YA Love Story that is NOT a Love Story

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As some may know, I take part in a novel marathon every July. This July, I didn't quite finish the novel in the 72 hour marathon. But it's coming along. I just wanted to ask opinions on the topic...I'm worried I portray something wrong or maybe go somewhere I shouldn't go.

The title is THAT'S ME IN THE CORNER

My narrator is a wallflower (Hence the title). His best friend is gay and the two of them, along with narrator's girlfriend, make an inseperable trio.

The love story is really a friend story. My narrator kind of comes into himself when his friend is attacked at a party by bashers and the narrator is held back and made to witness the attack. It's not a novel about prejudices, but they are definitely a theme. The novels more about the friendship of the three main characters.

The 3 friends go to Kenya for summer holidays with the narrator's father and his 'trophy' wife. All three teens have issues. The narrator is in a cocoon, his girlfriend loves both boys but often grudges her inability to have alone time with the narrator and the gay best friend is often left alone while his rich parents are traveling or simply ignoring him.

In Kenya, they all come face to face both with their struggles and with how good they have it at home. Adam, the gay character, finds out the homosexuality is a criminalized in Kenya and that he could end up in jail just for being who he is. Christian and Sadie discover more about their relationship AND more importantly about how financially fortunate they are. Christian also discovers the woman he hates with a passion (the woman who destroyed his summer by insisting that he go to Kenya in the first place), his step-monster, is actually a wonderful person.

It's really about relationship discovery and self-discovery.

My fears...portraying the gay character. I don't want him to be cliche...but there are some big issues surrounding his character. Like it or not, his sexuality is one of the themes. I was going to just write a story in which one of the characters just happened to be gay. But when you sit down and write for 72 hours, there is no mapping. You just write what comes out. The fact that he was beat up at a party by bashers...and then that he discovered an even bigger intolerance in a foreign country...was a surprise to me as I wrote. (-:

Question...after the sprawling explanation. How do you keep from writing a cartoon cliche character when you really really don't want to? I think I'm doing it...but I can't really judge my own work.
 

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Write it the best way you can and then send it to betas. Maybe even post a beta-request in the QUILTBAG forum, with the specific intent to have someone read with a focus on that character, to let you know if he comes off as authentic or "fake."

As with anything, if you haven't experienced it first-hand, a lot of it is guesswork, unfortunately.

Side note: I really like the premise for this story :)
 

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As long as you don't fetishize or demonize Kenyan culture, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It really depends on how you write his sexuality. I wouldn't want to read a discussion about how hard it is to be gay from a foreigner in an African/Middle-Eastern country. I could just read a non-fiction account from a gay native who lives there.

For me, gay bashing can go either way. I've seen it done in ways that made me roll my eyes and close the book, and I've seen it done it ways that really made me feel for the character.

But as long as your story isn't gay American teaches Africans tolerance, I think you'll be alright. I've never been to Kenya (only Egypt).

More than the sexuality issue, I'm hoping that your straight character isn't whining about going to a foreign country for holiday. That really gets me.
 

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Write it the best way you can and then send it to betas. Maybe even post a beta-request in the QUILTBAG forum, with the specific intent to have someone read with a focus on that character, to let you know if he comes off as authentic or "fake."

As with anything, if you haven't experienced it first-hand, a lot of it is guesswork, unfortunately.

Side note: I really like the premise for this story :)

Thanks so much! That's a perfect answer...and that's just what I'll do when it's finished. Thanks!
 

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As in life, characters are defined by more than one trait. If you make sure he's a full person, despite being gay, you transcend that stereotype/cliche of the gay teen persecuted for his sexuality.

Ask yourself what/who else is he? If you can answer that, you're doing fine.
 

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As long as you don't fetishize or demonize Kenyan culture, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It really depends on how you write his sexuality. I wouldn't want to read a discussion about how hard it is to be gay from a foreigner in an African/Middle-Eastern country. I could just read a non-fiction account from a gay native who lives there.

For me, gay bashing can go either way. I've seen it done in ways that made me roll my eyes and close the book, and I've seen it done it ways that really made me feel for the character.

But as long as your story isn't gay American teaches Africans tolerance, I think you'll be alright. I've never been to Kenya (only Egypt).

More than the sexuality issue, I'm hoping that your straight character isn't whining about going to a foreign country for holiday. That really gets me.


