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Hello everyone. My name is Tiger, and I write urban fantasy.


...sort of.


These days, I find urban fantasy usually means a couple of things. A female protag, first person perspective, and some interpersonal relationship conflicts in contrast with the MC's professional, kick butt persona. There are some exceptions at least in regards to the gender of the protag (I'm looking at you, Dresden Files) but not very many.

So when I tell you my novel is about two male former Delta force operatives who get divine powers and then have to battle a snake handling cult for control of the Pacific Northwest, you may start to see my problem. I heard a term the other day: epic urban fantasy. I feel like that might be a bit closer to what I am doing. It's written in third person limited, and the world is intended as quite detailed and grows more and more expansive over the course of the tale. (two books that run parallel are finished or nearly so, one by my coauthor) While there are some relationship conflicts, they aren't of the variety I usually see in current urban fantasy. (mine include an affair and an abusive spouse)

My question then becomes a question about audience. More specifically, what is it? I feel as though when I say urban fantasy, it implies a lot of things my novel ISN'T. I'm looking to expand my social networks so they don't consist solely of other writers. I want to reach readers. I suppose the simplest thing to do here is ask if YOU would read a novel with this premise. If so, what type of books do you usually gravitate towards? Would you feel as though you didn't get what you paid for, if you grabbed my book out of the urban fantasy section?

Thanks everyone. I appreciate any and all responses!
 
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Contemporary fantasy might be a better label.

This might also be marketable as a paranormal thriller, depending on the exact details.


Personally, that does not sound like what I think of when I think of Urban Fantasy, but it would depend on the Divinity granting the powers and the details on the snake-handling cult.

It doesn't sound right now like something I would enjoy if I was looking for an Urban Fantasy.
 

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Fortunately there is no "urban fantasy section." Your book would probably be shelved in the broader SF/F section of the bookstore.

I've never heard the term "epic urban fantasy." It sounds...weird. So I wouldn't try using it in a query, because an agent will wonder if you know what you're talking about.

I do agree with Liosse that you can probably just call it contemporary fantasy or a paranormal thriller, depending on the focus of the story.
 

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A lot of urban fantasy is too romantic for my tastes, so I'm interested when I find a book that isn't. I've noticed the bookstore tends to be split about how to deal with low romance urban fantasy though... some gets put in 'dark fantasy' with the urban fantasy/paranormal romance and some in the general SFF section. I check both sections for new releases.

I think you'd likely find some readers among urban fantasy fans, but also look at thriller readers and general SFF readers.
 

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My WIP has two male protags (written in close third too) and has them in a contemperary setting, central Texas when they're not in Hell anyway. They're doing their job and there aren't any romantic entanglements planned or anything like that. I've been waffling back and forth on what to consider it too. Urban Fantasy doesn't really feel right. Paranormal Thriller, plain Fantasy, Contemporary Fantasy, I don't know. I haven't been thinking about it too much since I have another 20K words to go on it. Figure I can worry about it once it's done.

I've been enjoying Richard Kadrey and Larry Correia's books, they're also writing male protags in a contemporary setting that includes all kinds of paranormal stuff. You might want to hop on Goodreads and see who there likes similar stuff (who's giving them good reviews) if you want to reach out to readers.

And to answer your question about if I would be interested as a reader, that's a big yes. I always am on the lookout for male protags in paranormals. The authors I've mentioned above had written some of my recent favs. I guess I've gotten a little burnt out on the standard female, first-person MC in UF.

ETA: hello from Seattle, and welcome to AW :)
 
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I think I'd go with contemporary fantasy. If you're querying agents/editors, that would show that you know it doesn't fit the typical snarky, kickbutt heroine. Once you hook the agent/editor, they can decide if that name fits. And, like Kelly said, your book will still end up on the SF/F shelves.

Good luck!
 

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Hmm. Mine has the same problem. I started with putting a thriller into urban fantasy -- no romance. Male main character. Omniscient viewpoint. It's set in modern times in a fictional country, but a secret society is trying to open a portal and release a god.
 

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Sera and Linda, your books sounds quite interesting. I will read them both when they're ready! Thanks for the comments, everyone. Every new opinion gives me something worthwhile to ponder. If any of you have twitter, let me know. I always like to add to my little corner of community.
 

