I am convinced my MC can't actually win...

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It is a political thriller. The MC and the leading lady are expertly tied up in the closet. The bad guys just tricked them out of the location of the critical evidence. All hope is lost.

And that is the problem. All hope is lost. All the bad guys have to do is go get the only copy of the evidence, and then kill them. I am stuck, I can't think of a way out that works. Anyone else ever face this problem? How did you solve it.
 

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Ah... there's another thread like this except the hero is stuck in a cement box. Yeah... a cement box....

Let me see if I can throw some ideas out. (I write fantasy sooo....)
1. Is there anyone who is waiting for one of the characters? Perhaps a sidekick or a mini-boss who's actually a good guy?
2. Something awesome is in the closet. Like.... a wire hanger they can use to um... untangle the rope? Or, a shoe horn! Yeah, a shoehorn! You can wedge that against one of their wrists and loosen the rope with saliva?
3. Cleaning lady comes in?
4. Is anyone guarding them? Maybe leading lady can seduce guard?
5. A magic portal opens up and If no one is guarding them, they throw themselves against the closet door, hop out of the room and into the hallway and someone finds them?
 
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You've written yourself into a corner. This isn't necessarily a Bad Thing. A good writer is one who can write himself out of said corner. I would advise putting the manuscript aside, get into your character's head and go for a long walk.

I'm plotting my next WIP, and I've done exactly the same thing. My [Roman] MC has been taken hostage after losing a battle with the Picts. I now have a decision to make, is he going to be ransomed or do I have my Roman army laying siege to rescue him? I was going for the ransom option, but now I think the siege is a better idea, but of course that comes with a whole mess of new problems. But then again, who said the best stories were easy? :D

I think you need to throw a few ninja's in there, some kind of unexpected element.
 

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It's hard to make suggestions based on so little data. I mean if they are just average Joe Black's down the street I might send in a neighbor who notices something strange when he comes home from work, but if they are somehow high ranking government officials I'd send in the secret service or CIA or something because they missed a check-in. Not bad for a UF writer if i do say so myself. Good luck and happy writing.
 

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It's hard to make suggestions based on so little data. I mean if they are just average Joe Black's down the street I might send in a neighbor who notices something strange when he comes home from work, but if they are somehow high ranking government officials I'd send in the secret service or CIA or something because they missed a check-in. Not bad for a UF writer if i do say so myself. Good luck and happy writing.

Personally, this sounds too much like the cavalry riding in to save the hero. I think he needs to get himself out of the situation.
 

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Go back to page one and have him talk about how proud he is to wear his over sized "Three's Company" belt buckle everywhere he goes. Then he can use it to scratch at the ropes until he cuts himself free. :D

Or something like that... ;)

Essentially I'm saying, you can add something innocuous in the early chapters of your rewrite that will conveniently get him out of the situation you have put him in now. It can either be a weird "habit" item, or something he randomly puts in his pocket/coat pocket/butt crack.

I recommend something slightly more clever than the above. You know, like a book of matches he picked up at a bar and stuck in his jacket pocket. He then uses them at this point to burn through the ropes.
 
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Unless your MC is a wimped out loser who just says, "Well crap! We're tied up here and the bad guys are on their way to get the evidence that might have convicted them. We're screwed," and gives up, there is always a way out.

Allow me to repeat myself.

THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY OUT.

How are they tied up? Rope? Duct tape? What? Figure out what the weak points in that material are. A thin cord rope can be cut, all you have to do is find something in the closet that can do the job - even if it means MC comes out with bloodied wrists from using a jagged piece of broken glass to cut through the ropes. What kind of a building are they in? A house? A warehouse? An apartment building? An abandoned factory? A high-rise office building in the middle of the night?
Is it probable someone would come into the place and discover them? (Probably not or you'd have some pretty stupid bad guys.)

Are your hapless victims tied separately? Maybe hands and feet together behind each one of them but they are tied individually. The MC might make his way to the woman, feels his way to untie her bonds. Once she is loose, she reciprocates and they are free. Hands tied with a different rope from ankles and different ropes for each of them? This gives them a lot of moving room and more latitude for exploring their makeshift prison for tools to help free themselves and, if the MC or the woman is extremely flexible, he or she could work bound hands from behind to in front, free a duct taped mouth and, using teeth, free hands, feet and, ultimately, the prisoners themselves. Perhaps the hero and his damsel in distress are tied together, hand and foot, with one continuous piece of rope. There are weaknesses in that approach, too. Say there is a loose nail in the floor boards of the closet. Flexing the body can tighten or loosen the taughtness of the cords. In your case, you would want the cords to be looser so the exposed nail could be worked between the strands of the cord to loosen the knots and, subsequently, a hand could be worked free of the bondage and free them. And don't forget the woman, unless she's a total idiot, might come up with or discover the means by which to free them simply because men and women look at and approach problems differently. She could well be the wild card in their escape. Maybe she's wearing 4" heels and could get one shoe off, work it toward their hands, and the MC could use the heel (better yet, he breaks the heel to use the steel rod inside it, to work their bonds loose and rasp his way through the ropes. The broken shoe thing would add a delightful element of her hobbling out of the closet on one shoe and then hobbling about afterwards barefoot. (Adding an element of humor to a less than humorous situation is an excellent device.))