It doesn't centre around this part of it...but Adam does get his eyes open. I'm not going to preach. And I won't be going on about 'whoa, how hard it is...' or anything like that. Thanks. I will be looking for that line...and trying not to cross it. I'm taking it really delicately. (-:

And the moaning about going away to a foreign country really has not so much to do with going there...but it's more about spending time with his step-monster AND, at first, it is just him going with his parents...so much of the upset is that he'd be split up from his two friends. 1/2 the book takes place in Canada. It took me FOREVER to get to Kenya when I was marathoning this. I thought it would happen by about page 10...but there was so much more story in Canada when I started writing. So...no, there will be no screaming about going to a foreign country. Frankly, that would be too bratty for me.
 

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As in life, characters are defined by more than one trait. If you make sure he's a full person, despite being gay, you transcend that stereotype/cliche of the gay teen persecuted for his sexuality.

Ask yourself what/who else is he? If you can answer that, you're doing fine.

Thanks Caro. Adam's main character trait is that he is an abandoned latch key teen. He just happens to be gay. But there are times when he uses it to guilt his friend...especially after he gets beat up. But his story is mostly about feeling alone in all the world...since his parents are NEVER there. He actually had to phone them to ask if he could go to Kenya. They fax over permissions, etc...letters he would need. He has all his traveling documents because he travels often to swing by somewhere to see his parents. Gay is just one trait, yes.
 

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Sounds like a great story!

And, TBH, I don't know how to avoid cliched characters except just... making them real. The gay teens in my novel I'm outlining are all in theater, which I know is a cliche, but... well, they're in theater. Like I was. It's not a cliche to me, it's who these particular characters are.

And then, of course, agree with Archie on the betas. When I decided to write a black MC, I asked a black friend to beta to see if there was anything cliched or insensitive that I hadn't realized was in there despite my best efforts.
 

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If you haven't read "The Perks of Being a Wallflower," you should. It's not the same plot as your book but it has similar elements you might find extremely useful.
 

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If you haven't read "The Perks of Being a Wallflower," you should. It's not the same plot as your book but it has similar elements you might find extremely useful.

Thanks! Good advice! Read it the week it was released and a couple times since. I love that book. :)
 

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Malorie Blackman writes a gay main character (also called Adam) who gets a gay-bashing really well in BOYS DON'T CRY. He is completely comfortable with his sexuality and he isn't a stereotype at all. The other MC, his straight brother, accepts it totally, it's just others who have problems with it. Well worth a read, it'd probably be good for research :)

p.s. I love your idea too
 

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I agree with bloodfiend about how easily this could turn into "pretty white kids with problems. (go to Africa)" it'll be hard to make their issues seem anything but petty if you use African poverty and homophobia as a backdrop. So I guess be careful of the juxtaposition. As in "gosh, my step mom is annoying! Hey look, a starving black child."
 

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Adam, the gay character, finds out the homosexuality is a criminalized in Kenya and that he could end up in jail just for being who he is.
No country in the world criminalizes being homosexual, because that's impossible to determine if someone chooses not to express it. The authorities can only criminalize the expression thereof. So, Adam can't be arrested simply for who he's attracted to, only for engaging in intimate relations with another man.

Of course, that's bad too, but it's not like the NSIS (or MISIRI or CPVPV, for that matter) rounds up everyone, psychoanalyzes them to find out if one of them is possibly a homosexual, and then throws them in jail just on that.
 
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No country in the world criminalizes being homosexual, because that's impossible to determine if someone chooses not to express it. The authorities can only criminalize the expression thereof. So, Adam can't be arrested simply for who he's attracted to, only for engaging in intimate relations with another man.

Of course, that's bad too, but it's not like the NSIS (or MISIRI or GIP, for that matter) rounds up everyone, psychoanalyzes them to find out if one of them is possibly a homosexual, and then throws them in jail just on that.

Yeah, they just criminalize sodomy, correct? I think your MC would be alright unless he was caught in the act. I honestly don't know how that works.

@missesdash: Your comment almost made me do a spit take.
 

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Yeah, they just criminalize sodomy, correct? I think your MC would be alright unless he was caught in the act.

This is straight from the State Department website:

Kenya is a relatively conservative society. Overt public displays of affection between persons of the opposite gender will likely garner serious disapproval, particularly in rural areas. Public displays of affection between persons of the same gender risk serious disapproval, and possibly violence. Homosexual sex is a felony under the Kenyan penal code. Although authorities rarely prosecute under this provision, travelers risk possible arrest and imprisonment if such activities are not discreet.
I'm guessing an American would most likely just be deported unless they were really brazen about it. Of course, it also goes on to say that the police are massively corrupt, and prone to blackmail....
 

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Yes I understand the law. I didn't choose my words perfectly there...but I do fully understand the situation. Spent a night at a Lamu, Kenya bar discussing this and other topic with Kenyan friends.
 
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