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I know there are many people here who have published short stories, hopefully I can get some insight to that side of the writing world, since I know nothing about it really.

1. Can you publish (electronically) short stories apart, or is it best to do them together in a book?

2. If I published short stories, could I make them into full length novels for publication later, same name, characters, etc.?

3. Is it best to try and publish short stories on your own, like with CreateSpace, or are there small presses that do specifically short stories/novellas?

4. Finally, how the hell do I write a short story haha. In all seriousness though, the short stories I used to write in junior high (when I was introduced to writing), my teacher told me I was top of the class and had a natural ability for storytelling, but that I needed to learn the details of writing a short story. Like pace and length.

I know going into detail with writing a short story is a long process, but if someone can list a good book or website that deals with it, then that'd be great. Thanks for any help.
 

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I think you'll probably find more answers to your questions if we head on over to the Short Fiction subform, so I'm gonna move it on over there. :)
 

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I know there are many people here who have published short stories, hopefully I can get some insight to that side of the writing world, since I know nothing about it really.

I am certainly no expert, but I can tell you what I know, or what my experiences have been.

1. Can you publish (electronically) short stories apart, or is it best to do them together in a book?
What do you mean by "publish"? Do you mean self-publishing, or are you looking for actual fiction markets? (Duotrope www.duotrope.com is a handy way to find the latter.) A lot of people here have used smashwords to publish short work; some of these have been never-published-before, some are using it to reprint their out-of-print stories that had previously been published in a more traditional way.

If you want to go straight to ebooks (and this is very much my opinion only that many other folks are sure to disagree with) it would seem to me that unless you have a significant following already or are really good at marketing yourself, the advantage of epubbing your stories individually is that it's much less of a commitment to a reader unfamiliar with your work to shell out $.99 to see if they like your stuff. That said, I think there are some real advantages to going the more traditional route and seeking out markets to buy your work first: 1) it will help you hone your writing skills with direct feedback in a way that's very, very hard to replicate on your own, 2) it gives you the opportunity to build name recognition so that people will be interested in seeking out and buying your work, and 3) there's no reason, after you've sold a story and it's been and gone, that you can't epub it later, whereas once you've epubbed a story a lot of paying markets aren't going to be willing to buy them. Sure, the process of submitting, getting rejected, submitting again, and eventually selling a story can be grueling and disheartening and lengthy. It's also an amazing learning experience, good for your writing, and (right or wrong) has a lot more credibility in a lot of people's eyes.

2. If I published short stories, could I make them into full length novels for publication later, same name, characters, etc.?
Many. many authors have done this, so yeah, totally okay as far as I can tell. As long as it's a substantially different work (which going from a short to a novel pretty much guarantees) I can't imagine any problems there.

3. Is it best to try and publish short stories on your own, like with CreateSpace, or are there small presses that do specifically short stories/novellas?

See Duotrope (mentioned above) or ralan.com (the latter being primarily geared towards genre fiction, so it may or may not be as useful depending on what you write.) The lengths markets take varies widely, but any market you're interested in should have that info in their submission guidelines, which you are going to read anyway before sending them anything.

4. Finally, how the hell do I write a short story haha. In all seriousness though, the short stories I used to write in junior high (when I was introduced to writing), my teacher told me I was top of the class and had a natural ability for storytelling, but that I needed to learn the details of writing a short story. Like pace and length.
There's a sub-forum here on AW for short story writers, and a sub-forum to that called W1S1 which stands for "write 1 sub 1". That challenge may be a bit beyond where you're wanting to be right now (it's a bit beyond me, most of the time) but it's good encouragement if that's one of the things you need. How to write itself is one of those things that everyone you ask will have a different answer, maybe two, and arguably each story may want to be written differently. I'd say the two best things you can do are to, first and foremost, read a lot of short stories. Look at best-of collections or collections by authors you admire, pick up issues of magazines you think you might want to sub to and see what they're actually publishing. Reading is a writer's best friend (even more than caffeine!) The second best thing you can do is just start writing, and keep going until you finish something. Get a good critique group, or use the SYW groups here, and get an objective sense of what your strengths and weaknesses are (a good critter will be very blunt with you about both, so a thick skin is a huge asset) and then work on upping your game. It's a never-ending process of self-improvement, and somewhere along the line, you'll start selling things.