Obviously, many of the suggestions you have received simply will not work in your situation. (The "Three's Company" belt buckle, for instance, would only work if hands were bound in front of the MC and not behind him. Likewise, saliva on the ropes is pretty much impossible if the "expertly" tied ropes are not within 'spitting distance'.)

The one thing you want to keep in mind is to avoid the 'Deus ex Machina' feel of something too convenient to be believable. Make your characters sweat over this. Make them work for their own rescue. Maybe even argue their way to a, "Wait a minute. What did you say?" solution. Try to avoid cliche resolutions. But, again ...

THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY OUT... you just have to figure out what it is.
 
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What's your evidence? Where was it hidden? If the bad guys still have to find it, then come back and kill your mcs, then you still have lots of wiggle room (even if the mcs, expertly bound, don't!).

Maybe the bad guys don't find the evidence. Maybe even badder guys found it first. Or maybe the bad guys didn't recognize the evidence (took the wrong incriminating photos or assumed the biological weapon would be placed in a vial, but it was in a teapot instead). Maybe the evidence leads to bigger questions/problems and the mc or his lady become indispensable to the bad guys (the documents are in Swahili, and only the lady speaks it, but first she's got to find her reading glasses, and then -- bam! -- good guy kicks butt.)

Without knowing the evidence, your mc's strengths, and your bad guy's weaknesses, it's hard to come up with really concrete solutions. But if my years of MacGyver watching taught me anything, it's that there's always a way out. :)
 

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Maybe they didn't actually trick them out of the location of the evidence. Maybe the evidence was moved earlier and they gave the bad guys a false lead.
 

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It is a political thriller. The MC and the leading lady are expertly tied up in the closet. The bad guys just tricked them out of the location of the critical evidence. All hope is lost.

And that is the problem. All hope is lost. All the bad guys have to do is go get the only copy of the evidence, and then kill them. I am stuck, I can't think of a way out that works. Anyone else ever face this problem? How did you solve it.

Your character is not real. He can do anything you want him to do, including cutting his ropes, etc. And if he really is tied up too well to escape, that was your decision, as well.

As a writer, it's your job to give the character a way out, even if you have to back up a chapter or three to do so. He's expertly tied up in the closet because you put him there, not because the bad guys did.

You also allowed the bad guys to trick him out of the location.

When you paint yourself in the corner, you either have to cut a hole in the wall, or walk through the paint and start over at some point.

So either cut a hole in the closet, or walk back through the paint and start painting again.
 

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It can either be a weird "habit" item, or something he randomly puts in his pocket/coat pocket/butt crack.



HA!!!! LOL... you said butt crack...

When in this situation as a writer, I want to remind you that *you* yourself are not trapped in that closet with them.

Their timeline is not your timeline.

I second someone's suggestion to go back in your work, and notice something about this character that will eventually lead to the escape from the current situation. Or, could be something about the particular building they're in. Are the walls super thin because it was built after 1997 (or whatever). etc...

Yeah, saliva on the rope.... what goofball put *that* ridiculous suggestion up? .... :tongue
 

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exactly

So you're probably going to invent a way out. Whatever you do, go back and back fill your solution in convincingly. Don't just have him remember there was a knife in his boot. Put it in, convincingly, from day one. Have him use it. Have a reason for it.

The cleverer you are about adding a innocuous story detail that allows them to escape, the better your novel will be.

The more lame it sounds, just cut and pasted in at the last moment, the worse off your novel will be.

Readers can smell lame stuff added in from a mile away.

Your character is not real. He can do anything you want him to do, including cutting his ropes, etc. And if he really is tied up too well to escape, that was your decision, as well.

As a writer, it's your job to give the character a way out, even if you have to back up a chapter or three to do so. He's expertly tied up in the closet because you put him there, not because the bad guys did.
 

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It's either a writing dead-end or an opportunity to focus on a clever stunt. Make this one of the high-points of the book, how they get out. Call out 'help', cops arrive just as bad guys do, shootout, cops injured but not before the guys get free and grab a gun. Find the door can be kicked through but only at cost of broken foot, head, body part of choice, then escape, and requiring the other one to fight the baddies off as they return. Suicidal lunge at bad guys as they return, something they can hold in front of them to reduce bullet velocity as its fired at them in doing so and so be injured not killed. Character sacrifices self in above so other can get gun as bad guy knocked over. I'd see it as a challenge. At least until I gave up and rewrote.
 

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In such situations, I like to have something blow up. :e2chain: (Or a chainsaw-wielding mad man finds them.) Or the two characters have sex. :e2brows: That might get them out of those ropes! Sex and explosions. Bound to change things up a bit.
 

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At the same time?
 

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Is the woman wearing some jewelry. A pin, diamond tennis bracelet, ceremonial African knife? Any of the the usual stuff could be used to cut through the rope.
 

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hahahahaha .... Sorry, I don't have a thing to add. It's just, I'm getting such a kick out of this thread. So funny. If I come up with anything helpful, I'll be back.
 

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This is the reason we all write, isn't it? Trying to figure out things that not only interest and entertain us, but also might interest and entertain others! Good luck to you!
 

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This is the reason we all write, isn't it? Trying to figure out things that not only interest and entertain us, but also might interest and entertain others! Good luck to you!
Absolutely agree! I love writing myself into a corner, because writing the character out of it requires some ingenuity that (I hope) the reader will appreciate.