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I think I've come to the conclusion of calling it UF anyway, since I am hoping the genre expands. One of the ways that might happen is by putting forth manuscripts that ARE fantasy and DO take place in real cities etc but don't use the nigh-expected protags and viewpoints.
 
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I think I've come to the conclusion of calling it UF anyway, since I am hoping the genre expands. One of the ways that might happen is by putting forth manuscripts that ARE fantasy and DO take place in real cities etc but don't use the nigh-expected protags and viewpoints.


Go for it.
 

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Is "Paranormal Thriller" considered an actual category by most agents and publishers now, separate from UF?

Whatever it's called, aside from Jim Butcher, for male protags, and romance not the focus, try (in no particular order, except the ones I know are on AW are listed first):

Harry Connolly
John Levitt
James D. MacDonald
Kevin Hearne
Hank Schwaeble
Mark Tepper
Mike Carey
Richard Kadrey
Trent Jamieson
Ben Aaronovitch
Mike Shevdon
Rob Thurman
Mark Del Franco
Anton Strout
Marcus Pelegrimas
Thomas E. Sniegoski
Simon Green
James Knapp
Charlie Huston
Jonathan L. Howard
Robert Jackson Bennett
F. Paul Wilson

(Wilson usually gets shelved with horror, but for my money, his Repairman Jack novels have more in common with UF than with your average horror novel. Ditto Bennett and Howard.)

And I'm sure that's not a comprehensive list, just the ones I know of and have read. There's no dearth of UF with male protags, if you go looking.
 

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I don't really see why male MC with no major romance is considered so marginal when Jim Butcher seemed to do okay with it, and in first person to boot.
 

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I don't really see why male MC with no major romance is considered so marginal when Jim Butcher seemed to do okay with it, and in first person to boot.

My bookstore puts Jim Butcher in the main SFF section, not the 'dark fantasy' section with the other urban fantasies. And then there are the urban fantasy chats on Twitter, where it often gets assumed that all urban fantasy is romance at the core.

So though I agree that low romance books shouldn't be considered marginal, they are in certain quarters. It's not logical, but the way people split genres often isn't.
 

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My WIP has two male protags (written in close third too) and has them in a contemperary setting, central Texas when they're not in Hell anyway. They're doing their job and there aren't any romantic entanglements planned or anything like that. I've been waffling back and forth on what to consider it too. Urban Fantasy doesn't really feel right. Paranormal Thriller, plain Fantasy, Contemporary Fantasy, I don't know. I haven't been thinking about it too much since I have another 20K words to go on it. Figure I can worry about it once it's done.

I've been enjoying Richard Kadrey and Larry Correia's books, they're also writing male protags in a contemporary setting that includes all kinds of paranormal stuff. You might want to hop on Goodreads and see who there likes similar stuff (who's giving them good reviews) if you want to reach out to readers.

And to answer your question about if I would be interested as a reader, that's a big yes. I always am on the lookout for male protags in paranormals. The authors I've mentioned above had written some of my recent favs. I guess I've gotten a little burnt out on the standard female, first-person MC in UF.

ETA: hello from Seattle, and welcome to AW :)

Hear hear!!! I am SO burned out on the standard female ass-kicking, vampire-screwing, "nobody understands me" MC. My story has a male MC, I actively look for male MC's, and have gotten to the point where I avoid the alternative, unless the blurb suggests something really different.
 
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Hear hear!!! I am SO burned out on the standard female ass-kicking, vampire-screwing, "nobody understands me" MC. My story has a male MC, I actively look for male MC's, and have gotten to the point where I avoid the alternative, unless the blurb suggests something really different.


This.
 

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My bookstore has one section called sci fi/fantasy and puts everything there.

In fact, I can't even think of a store that breaks it down much further than that.
 
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My bookstore has one section called sci fi/fantasy and puts everything there.

In fact, I can't even think of a store that breaks it down much further than that.


Every bookstore I've ever been in only has the one section as well, although the media tie-in novels tend to flock together.
 

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The waterstones near me has SF/Fantasy, then a slightly smaller section called 'dark romance' or something similar to that, which is where all the paranormal romance etc goes.
 
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