IME, writing short stories and writing novels are very different skills, and a lot of people find that one comes naturally whereas the other does not. That doesn't mean that it's not a worthwhile exercise, but it does mean that if you find yourself getting really frustrated, don't assume that it means you can't write at all.

HTH and good luck,

-Suzanne
 
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Thanks for moving my thread, I actually looked for the short story place, couldn't find it.

I want to get into short stories just because I actually wanted to experience all aspects of writing. I've been told that writing a short story is far off from writing a novel, same pretty much goes for a novella. That's what I've been told anyways.

I'm also interested in writing screenplays, but that's a ways down the line for me for sure. I think. Either way, I'm just trying to have some fun with writing and when I start to take something too seriously, I like to change it up. The novel I'm seeking representation for is starting to get too serious for my liking, so I'm thinking of taking a break and doing something else for fun.

Plus starting a name for myself with short stories, might be what I need. Can I use published short stories (if I get them through a reputable publisher and not self-publishing) as a form of experience when writing a query?
 

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*pops out of the ground all meerkat-like* Did someone say they were looking for places to send short stories?

If so, have i got the sticky for you... Short Fiction Markets

*disappears back into the AW underground tunnel system*
 

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It's a good idea to check Duotrope.com. It gives you experience in the business side of writing and once the rights revert to you, you can still self-publish with an additional payment in your pocket.
 

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Is it best to try and publish short stories on your own, like with CreateSpace, or are there small presses that do specifically short stories/novellas?

Self publishing e-books is pretty easy nowadays, so you can do it yourself. Personally I've found it better to hook up with a good e-publisher and let them do the hard work (preparing all the formats, promotional work, and so). The one I use here in the UK (and I'm happy to recommend) is Greyhart Press, run by Tim Taylor. Pay their site a visit and check it out for yourself.
 

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If you're going to use short story publications to back up a query, then the sales need to be to places the agent you're querying is likely to have heard of. Otherwise they carry no weight.
 

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I'm currently going through the Short Story process (after having written two novels), and it's changing my life. I strongly suggest writing short stories, submitting them to magazines, getting rejected, editting your stories, etc. I am learning so much, and I know that when I return to novels, I'll be much more prepared.

If you can get published in a magazine, then you'll get noticed. You'll have a credit that you can use to get published in other magazines, and to get an agent's attention, and eventually have your novel(s) picked up.

If you self-publish your short-stories, that's fine, but you'd be missing out on some valuable recognition.

Short stories into novels? It happens all the time. I hear it helps in a cover letter to say: "An excerpt of this novel appears in XXXX magazine."

Putting short stories together in a book? According to what I've heard my publisher friend say, it appears to work out that you first get several stories published individually, and then a publisher will probably approach you. If that happens, you can often include some unpublished short stories.

Whatever the case, if you're a natural story teller, just keep writing. It'll happen.
 
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Self publishing e-books is pretty easy nowadays, so you can do it yourself. Personally I've found it better to hook up with a good e-publisher and let them do the hard work (preparing all the formats, promotional work, and so). The one I use here in the UK (and I'm happy to recommend) is Greyhart Press, run by Tim Taylor. Pay their site a visit and check it out for yourself.
I don't see anywhere on Greyhart Press's site that shows how to submit. Can you tell me how to submit to them, and what their guidelines are, if possible.
 

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IMHO, I think you'll learn more about writing short stories by reading a lot of them than by reading how-to books. This has been my experience, anyway.
 
