallest, and I still get caught out by the correct use of dashes: what I was always advised by the editorial directors I worked with (I was an acquisitions editor) was to use just one sort of dash consistently throughout the book and then alert the book's typesetter to the problem, for them to deal with. I have always been told that making sure the correct dashes were used is a typesetting issue. Which is why I asked you about it, because in your first post in this thread you described yourself thus:

Hello my name is Jeny. I have replied to a few post already before making this introduction. I am not an author, not into writing either but my background is into typesetting/formatting.

Again, my bold.

If you don't know how dashes should be used then you should not imply that you have any working knowledge of typesetting.

This, coupled with your suggestion in another thread that writers should use Adobe InDesign to format their manuscripts makes me very concerned that you're offering paid-for typesetting and formatting services because it appears that you don't have the knowledge or skills required.

How many books have you worked on? What experience do you have which qualifies you to do this work? What are your charges? None of this is explained on your website, and it should be.

Here's a little test. Can you answer these basic questions without looking these terms up, and can you explain how you use these things to make the books you work on extra-special?

  1. What is "kerning"?
  2. What is "leading"?
  3. How are points and picas related?
These are really basic things that you need to understand if you're working on the layout of a book. If you don't know what they are without looking them up then I suspect, with all due respect, that you don't realise how complicated a subject this is, and that you don't realise how much you're getting wrong when you do it. So when you offer to do these things for other people in return for money, you don't realise that you're cheating them.

I've read a few pages on your website: it's both confused and confusing, and the writing there makes me even more concerned. This article, for example, makes so many basic mistakes and is so very flawed in both logic and grammar that I can't work out what point you were trying to make when you wrote it.

I do hope I haven't offended you: I really don't want to upset you. It's just that I am enormously protective towards writers in general, and towards AW's members in particular, and I like to see them getting the best possible help and advice, so I'm acting like a stern head teacher here to make sure that you, and anyone else who reads this thread, understand exactly what the problems here are and how they might be resolved. I hope you stride back into this thread and provide detailed, witty and informative answers to my questions, so that everyone here will be assured that you're up to speed on your own subject and I end up looking like a great big meanie.
 
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