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IMHO, I think you'll learn more about writing short stories by reading a lot of them than by reading how-to books. This has been my experience, anyway.
Both are helpful. I don't think it's an either-or.
 

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IMHO, I think you'll learn more about writing short stories by reading a lot of them than by reading how-to books.

I agree with this. Everyone will have a different list of what to read or where to begin, but here are some authors/collections that I've learned from:

Anton Chekhov
Raymond Carver
Alice Munro
Lorrie Moore
Tim O'Brien (The Things They Carried)
Deborah Eisenberg

Also, have a look at some of the journals and anthologies:
--The "Best American" series
--Also the "Best non-required" series (Dave Eggers, editor)
--The journal, Glimmer Train, is also good. It only publishes fiction and seems to favor the accessible over the experimental.

That said, there are some How-To books that are worth a look. John Gardner's "The Art of Fiction: Notes on Craft for Young Writers" is the classic. "What If" (Bernays and Painter) is great for exercises. And though I've never looked at these, I've noticed that Glimmer Train has put out a series of guides.

Good luck! Keep us posted!
 

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I know there are many people here who have published short stories, hopefully I can get some insight to that side of the writing world, since I know nothing about it really.

1. Can you publish (electronically) short stories apart, or is it best to do them together in a book?

2. If I published short stories, could I make them into full length novels for publication later, same name, characters, etc.?

3. Is it best to try and publish short stories on your own, like with CreateSpace, or are there small presses that do specifically short stories/novellas?

4. Finally, how the hell do I write a short story haha. In all seriousness though, the short stories I used to write in junior high (when I was introduced to writing), my teacher told me I was top of the class and had a natural ability for storytelling, but that I needed to learn the details of writing a short story. Like pace and length.

I know going into detail with writing a short story is a long process, but if someone can list a good book or website that deals with it, then that'd be great. Thanks for any help.
I thought "The 3 O'Clock Epiphany" a wonderful book on writing fiction. It wasn't specific to SS, more to writing scenes and conveying thoughts and moods that way.

It's unclear how much experience you have writing novels, but unless you're well versed in fiction writing I suggest getting into a writing group or taking an online class. You need feedback to get lessons hammered into your head (I don't mean you personally, I mean the average new writer) and the problem is you will get almost no feedback from the rejections. And the rejections will swamp you. An "easy" publication will reject 95% of the stories it receives.

There are several posters who publish stories frequently on this forum, but their advice is likely of less value to you then someone who has just started, or started a few years ago. It's hard, and competitive, and you have to be ready to put in work.

I personally love doing it, but it can get frustrating.
 

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Short stories...

are not easy. To begin with follow the basic rules then when you are getting published regularly you can bend 'em a little,

Short stories need to KISS. That is you need to Keep It Short and Simple. It being the story.

Keep to one or two characters. Keep to a simple plot about one incident. Keep the time frame small. Keep the emotions simple but clear.

Start simply. For example. Pick one moment in your character's life when what they say, do or see is going to dramatically alter what they do afterwards. Show what happens and how the character changes.

Best of Luck!
 

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I've had several short stories published in magazines. It's how I started writing - now I've 'grown up' and moved to starting my first novel. I still have a soft spot for shorts though.
There's a big market out there and lots of websites you can submit to as well (for no money though).
Self publishing an ebook through Amazon kindle store is really easy. I've put a collection of my short stories together and done just that.
Not going to get rich but still, it's nice to see it out there!
Good luck!
 

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The best way to learn about writing short stories is writing short stories.

Nike don't lie.

Getting feedback from other writers during the early stages can also be very helpful. Critique groups are popular for a reason.

General purpose fiction writing books will also have some value but tend not to work so well at the very early stages because authors tend to be blind to how general advice applies to their specific writing. ("I am showing instead of telling!" No, actually, you aren't but you can't properly apply the principle to your own writing yet--you need a critiquer to show you exactly where on your manuscript and then you're ready to absorb the general purpose info on theory.)
 
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